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Offline ibpointless2

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Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« on: November 02, 2011, 07:54:15 PM »
As many may already know I've been working on crystal cells that are really something. It started off when I was working on Bedini crystal cells and such but I started to branch off on my types of cells. So far I have 2 good cells, the Crystal Glue Cell and the Stove top cell.

I have found with the right mix of crystals you can make a battery like device that powers loads. The Stove cell has is being tested by Lidmotor with his penny oscillator and has been running for over 2 months now. The crystal glue cell is a cell that will recharge itself to its original voltage when left alone. I know some of the claims will be crazy but I'll offer videos for you to watch and give you the ingredients so you can make your own conclusions. The hardest thing to swallow about these cells is there lack of water. I believe that water has been the reason why galvanic cells die, so if you use no water you cells should last for a long time.

The crystal glue cells is Elmer's glue, salt substitute, Epsom salt with copper and magnesium electrodes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ngFfU1hHyM

The stove top cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWATxAJooE
or Lidmotor's way
http://youtu.be/8t8hurXyp1E


I've been through the ringer with these cells. Many people believe that these cells still use water due to the glue and/or the Epsom salt. here's a video proving that the cells don't use water to run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-CiuuSP8Y

Heres a video of it powering a LED
http://youtu.be/ufflp77mcWE

Here's a video of it powering a LCD clock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgs7CIBVgY

Check out my channel on YouTube for more videos on these Cells. Let me know what you guys think.

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Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« on: November 02, 2011, 07:54:15 PM »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 10:09:26 PM »
I am testing a crystal cell right now.  I have a live streaming video of it running a motor on my website home page.  It just keeps going day after day.  Here's the link: http://laserhacker.com/

These kind of cells really work great!

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 01:54:46 AM »
 Great to see you both here. I too am gonna be doing this extensively. Just got to get a few more things and I will be doing the experiments as well.

 One thing I'm gonna be doing is trying to see if geometry of the design has anything to do with the capabilities of these batteries. Most of my experiments will be centered around the cylindrical batteries.

 The mix I'll be tinkering with will be the borax type as I think this is gonna be the best results.

 @IB could we get some more info on the big battery you have been experimenting with just to be clear what is working well?

 Has anyone checked to see what the difference in the metals you are using, ie. weight of each electrode and the ratio to each other? I'm thinking something in the mass in each different metals is causing an imbalance. I believe this is where it is getting it's initial potential difference to setup the crystal matrix in=side of the cell. 1 gram of each metal will be different in charge I'm betting. If we delicately balance the electrodes we might get a better reaction of the cells output. This should be studied as well!

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 02:52:40 AM »
I am testing a crystal cell right now.  I have a live streaming video of it running a motor on my website home page.  It just keeps going day after day.  Here's the link: http://laserhacker.com/

These kind of cells really work great!



What crystal cell are you using?


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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 03:20:03 AM »
Great to see you both here. I too am gonna be doing this extensively. Just got to get a few more things and I will be doing the experiments as well.

 One thing I'm gonna be doing is trying to see if geometry of the design has anything to do with the capabilities of these batteries. Most of my experiments will be centered around the cylindrical batteries.

 The mix I'll be tinkering with will be the borax type as I think this is gonna be the best results.

 @IB could we get some more info on the big battery you have been experimenting with just to be clear what is working well?

 Has anyone checked to see what the difference in the metals you are using, ie. weight of each electrode and the ratio to each other? I'm thinking something in the mass in each different metals is causing an imbalance. I believe this is where it is getting it's initial potential difference to setup the crystal matrix in=side of the cell. 1 gram of each metal will be different in charge I'm betting. If we delicately balance the electrodes we might get a better reaction of the cells output. This should be studied as well!


The big Crystal cell is just Elmer's glue, salt substitute, and Epsom salt with copper tube and a lot of magnesium ribbon. The key to the power is to use both sides of the magnesium ribbon, you must think in three dimensions. I'm working on a way to simplify it and then i'll make a how to video on how to make this cell and even bigger ones. The crystal glue cell (the big blue one and others) and the Stove top cells (the one that runs Lidmotor penny oscillator) are the ones that are doing good. I may have a new crystal cell (Elmers glue, Cream of tartar, Epsom salt, and Salt substitute) that i'm testing out.

I don't think weight of the metal is important. The amount of metal touching the crystal is important. This why John Bedini likes using the star shape, it gives him the most surface area.

