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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2011, 12:32:40 AM »
So for this flux capacitor thingy I am using a capacitive divider to split the voltage and make for a pos and neg pulse through the thing, well I have been trying real hard to get the brushes set exactly the same but I guess I am not close enough because I keep getting one cap taking 2\3 of the charge and the other one taking 1\3, Franken Motor did that as well,, strange, what is even stranger is that when I even the charge on the caps the motor slows down and almost stops, once there is an imbalance it goes nice and steady.

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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2011, 09:47:43 PM »
I am still getting an occasional large arc across the brushes, I am not running with any recovery at this point, it is setup with recovery diodes but they do not seem to do much, when I measure voltage going through them it is about .8V so I pulled them out of the circuit.  Running the way it is now I get a varying voltage across the two drive caps that goes from what I think is real value all the way up to 85V, resting voltage is 42.9V and my other meter shows fluctuations on the bar but the numbers stay at about 42.6V, so I think that I am getting a very short high voltage spike from somewhere.

Today it has stated to occasionally tweak with my DMM, sending some kind of charge back through it and scrambles my readout, I am using it to watch the amps which happen to be 2.5mA.

While watching the arcs it looks like the arc sometimes happens within the turns I have for my brushes, I wrap the brush wire around something small to make like a mini coil so that I have a nice smooth contact, and today with the addition of a series added small cap both brushes arc most of the time where as without it only one would arc.

Spacing the coil away from the rotor helps in rotation, I am trying to keep the coil just at the point where the rotor magnet is stronger than the held field value.  Timing is something I need to work on still.


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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2011, 11:15:14 PM »
just for giggles I tried using a regular coil in place of my coils, I am running with two in series, and I could not get up to the same RPM nor down to the same draw, and while holding the coil I noticed the "pulse" hit from the regular coil and I do not get anything like that out of my coils, all I feel is the attractive moment.

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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2011, 08:21:01 PM »
I use this as my divider, this makes it easy to send a positive and then a negative pulse into my load and allow for recovery.

I do not allways use the recovery diodes nor do I usually use the small cap in the center tap run, but sometimes it helps.


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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2011, 11:54:05 PM »
Just another pointless test,  My source voltage with no load is 40.3V, I have a .1mA draw coming from the caps so it is not really no load but right now it is running at about 30RPM and my meter is showing a draw of .4mA and the cap voltage is running most of the time just above 40.3V

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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2011, 06:44:00 PM »
I am going to be taking a break from playing with this, I came up with something different and I promised a buddy of mine that he could run with any of my ideas if he wanted, and he wants to run with this one.

I need to build a better testbed, well more like a prototype and let him run with it for a while, if he decides to not do anything with it I will post it.

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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2011, 05:38:47 PM »
So far things are looking very good, the testbed\prototype is coming along nicely.

What I am trying to do is to place a volume of water into the bottom of a column of water for almost no input from me in a fashion that is repeatable, over and over and over, and the amount of input I put in is the same regardless of the height of the water column.

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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2011, 12:02:16 AM »
The testbed is starting to look better, I did the first water transfer test today and the basic system of transfer works, now to make something to take the higher water and convert it into mechanical force and close the loop.

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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2011, 05:17:45 PM »
Well the first water wheel I tried to make was a disaster, I ended up making the wheel to large in diameter and the chambers to small in volume, it was good practice however and I am not sure if I will make another wheel or make a belt-o-buckets instead.

Reduced the mass of the moving parts to make it easier and lighter and therefore able to hold up a little longer with the parts I am using to make it.

I am still working on getting things just right, things like the seals and masses and stuff like that, right now my main seals are way to leaky and I need to use a slightly higher cycle rate to get the amount of water moved that I would like to see but with that being what it is I have to expend twice the energy to lift the mass of water 3 inches and that is the same cost when the main tank is empty or when it is full, full is 27 inches up, so for 6 inches equivalent lift I can have the water fall from 27 inches, well 23 if you take the height of the lower reservoir away from the lift.

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« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2011, 04:35:27 AM »
I ran a small incomplete test of the pump today.  Using an underrated motor I was supplying just over 7 watts to run at full speed and have the discharge pipe intake end submerged in water and flowing strong.  I also took a standard water pump rated at 11 watts and placed it in the reservoir and ran its pipe up and over and into the garbage can, it could barley get the water up there to start with and the volume was not much more than a trickle, even if you doubled the amount of water it was able to pump it would not match what my system can do.

