Author Topic: Background discussion of TT`s Pyramid (Read 111495 times)

madsatbg · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:51:35 PM »

Hi Neptune,
I believe that the pyramid of Thomas is working.
But I do not like to tune of "dark".
Not knowing what I'm looking.
When Thomas set his pyramid, he uses the word synchronization.
I understand the synchronization between the two generators.
But here we have only one - the Earth.
7-15 Hz.
But Thomas showed Oscillogram where seen in the frequency range of MHz ...
This leads me to believe that we have LC resonant circuit.
As each round vibrations subside sooner or later.
How shrewdly Thomas to maintain the oscillation does not subside.
Here me now, as orthodox Engineer,
makes me look how the transformation of radiant energy through quartz sand.
What impact does the underground water and network Hartman.
Here we intervene energy pyramid, underground water, quartz sand

I quote a friend "Our education prevents to grasp the essence"
So how do you think why not go the first time your pyramid?
What is measured? How many volts received.AC or DC?

Did oscillations, I also measured the oscillations similar to Thomas, but with smaller amplitude.

regards

k4zep · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:57:41 PM »

Quote from: neptune on July 20, 2011, 02:29:45 PM

@FatBird . Nice photo of the fens . Without hills , we have the biggest skies in the world .They must be irresistible to the chemtrail brigade .
Just a general pyramid question . In the videos , TT shows epoxy glue being used to seal the points where the ends of the inner winding comes out the inner tube . I would have thought it was more important to seal the holes in the inner tube where the inner winding wires enter the inner tube .Without this , sand can escape into the inner tube . However , TT makes no mention of this .

Inner tube question........I sealed the inner tube down to where the wire enters with a epoxy plug so no sand can get out or moisture can enter the sand chamber.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

NickZ · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:34:01 AM »

Some how I can't get over the fact that the "reactor" looks at bit, and may act a whole like like my capacitor can cement beach-sand cell. When placed in series the cells can have as many volts as needed. The beach sand is mostly quartz, and iron fillings. It can also take on an additional charge, as well as to also give a charge, permanently. Each cell outputs 50 to 70 mA, and 1.5 volts.
What is the output of Thomas's pyramid?

ElectricGoose · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:01:52 AM »

@Nick

How your 'crystal' (its NOT crystal) battery LOOKS is the only similarity. I have stated this before about the concrete batteries (and similar)...they are NOT crystal batteries.

1) ANY crystal radio/receiver/circuit works on the RECTIFICATION of incoming oscillating waves and transforms that into voltage/current. If you dont rectify it, you will see the waveform on the scope and you have your proof you have a TRUE crystal receiver. TT pyramid appears to be a true crystal reciever. The pyramid is the focussing antenna, the reactor a scalar/radiant magnifier. The SAND is merely a cats whisker DIODE that rectifies the oscillations.

2) It makes 100% sense that the sand has to be dry....'wet' or damp crystals would act as very poor cats whiskers.

3) THIS leads to how we know the cement cells are not crystal batteries and why they die down. Perform this experiment - Place one of you batteries in an oven and bake until nice and hot. IF it were a true xtal battery, it would perform even better....you will see when you take it out and place your multimeter on it it will read absolutely big fat 0 volts. WHY?? All the water is gone. These cells are galvanic and nothing more!!! The other truth of it is this....if they were true crystal cells and some 'magical' rectification was coming from that beach sand/cement, you would be able to use the same metal for the inner and outer casing.

You cement battery guys are playing with cruddy battery technology where the french started 100 years ago. Their first batteries were made exactly the same way from plaster of paris. Its the minute amount of moisture and disimilar metals doing the work. GALVANIC

@matsatbg

In essence you dont need the pyramid. The pyramid is just a focussing antenna.

NickZ · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:39:05 AM »

Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...

NickZ · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:21:16 AM »

Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...

NickZ · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:23:27 AM »

Sorry for the double post, sometimes I press the post button and nothing happens.

Freezer · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:24:14 AM »

Quote from: NickZ on July 21, 2011, 03:39:05 AM

Well, those are your thoughts, not mine. First I must say that the cells are months old, and have been totally dried in the oven overnight even from the day they were made. Second as some people have noticed they can produce a voltage using the same metals, although not to the same degree. There may be is more to this than a galvanic reaction. These cell are still permanently producing output, are working totally dry and have not died, and can produce as much or voltage as the pyramid.
Again, what is the voltage and current output of this 3 foot model???
As I've mentioned before I already have a 6 foot pyramid ready made and only need this reactor and tiny fan etz... to get this replication made. I'm waiting for the results, which up to now not too convincing.
As you mentioned you don't need the pyramid... and I personally don't see this reactor as anything else than what I'm working on, now if you can produce 110 volts I might think twice, but, so far I don't see this kind of usable output from any device.
What is the proof that the pyramid is not a galvanic device??? Iron, and copper, there you have it. If what you mean by "to rectify" is the same as what I mean by a conversion process of Aether to usable electrical power, then they are working by the same principal, which is not galvanic, but something not discovered 100 years ago. Hutchinson also states his opinion of the crystal cell.
In anycase, ELECTRIC GOOSE, I won't waist more of your time as you've already made your mind up. This is intended for others...