From my experiences with these cells I've found that Borax would super charge the cells, but it came at a price. Some but not all of the cells that had borax would never fully recharge back to the original voltage. The borax can be a hit or miss, but if used right it can make a powerful cell.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 04:35:14 PM »

The big Crystal cell is just Elmer's glue, salt substitute, and Epsom salt with copper tube and a lot of magnesium ribbon. The key to the power is to use both sides of the magnesium ribbon, you must think in three dimensions. I'm working on a way to simplify it and then i'll make a how to video on how to make this cell and even bigger ones. The crystal glue cell (the big blue one and others) and the Stove top cells (the one that runs Lidmotor penny oscillator) are the ones that are doing good. I may have a new crystal cell (Elmers glue, Cream of tartar, Epsom salt, and Salt substitute) that i'm testing out.

I don't think weight of the metal is important. The amount of metal touching the crystal is important. This why John Bedini likes using the star shape, it gives him the most surface area.

From my experiences with these cells I've found that Borax would super charge the cells, but it came at a price. Some but not all of the cells that had borax would never fully recharge back to the original voltage. The borax can be a hit or miss, but if used right it can make a powerful cell.

 Woo hoo I can post again!

 I agree that if one was to use the entire potential from all around the magnesium then you would have a stranger potential.

 I am thinking the boron in the borax is the super charger element for the crystal structure.

 I think the mass and density is also very important. The more mass the more charge that is contained in the matter. Also I believe different layers of metals tend to focus the internal potential into tighter configurations. Think of it like cheese cloth of different pore sizes. The internal metal would be less dense then the external metal that was plated onto it. This would tend to split the potential into a finer structure and have a better, tighter filter to present to the medium of the crystalline structure. This should only be done to the external electrode and only to the presenting side or inner facing surface that the crystal is exposed to. The external surface would be better off left as magnesium. One method that I have seen work well is to use an oxide to coat the electrode. I am assuming this should only be for the contact area of the crystalline medium so that the exposed surface can access the environmental charges and pass them into the compression area of the crystalline structure.

 The price of this borax substance is water and it's ability to dissolve the metal. The oxide layer is good for protecting the electrodes so that will eliminate erosion of the metal. As for the ability to hold the potential up under load I am thinking this is a mixture problem. If the structure has too many holes it will become weaker. The mixture is mean to fill the holes.

 Seeing that carbon is being used as an electrode proves to me it is not the matter that is responsible for the flow of current. It is geometry of the surface areas of the structure of crystals and the geometry we can get out of these cells. The metal is merely aligning the structure into a tighter and tighter configuration all flowing twords the center electrode.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 06:56:16 PM »
 There is a relation to the size of the cell and its ability to produce and store an output, and especially of a current of more than just a few mAs.
That is why the higher farad capacitors are made much bigger than the lower farads one. If they could get the same output, they would be making the bigger and stronger ones, small also.
   But the idea of using both sides of the negative electrode to further increase the output is of interest.
  I have made cells similar to Ib's last larger blue cell, although not using the salts electrolyte, yet.   By placing several winds of cathode electrode wire in series on the same copper tube, the output voltage can be raised to several volts, that can light several white leds, with no oscillator needed.
 This is in relation to the number of coils windings that are placed on just that one single copper tube. When placed in parallel higher current can also be obtained. As that system works both in series, as well as when placed in parallel. But, I am very interested in the use of a dry sealed electrolyte, instead of the using a wet paper towel.
  It is also a bit strange that little output was obtained by Ib when he used the same mix on the flat 4" cu/mg  plates. This I don't understand, as I do get some voltage even with my set up, (pictured below).
  My table salt glue cell in now incased in a metal holder, and is still working after about 3 months time. So, even just using regular salt does work, too, raw sea salt has more minerals and would probably work better yet.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 08:59:48 PM »
There is a relation to the size of the cell and its ability to produce and store an output, and especially of a current of more than just a few mAs.
That is why the higher farad capacitors are made much bigger than the lower farads one. If they could get the same output, they would be making the bigger and stronger ones, small also.
   But the idea of using both sides of the negative electrode to further increase the output is of interest.
  I have made cells similar to Ib's last larger blue cell, although not using the salts electrolyte, yet.   By placing several winds of cathode electrode wire in series on the same copper tube, the output voltage can be raised to several volts, that can light several white leds, with no oscillator needed.
 This is in relation to the number of coils windings that are placed on just that one single copper tube. When placed in parallel higher current can also be obtained. As that system works both in series, as well as when placed in parallel. But, I am very interested in the use of a dry sealed electrolyte, instead of the using a wet paper towel.
  It is also a bit strange that little output was obtained by Ib when he used the same mix on the flat 4" cu/mg  plates. This I don't understand, as I do get some voltage even with my set up, (pictured below).
  My table salt glue cell in now incased in a metal holder, and is still working after about 3 months time. So, even just using regular salt does work, too, raw sea salt has more minerals and would probably work better yet.

