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Offline webby1

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simple things
« on: July 17, 2011, 10:48:46 AM »
Simple things are very educational.

Take a stack of magnets 6 inches long, secure them together, now take another stack of magnets 6 inches long and secure them together.  When you take one stack and allow it to come very close to the other in attractive mode the local area field effect is reduced\removed.  This reduction will allow you to insert or remove another magnetic stack, making sure that the stack is long enough so that the tails do not get in the way.

This is a very simple magnetic gate assembly, one that works and can teach those that play with it that repulsion costs more than attraction.

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Re: simple things
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 12:51:30 AM »
Webby I guess I do not understand simple things here but are you talking the 6 of them on top of 6 of them stacked 12 high or 2 stacks 6 high making a 2x6 rectangle? I've played with cube magnets quite a bit I guess I did not really notice anything special so maybe I might have to investigate them again...

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Re: simple things
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 05:42:32 PM »
The first picture is of my old trusty testbed :) it is about 15 years old and has been modified many times.

The 2 pipes are filled with 1\2 round magnets, the black section between them is a continuation of the stack from one side to allow me to get closer if I wish.  When the two ends are aligned with each other the local area field effect is "turned off", not really off but the field chooses to run through the stacks instead of emanating out and around the stacks, when you open the stacks by lifting one side up and moving the other side down the field emanates and presents a magnetic sense in the local area of the ends.

The second pic is of a unit I started building just before the Romero thread started and have not got back to, it is made with stronger magnets and is designed, in my thoughts anyway, to be the core for a generator.

These simple gates can be arranged in many ways and can show very nicely the tail effects of fields, make an interactive magnetic component to short and the magnetic field will wrap around and get in the way of what you are trying to do, make the interactive component to close and the gates tail will wrap around and get in the way.

If you make one like the first pic and measure the force it takes to open the gate and then put a piece of metal in close proximity to the gate and measure again you will see that the metal gets in the way, that it takes some of the magnetic force and redirects and then it takes force to close the gate to compensate for the force taken by the metal.  When playing with these it is easy to see that the "gate" by itself is fully conservative and as such you can use a countering mechanism so that the gate just flops open and closed.

Device number two takes advantage from the Lenz force and should allow for the gate to close easier while the core of a coil is moving towards the open pole end, Lenz of course trying to cancel the field within the inductive assembly therefor reducing the amount of field taken away from the gate, the more that counter field the easier it should be to close the gate.

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Re: simple things
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 05:47:50 PM »
Shoot, I forgot to mention that in pic one the second pipe is also filed with magnets and the pole orientation of the two pipes are the same, that little pipe section on the other side is empty and I am using it to allow my pivot pieces to be at the same level.  SO with this one the gate has 2 positions of closed and open, when the single gate piece is aligned with the top gate piece on the other side the lower gate field is exposed, and likewise when the single gate piece is aligned with the lower gate piece on the other side the upper field is exposed, this is how the gate in pic 2 is built.


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Re: simple things
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 08:15:43 PM »
here's a pic of the thing I have playing with.

The red wire is a large multi-strand wire, it is about 1\8 of an inch thick +insulation, the coiled wire wrapped around the red wire is bailing wire, aka mechanics wire, aka tie wire.  It is wound clockwise for one section and then counterclockwise for another section with arms that come out and point in towards the magnetic rotor.  Tests with the soft steel wire ends that I have tried indicate that a clean cut end facing the magnetic pole works better, just haven't got there with this one yet, was going to try a multi wound coil in place of the red wire.

I think I am totally missing something plus I think my meters are totally screwed.

When I use my 10A input I get a much higher output reading from just the red wire, .52A, when I check for voltage it puts out about .115VAC when I use a jumper and short the ends of the wire I get .102VAC.

The soft steel wire does something similar but it will stop conducting and then jump up and slowly go down and just strange things.  Playing with the red wire output has a small effect on the soft steel output but not the other way.

Just about anything I do does not alter the input to the drive motor you can see attached on top, the draw is the same with or without the device in position, unbalanced rotor, bearings on both the rotor shaft and in the motor are all getting a little stiff, well the parts have just been thoroughly tested :)

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Re: simple things
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 12:57:20 AM »
Cut the grass and came back and tried the soft steel winding again, this time it gave me a constant .20A out into my DMM, the red wire is giving me .55A into my DMM even when I put a jumper across the ends, well it drops to between .49A and .51A, draw for the drive motor is staying at .31A to .33A but now I am getting some interaction between the to power out options I am playing with.

When I power down the drive motor my meter readings slowly go down as the unit comes to rest.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 07:45:42 AM »
I've been thinking about my meter readings, even if my meter is messed up the observation that the readings change with RPM in a manner that would be anticipated tells me that even if the readings are for the wrong amount the reading I have would be a base line of some sort.  When I attach other things to the output of the red wire the current reading I get going into that device seems to depend upon the resistance of the device, I used 2 10:1 step up tansformers that have a .2 ohm primary resistance, I put these in parallel so that resistance would be about .1 ohm I measured .33A going into the transformer feed line, my voltage while hooked up to the transformers was.107V and when I read the current at the ends of the red wire I had .51A and the output voltage from the transformers was .149V, when I hooked up the outputs from the two transformers in series the value went up to .333V,, this has me thinking that maybe I am seeing whatever current can be driven by the voltage of the single turn inductor regardless of draw value being expressed across any load I attach, hence the small drop from .55A to .51A when I hooked a jumper across the ends while I was taking a reading.

Chances are I am wrong, I am usually wrong about 90% of the time, well incorrect maybe cause if I were wrong I wouldn't be able to move more in the right direction.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 09:53:30 PM »
I managed to repeat the soft wire induction shut down as well as reset the condition, need to play more with that so I can do it on demand.

