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Title: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:13:38 PM
here is the cell I am building
its a cell that realy splits water in to its 2 components
hydrogen and separated oxygen
so it has 2 entry's and 2 exit's
this the cell to use if you finally want to be rid oof that stupic efie or map enhancer
beceause there is no oxygen any more to deal with
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:18:01 PM
this is how a cell like this is setup
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:21:21 PM
this is the active plate
I use only active plates beceause off my regulator that can not handel neutral plates
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
this is the gasket that I use to separate the gasses
and the plates
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
this is the membrane that makes splitting water in to H2 and O  possible
it is made off nylon fabric
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
this is the and and front plate
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
here is a video on how the cell works
http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p211 (http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p211)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:33:22 PM
here is a video on how i can lit the hydrogen with no oxygen
http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p207 (http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p207)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:35:55 PM
here is a video on prooving
that the gas I make is realy H2 and not hho
it does not explode like hho
http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p209 (http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p209)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 16, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
this is a video on me making the 2nd cell
http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p208 (http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20&start=10#p208)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: jason362 on September 17, 2011, 08:39:38 AM
Chack this site http://www.hho-research.com.au/
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 09:46:38 AM
the problem with them is you can't buy nothing from them if you are not living in austalia
so that is why I start building them myself
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: jason362 on September 17, 2011, 04:10:30 PM
I did notice that, I was not sure if you knew about it. I think this is the ideal set up. Are you manufacturing these units for sale? If so I'm ready to purchase. I'm no engineer but I think the secret in running an engine on hydrogen is in precission injection controlled by Throttle or RPM. I was thinking "compression" and after reading of the volatility of compressed HHO I started searching for a unit that produces the Gasses seperately which will facilitate compression. What are your thoughts on this? 
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on September 17, 2011, 04:23:36 PM
Good work so far Hydrogen... I see they use titanium plates to up the input.  Have you seen if you can get some of those plates and see how much better they are then the stainless?
Mark
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
jason362
yep I am trying to make it possible to sell them
and I am trying to make them as cheap as research in australia does
so for something like 350euros, complete
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 04:59:39 PM
jason362
I to wanted to try to compress  the hydrogen and beceause you can not compress HHO
I wanted also something better and as you can see in my videos I make real hydrogen with no oxygen mixt in the hydrogen
so yes I also thought on having a tank to fill up to 250 bar and then see how far I can get my diesel to be more efficient,so I can calculate how big a cell I would need to run it on demand
butt I also think that It is very much possible to run a benzine car totally on pure hydrogen beceause you dont need an efie or map enhancer any more beceause there is no oxygen
and therefor the engine is gonne run perfect like it would be on lpg
and I try'd this with my electric generator I put some H2 in a big balloon and let the engine run and this workt far better than on hho
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 05:03:08 PM
he mark69
I now to that titanium would be far better then 316L butt
the cost and the way to cutt it leaves me till now no choice butt to use 316L
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on September 17, 2011, 05:07:32 PM
thanks, you can probably add more stainless steel plates to equal output of the titanium ones for less.  Also, have you looked into fueling a home furnace with the hydrogen to replace natural gas/propane?  I would like to be able to do that as it would save $200 a month in heating costs in the winter months.
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
he mark69
I've been working on that central heating on pure hydrogen to
see my website for some infohttp://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13 (http://www.hydrogenpower.be/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on September 17, 2011, 05:32:41 PM
Hi Bruno, yeah, I saw some of those videos before.  I am betting your pure hydrogen is going to be a lot better.  I am looking forward to any progress you make...
Mark
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 17, 2011, 05:49:45 PM
he mark
I am setting up a test place now in my atelier with a old central heating
that I so far did not make a change to beceause I am thinking I don't gonna have to when I dont use oxygen
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Hope on September 17, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1PfmTheFM&feature=autoplay&list=ULHx7aWaPbBo4&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx7aWaPbBo4&feature=bf_prev&list=UL4l1PfmTheFM&lf=mfu_in_order

This will to make your hho separator perk with a high degree of efficiency.  Email me or see around page 54 of Gabriel Device for schematics on it.

Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: jason362 on September 17, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
Congratulations by the way. This is a significant development, don't doubt it. I was about to try to get somebody in Australia to receive and forward one of those units for me. (a freight forwarder or a sky box address or something) I want to start my project ASAP so keep me informed of your progress. 
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on September 18, 2011, 01:34:38 AM
Bruno,

Excellent, keeps us informed of the progress.  I thought the valve outlet needs to be smaller for hydrogen vs nat. gas/ propane, but if I were you, I know there are some vids out there talking about this, see if they changed anything.
Mark
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: jikwan on September 18, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
this is a massive development

well done bruno!

can anyone build one using your design, or
maybe its patented already?
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 18, 2011, 08:56:13 AM
its developed by a company in australia
butt they dont sell outside australia
so thats why I started to make them myself
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Cherryman on September 18, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
Hello Hydrogen,

What will be your power-supply?

You use a PWM or straight 12V from the battery, pulses? 

Good work!

Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 18, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
I use a special design dc to dc converter that only works with hydrogen generators that have no neutrals
so my setup is +-+-+-+- and so on
this converter makes from 12 volt battery 5 volt and just uses 10 amps from the battery
while delivering 30 amps to the cell and this works real good

I got it from ebay http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200606676556&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200606676556&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

here is a video on what it does
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-xHsNEEig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-xHsNEEig)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2011, 02:35:23 PM
www.hydrogenpower.be

Sir Have you tried to burn your "Gas" in an oxygen free evironment?
Inside a balloon  {spark no flame}?

I have to admit I only know of one reason to seperate Hydrogen gas......
                   Storage!
Are there other claims from the Austrailian company??
Can production exceed Faraday??
Can you post a link to the Company?
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 18, 2011, 02:55:58 PM
the major reason for to have hydrogen pure is to rool out the efie or mapenhancer in your car
if some oxygen bubbles get to the hydrogen that wont be a problem
for the car butt for storage it is a different storry
butt stil I am gonna try the test to lit inside a hydrogen filled balloon
to see the difference

come visit my website www.hydrogenpower.be (http://www.hydrogenpower.be)
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
Sir
as you know if you are truly making straight hydrogen your balloon  will have no reaction to the spark inside!
Note: Not sure about the KOH and combustion?

What do you have on diesel engines and your fuel??

Thank you
Chet
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on September 18, 2011, 08:28:21 PM
I have a diesel and as soon as I get the numbers you'll now
I am still building my 2nd cell with 10 plates and 19-09-2011 I get my controler
so patience my friend
about the KOH It will not be taken in to the process off making hydrogen
my way I use reversed osmose water made from rain water
this is the most clean water on the planet
I try'd simple deminaralised water butt no dice.
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
Thank you so much for sharing,looking forward to your future posts!!

Chet
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on November 11, 2011, 01:23:01 AM
Any updates on your setup on a diesel engine??

Mark
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 10, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
no probebly I will try first to get my central heating and electric generator to run



Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 10, 2012, 05:07:47 PM
hi everyone[/size]my again ,so I still wanted to get my cell working without any catalist so no KOH or somthing elsewel the law says you gonna need to overcome a magnetic feeld that there is holding the 2 parts off hydrogen and 1 part off oxygen together so you gonna need to apply a electrical magnetic feeld to the h2ocaled electrolisation only problem is h2o out off its one does not conduct electricityso normaly to make it easy we apply some KOHand there we have it a cell that runs hot ,does not produce enough , after a while dont produce at all any more ,so all kinds off problems related to making the water better conduct electricitynow when they first started to do electrolesys back in 1600they did not have 12 volt like we do now before tesla there was no ACso it was very difficoult to make a specific DC voltagethey used High voltage beceause for them it was easy to come bymost sources did this standardso they used a voltage like 2000 v DCnow these days that has become a difficoult voltage to come bybutt I did it anyway so here is a scematic for a 2250 volt DCpowersurply that will give you 10 ampsnot milliamps but AMPSnow there is one more thing when using High voltage there is mostly no high current so you can split the water just by a few amps and won't need big amps

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Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 10, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
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Post by: Mark69 on August 10, 2012, 07:11:19 PM
keep up the good work Bruno  :D
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 10, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
dont worry I  do know what I am doing


this is exually a very dangerous stunt butt non the less


off great importance


if this works  and I can collect  some usefull data


then I can start to make a more easy high voltage generator
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 10, 2012, 09:08:12 PM
also I wont be putting the voltage off 220volt


all at ones to it I have a mechanic controler


so nothing to dangerous at ones


this way I can ceep an eye on the meters while turning the knob
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: TinselKoala on August 10, 2012, 11:07:13 PM
You be carefull with that now

Yep.

This setup sounds to me like an accident looking for a place to happen. The charged caps can kill; the hydrogen can explode; there are multiple exciting failure pathways here.



I've had a couple of PMs on my YT channel from hydrogenpower.be. Please, please be careful and tell somebody close by to keep an eye on you during your experiments just for safety's sake. Wear safety glasses !

If you use high currents you will be _boiling_ the water instead of electrolysing it; your volume measurements will be contaminated by the presence of steam in your output gas flow. This boiling will happen between the plates of your electrolyzer and doesn't require the entire mass of water to be very hot at all.

Please take videos of all your experiments, so that there will be a "forensic record". I hope you can find all the pieces.....

 :P
Title: so here is the video
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on August 11, 2012, 06:38:31 PM
it does not tel much but he I am not that good in making a film


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zapyD_sjIDM
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on November 10, 2014, 07:39:58 AM
dear users
I want to give It a other try
not that it didnt work
its just that last year I've gotten in to 3d printing
and sinds this year there is a filament on the market that is rubber like
that makes it posible to make my own gaskets the way I want to
so that I can rule out that the membranes touch the plates and oxygen leakt to the hydrogen
also I've stumbelt up on a device that does the resonant part on it's own
so more hydrogen less current more kilometers
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: Mark69 on November 10, 2014, 02:55:19 PM
Looking forward to success  :D
Title: Re: Making H2 not hho with the www.hydrogenpower.be cell
Post by: www.hydrogenpower.be on April 27, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
hi dudes
so after some dealing with that 3d printers yes there's 2 off them one normal 20cm cube
and one 40cm cube so i can print realy big things like
the thing I designd the other day
its a peace that stops the membrane from contacting the plates
this way there is no more hydrogen in the oxygen and visa versa
if any one want to try this I can draw you one and post it or mail it