 Right nick it is just a fancy transformer. With one single wrap to many outer wraps. The medium of induction is actually the crystal lattice. In the action of the induction it focuses the charges and raises the potential. The material of the electrode merely provides the bias to open the channel (diode). Size may not be an issue if the lattice is able to hold it's form. The problem is that we are using soft crystalline material. The fix would be to use a harder lattice with the perfect lattice being a diamond.

 The other issue you mentioned flat versus concentric. I mentioned this before. Round will always be better. This is because the lattice will compress itself as it grows. This allows a better induction path, closer having more effect. In using the heating and cooling phase transitions we are letting the material cool from the outside twords the inner electrode. This creates a focus.

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 01:13:48 AM »
  You may be right about it acting as a transformer.  I did see a video where a  guy obtained a nice output with only a just few wraps of mg ribbon, over the solid copper core.. So, more tests are needed. There is some hidden magic there...
  I had a thought about making my own large toroid core made out of carbon, (inside a toroid shaped mold), then after removing the core from the mold, winding aluminum or mag wire around it.  I'll probably make a smaller version, like a two or three inch carbon toroid first.  It has to work, but how well is the question. I have a feeling that it would work very well, with low impedance, and a higher running output, conserving its output levels instead of dissipating them, as the flat plates may do. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2011, 03:15:22 AM »
Crystal Cell powering a pulse motor

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2011, 03:57:02 AM »
  Can you connect it to a red led, instead? 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 06:07:35 PM »
  You may be right about it acting as a transformer.  I did see a video where a  guy obtained a nice output with only a just few wraps of mg ribbon, over the solid copper core.. So, more tests are needed. There is some hidden magic there...
  I had a thought about making my own large toroid core made out of carbon, (inside a toroid shaped mold), then after removing the core from the mold, winding aluminum or mag wire around it.  I'll probably make a smaller version, like a two or three inch carbon toroid first.  It has to work, but how well is the question. I have a feeling that it would work very well, with low impedance, and a higher running output, conserving its output levels instead of dissipating them, as the flat plates may do.

 Just remember the crystals are the magic here. They both protect the metals and conduct via the sheets that form the crystals structure. You can think of this process like this: The nozzle on a hose.

 I had more time to think about the main differences between IB's battery and John's. IB uses induction in the form of a spiral around the target large formed electrode. This will amplify by itself just from the induction alone. When you add a crystal focus-er on top of that it increases the voltage and indirectly the current or flow. Remember the hose analogy. The one thing that allows this to happen is that we are using charges instead of our current electricity. Charges are like little self contained units and they are being fired at the copper inner electrode which converts that to electrical impulses. The gun like action being the crystalline structure it has to pass through. The external coil of magnesium is the collector from the environment and it is a coil after all and that raises the potential of the magnesium in a big way when compared to the inner electrode.

 I'm starting to wonder if these crystalline structures are solid at all? It seems to me that they are built via little flakes that are triangular in shape as the sheets form and stack. It leads me to believe they are made entirely like a house of cards would be made. This would also explain the ability of some crystals to have piezo electric abilities or vibratory movement in either direction. This event is nothing more then charges being sucked into the structures base then squeezed out the tips. Hence why I called them charge pumps. The charges can flow easily one way but not the other way. This is the diode like action we are seeing and the forced output we are seeing when we bias the diode to flow with the electrodes and just the base potential of the electrodes in ambient space. This also proves why some of them need to be bumped open or biased on by an external charge source when different materials are used for the crystalline matrix. We need to start thinking of another component we could squeeze into the structure to improve the flow of charges through the structure. With current mixed that use borax I believe that is handled by Boron. This is the same stuff that we use to increase the magnetic properties of magnets and it's shape is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icosahedra . Notice the triangular sheets that form the shape.

 More on Platonic Solids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid

 This is some very esoteric and age old stuff here. When we are talking about Plato that is pretty old. There is something to this stuff so read it all please, it will help immensely!

 Some interesting views as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Shechtman

 When I started to look into crystals and the why water freezes into the structures it does I found this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallization

 I think we need to pay attention to the cooling rate and crystal formations we are trying to setup here in order to obtain the best formations to channel more current.

 Well my chems are here. Now for the metals. Copper is easy to get but magnesium might be tricky. Some have reported getting magnesium from home depot? Is that true? What was the packaging like? Did it have anything in particular that I might find it easier?