I might say more but connection issues are annoying

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« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2011, 08:15:58 PM »
I know I have not updated my progress very well, and well without being able to say how I am doing it I can say that things are getting better all the time :)

Life has got in the way this past few weeks of me making any further progress, sometimes we all need to make some money to pay the bills.

I was thinking about the Hendershot unit, and well when I was playing with that many years ago there was a nagging question I kept coming back to, and it was this:

Why would a person who has a fair amount of knowledge and ability in electrical things need to pull apart a cap and rewind it, wouldn't he just be able to use existing stuff to make the cap value he needed?

I could not think of a reasonable answer to that so I could only conclude that the cap was the component that made his system work and I then started to try different setups with cap plates and ended up making the observations I did, those were that the cap could be setup to be much more than just a cap.

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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2011, 10:16:20 PM »
Waiting for parts has given me a small window of time to play with something completely different.  What I am playing with is an over balance wheel using buoyancy but in a slightly different way.

I have no practical hands on experience with this so I could just be missing something totally obvious.

The thought: displaced water takes the same amount of "weight" as the water you are displacing, so if I drop a 1 pound weight on top of some water and it has a mass density just greater than the water I will be able to lift the same "weight" of water over the mass I introduced, this thought also works backwards.

I have an 18 inch long plastic tube and I sealed both ends, placed it in a tank of water and added weight to it until it just sunk, cut the tube in half and placed the same amount of weight in the middle section in as short of a length as I could, so now I have a hollow plastic tube 18 inches long that is just slightly negatively buoyant, I placed that inside another plastic pipe and attached a string through the center of both pipes that had a 1 inch slack, that makes the inner tube able to move 2 inches, filled the outer pipe to inner pipe space with water, capped both ends of the outer pipe then attached that to an axle.

So,, with this setup this way my thoughts are that the mass used to displace the water is falling the same distance as I am moving the water and should be about the same amount of "weight" as the water BUT the mass falls to a 1 inch lever arm value from the axle, hence the string, and the water moves out to a 9 inch value from the axle so I am trying to answer the question of is the water mass out at the end enough to lift the force mass in at the center.  Another way of looking at what I am thinking is that the hollow pipe inside the outside pipe moves the water to the upside end making the bottom pipe have a lower mass density than the upper end.

So I gave the thing a slight push and it spun, well it actually spun for a long time, about the same amount of time it spun when everything was level so the next step was to remove the water and try again, well it did not spin for very long at all it only made about 3 revolutions with me pushing it much much harder... this is interesting.


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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2011, 06:12:05 PM »
Still just messing around and working.

So I asked myself a simple question:

When is something buoyant?

The answer seems to be more than just when it has a lower mass density than the medium it is in, it is more because the medium and the float need to be in contact as such that the float can see and interact with the pressure difference below and above itself,, nothing new there right?

Now take a float or a boat and release a bubble of air underneath it, what happens? the bubble rises and the instant the bubble contacts the bottom of the device it sinks down to the bottom of the bubble, again not much new there, but what if the bubble fell with the device, or if it was created just in front of the device?? so now my questioned changed a little bit to:

How can I create an air bubble in the middle of water without pumping any air?

Cavitation, maybe with the use of a piezo electric speaker setup just in front of cone shaped float so that the bubbles can run up the float and allow the float to fall down into the bubble stream.

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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2011, 10:15:51 PM »
A thought.

If you have a large donut shaped wheel with the inside of the donut being hollow and you have a cylinder with piston inserted into the wheel so that the bottom of the cylinder is inside the hollow space of the wheel and the piston is exposed to the outside, at the base of the cylinder you have a spring setup so that when the piston is pushed into the wheel it compresses the spring and you have a latch that will hold the spring in the compressed position until you want to release it, and all the insides of the cylinders are exposed to each other and the hollow chamber of the wheel.  Take this wheel and place it into a large container of water in the vertical position so that you can rotate the wheel and take a piston\cylinder assembly from the top of the water to the bottom of the water and the spring is calibrated so that the water pressure is just enough to compress the spring, then latched you continue to rotate the wheel until the cylinder is up at the top, then you can use the spring force to do something for you.

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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2011, 01:11:39 AM »
Well I am sort of back working on the pump system,, I am a little miffed as it seems I have managed to set it up to pump air into the bottom of the water column for no increase in my input, well none that I cam measure, and I thought that I was setting it up for water?  hate it when I do that, now I need to re-do a few of the parts.


Hey! that IS what test beds are all about,, right?

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