Made another simple loop of the same red wire without the soft steel wire wrapping and placed it around the rotor and spun it up, guess what,,,, no current was produced, brought it down to rest on top of the other one and a small amount of current started to pass, about .01A ac.

Hooked several other transformers up to the unit and they all put out something, even while putting resistors and jumper leads across the outputs of the others.

One I played with most had a primary resistance of 1 ohm and a secondary 660 ohm, it came out of an old TV, connected up to the unit the output was 7.1V ac or 2.34mA draw was .013A no load and .1A shorted, input was .57A .104V

Remeasured the drive motor draw, with nothing around the rotor the draw was .23A with the unit in place the draw can go as low as .29A and up to .33A until I kill the soft steel wire effect, then output goes down and input at point came up to .44A

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Re: simple things
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 07:43:35 PM »
Made a 50 turn copper coil and tried to keep the mass of the copper the same as in the first coil, then wrapped it just like the single turn one, placed this around the rotor and spun it up, results were as follows.

Copper  .31A or 4.85V ac  steel shorted 4.66V ac
Soft steel .25A or .126V ac  copper shorted .060V ac

Drive motor draw was between .27A and .35A

This unit seems to operate much more like conventional electricity, shorting the copper wire drops the output down depending on what I am using to short it, to .1A to 0.0A the steel however goes from .23A to .08A really depending on what I use to short them.

Using copper on the steel nets the least drop and using steel on the copper nets the least drop, use steel on steel or copper on copper and you get the most drop.

I am still seeing the tendency for this unit to give up as much as the item can take, but it creates a larger impact on the output as a whole.

I was expecting the voltage to come up but I was also expecting the amperage to go down a lot more than it did, maybe the standard em is now starting to overshadow the magnet value.

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Re: simple things
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 06:29:37 AM »
Broke a few parts, lost a bearing and wound a transformer.

While trying out my nifty new transformer I was very disappointed wit the output, switched back to two others that I tried before and the output was as it was before, so I thought I would pull the lead wires out of the ends of the red wire and use my jumper wires to do some quick swapping tests.  The strangest thing was that when I used a jumper for the connections the output dropped way off and when I used 2 jumpers the output almost disappeared, stuffed the wire ends back into the ends of the red wire and it all came back.

I am going to extend the wires from my new nifty transformer so they can be plugged straight into the red wire ends and see if that brings up the output, if it does then what ever it is that I am playing with would seem to be selective, another note, the connections need to be tight, a loose one also drops the throughput.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 07:04:01 PM »
no change with the transformer output, but the thing works nicely for other stuff.

Broke the first unit beyond repair, it seems as tho it does not like to have the soft steel wire loops pointing in towards the rotor cut off, after I did that output went way down hill in all aspects as well as input went up.

Got to think of a different approach.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 04:40:50 AM »
Life is strange, weird ocurances makes one think.

I may need to stop my postings of what I am doing, life is strange.

Ed L. was not normal, after he ate and doped his eyes things may of been either opened to him, or lost from him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BUT things are not as they seem, not as easy as I would like to think, the mother impresses upon the child, the child behaves with those impressions for life!

Indeed, it is not little magnets but much, much more?

Tom Webb

P.S.  Sorry about the gate, yes it is a mechanical bloch wall device that I thought everyone would know and understand,, I guess not.


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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 05:27:53 AM »
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Re: simple things
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 02:01:08 PM »
Hi Mr Webby
 You made a catchy thread title. :Simple things: makes me chuckle. Remeninds me of the short commings of human nature if ever there was an oximoron the term Human would be the perfect example. I would like to rename it "runs with head up own ass". Im not reffering to anyone spicific.lol How about some brain food for ya?
 Most people lurk a long time even for years before joining these sites. Im guessing your no different.
  So at some time you might have read about different Juel theif designs.I like the ones that have many repeating teriods. One runs many others off a single AA. Im really bad with names so I dont even try to remember names any more. The guy who holds the record for the number of led lights his set up is pretty cool to he even runs off an earth battery. Little simple things.
  In your quest you most likely have read till your head is ready to explode looking for that nugget. How often you must wonder or consider it is most likely right in front of you in plain sight ,that ever ellusive nugget. After all the best place to hide something is not to hide it all. No one looks for something hidden right in front of their own face.Think of all the really stupid places a person looks for their lost car keys. The lack of success to date would indicate the nugget is too simple and too out in the open for complicated people to find. Not imossible for them but I suspect they will be quite pissed off in the end if they travel a thousand miles to reach the spot next to where they were standing in the first place. Go back to the earlier times of tesla.Understand the Man then you can figure out where to look and what to look for. You wont find it or your keys in the freezer or the toilet or the bird cage. If you want to make it complicated use the direction of technology and economy as a directional keeping in mind they are continually stearing you away from the treasure you seek.Here is an example of the level of simplicity. A gun is just a faster rock, it is smaller then a big rock found on the ground you would throw by hand which is free. If your willing to spend the money and someone is willing to make the gun at a proffit and you can afford the the price for the gun then the gun is good.It how ever will not have a different outcome then the free rock on the ground. Dead is dead. All energy is free, harnessing it is not. Convincing people it is too complex and expensive to make your own power ,priceless.

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Re: simple things
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 05:37:14 PM »
Yesterday I was reminded of basic electric stuff, ie: the path of least resistance, well last night I tried using 2 DMM's at the same time but could only get one of them to read, so I am thinking that maybe it was just USER error,, except that today I tried the same test setup as what I was using prior with a couple of standard motors, and well when I hook the jumper wire across the output of those my reading on the same meter drops to almost nothing, whereas with the unit1 or unit 2 that does not happen,,,,,,,,,,strange.

So for now I will consider my extraneous current readings as user error and move on to other things.

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