 Chems list:

 Borax
 Nu-Salt: Potassium chloride, 1% cream of tartar & silicon doixide
 McCormics Alum
 Coarse crystal Sea Salt
 Epsom Salt
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 12:47:25 AM »
@jbignes5

The best way to get magnesium is through Ebay.com.
Here's a link to it

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1311&_nkw=magnesium+ribbon&_sacat=See-All-Categories


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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 12:54:26 AM »
 
   
   I don't use salts, nor have I needed them, as they are the cause of the oxidation, along with the water that it takes to keep them working. Dry salts don't create any voltage, they need water. Salts are not protecting the metals, it is the semiconductor layer, or the glue that is not allowing the air or moisture in.
  Ib has made a very unusual cell, which traps the water in the cell, something that John Hutchinson may have come up with originally.  But it was Ibs use of the glue, and salt substitute that makes the difference, on the current cells.  His newest cell is a replication of what we are now calling the Lasersaber Cell, as it was his design, I believe.  However we still don't know what Ib's version  (the Blue cell) will produce, as far as the long term running output levels.  As his current levels up to now have been very low,  but when you have 50mAs or higher, like my cell produce, even without the use of salts, then that may be a different thing. Time will tell, but so far his unique methods seams to be working very well. And even Lasersaber likes what Ib has done with his design.
  I have not used his mix, other than to make a table salt cell, which is still working after some months. As I can still get a decent output just by using carbon and aluminum, and yes the quartz crystals.   But, the semiconductor cell like John Bedini or Marcus Reid are working on, is something else again. Hopefully we can develop that into being a real work horse, also.

   The potential difference of the two different metals, or of the carbon which conducts better than any metal will create a voltage, and a current. This not due to the carbon or to the two different metals, or the use of salts, but because of the field energies that surround them, the ambient energies. That is where the magic lies, for me, and how to makes cells that can tap that source.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2011, 01:24:28 AM »
 
   
   I don't use salts, nor have I needed them, as they are the cause of the oxidation, along with the water that it takes to keep them working. Dry salts don't create any voltage, they need water. Salts are not protecting the metals, it is the semiconductor layer, or the glue that is not allowing the air or moisture in.
  Ib has made a very unusual cell, which traps the water in the cell, something that John Hutchinson may have come up with originally.  But it was Ibs use of the glue, and salt substitute that makes the difference, on the current cells.  His newest cell is a replication of what we are now calling the Lasersaber Cell, as it was his design, I believe.  However we still don't know what Ib's version  (the Blue cell) will produce, as far as the long term running output levels.  As his current levels up to now have been very low,  but when you have 50mAs or higher, like my cell produce, even without the use of salts, then that may be a different thing. Time will tell, but so far his unique methods seams to be working very well. And even Lasersaber likes what Ib has done with his design.
  I have not used his mix, other than to make a table salt cell, which is still working after some months. As I can still get a decent output just by using carbon and aluminum, and yes the quartz crystals.   But, the semiconductor cell like John Bedini or Marcus Reid are working on, is something else again. Hopefully we can develop that into being a real work horse, also.

   The potential difference of the two different metals, or of the carbon which conducts better than any metal will create a voltage, and a current. This not due to the carbon or to the two different metals, or the use of salts, but because of the field energies that surround them, the ambient energies. That is where the magic lies, for me, and how to makes cells that can tap that source.


I would like for you to prove to me how water is trapped in my cells.

The very reason why my the glue cell work is not due to the glue or the water that's in the glue. You can make my cells without the glue. The biggest reason why my glue cell works is due to Salt substitute and Epsom salt together mixing as one crystal, you can't just use one of the salts you need both or it will produce very weak and useless cells.

I've done countless testing on the glue cells. Do you how I know that my cells don't have water? One way I've found out is that if you have 5 grams of glue and let it dry it drops to 2 grams, which means that 3 grams of Elmer's glue is water. I use that ratio when making a cells, this is how I know a cell is dry. Also if you have ever made the actual crystal glue cell you would notice that it will reject all the water that's in it when you mix the salt substitute and Epsom salt. Its not the salts that cause oxidation its the water. To say that water is trapped in my cell is flawed because if water was still trapped in the glue then there would be no need for the salts or better yet since Epsom salt has 7 water molecules i could just use Epsom salt and Elmer's glue but it doesn't work that way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-CiuuSP8Y

What makes the Crystal glue cell so special is that no water is needed for it to run. Water is the reason why cells die and that is because water is the universal solvent ( can destroy anything). Avoid water and you get a cell that last for a long time. This is what makes Bedini's cells flawed, he needs water to make them run. There is no semi-conductor action in Bedini's carbonate crystal cells, its a very fancy galvanic battery. In-fact bedini carbonate crystal cells cells have been done before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrQAT9z0ASI

John Hutchinson is either a fake or not telling us something. Marcus Reid won't tell us nothing so who knows? This whole semi-conductor thing has gotten a little out of hand, What powers most everyone's cells is a galvanic reaction due to the water. If you cells still works after its been dried for a week, been spray painted fully and still has its original voltage after a month then you have a real crystal cells and not a galvanic battery.





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