Did you watch his videos? He shows his device powering two motors peaking at 18 watts. His device is not a battery, and in fact his wire is insulated..

Also I don't see how you can say your batteries have no water, as there is moisture in the air we breathe. As far as the cells lasting months, I have typical lead acid batteries that last years and put out amps which can be bought for $20... However I think the Hutchison cell is different, but I haven't seen anyone reproduce it. He runs a motor on a single cell which I haven't seen anyone do. I think these cells are worth pursuing, but don't see much relation to what TT has done.

I would take a look TT's videos, they are quite interesting, especially the outdoor one. If this isn't some elaborate hoax, I think TT has really got something special.

ElectricGoose · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2011, 05:08:28 AM »

Quote from: Freezer on July 21, 2011, 04:24:14 AM

Also I don't see how you can say your batteries have no water, as there is moisture in the air we breathe.

You are absolutely correct Freezer.

Nick...do you want to know the truth when you experiment or not?? You say to me I that I believe what I want or something to that effect and yet this is not true. I have held beliefs/theories before and yet we must not fall in love with them when the evidence of our EXTENSIVE experiments shows otherwise.

You say that your cells are 'dry'. I tell you that they are not and this is 100% fact. I made these concrete cells and placed them in an oven. IMMEDIATELY after removing from oven when they are definitely 100% dry there is 0 volts reading!! HOWEVER, stone/concrete/plaster etc is not waterproof entirely. It is like a big slow porous sponge and even in a really dry climate like where I reside, the ambient moisture (humidity) in air is between 7 - 10%.

What I noticed in my tests, was that 1 hour after the cell had returned to room temp (from hot oven), the cell started building voltage again (lets say 0.1v). Amps were non existent. Every hour therafter, the voltage raised a bit more until a few days later when it would peak and this was when the concrete had saturated to the ambient humidity again.

Alternately, you could fast forward the process and just dump your cell in a bucket of water OR even just wet the surface of the visible cement. I encourage you to do this and place the multimeter on it....you will see that the voltage will shoot up.

No magic crystal cell there.

However if you want to ignore the evidence and carry on with time wasting delusion...you do that.

NickZ · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2011, 05:34:52 AM »

The pyramid is nothing more than a big capacitor utilizing and converting Aether to electricity. As you will see.

When the cement cells are taken out of an initial 24 hour baking they are not only TOTALLY DRY, they are burning hot. Yes, there is water in the air, and still a little trapped inside the cells. But, as we have come to find out now, that the cells are losing there ability to produce an output over time, due not only from to the water inside drying out, but from oxidation of the electrodes, and the shrinking of the cement from the containers. This we are in the process of studying now, and working towards a practical solution. We are still in the infancy of these power cells. If they were working on a just a galvanic principal they would discharge like ALL other batteries and need to be recharged, these cells DON'T NEED RECHARGING. Why?

? If all is known then why is it that you can't you buy a permanent output cell anywhere, for any price.
I have been watching this pyramid build and information since they were first introduced, but have not seen the outside video that was just made. Please post a link to it as I have not found it yet.
I am not arguing the galvanic or not theory, just looking for the true cause and effect, as what is important is the results, the reasons are secondary, as Thomas also mentions.
We don't even know what Aether really is, or electricity, or magnetic energy, or what is cold electricity, and other sources of as yet unknown and undiscovered and as yet unmeasurable power sources.
But, We don't need to be insulted, either, Electric Goose, if you are so smart why can't you be nice.

ElectricGoose · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:06:40 AM »

Quote from: NickZ on July 21, 2011, 05:34:52 AM

If they were working on a just a galvanic principal they would discharge like ALL other batteries and need to be recharged, these cells DON'T NEED RECHARGING. Why?? If all is known then why is it that you can't you buy a permanent output cell anywhere, for any price.
I am not arguing the galvanic or not theory, just looking for the true cause and effect, as what is important is the results, the reasons are secondary, as Thomas also mentions.
We don't even know what Aether really is, or electricity, or magnetic energy, or what is cold electricity, and other sources of as yet unknown and undiscovered and as yet unmeasurable power sources.
But, We don't need to be insulted, either, Electric Goose, if you are so smart why can't you be nice.

Nick

In answer to some of your questions.

1) These cells are galvanic BUT incredibly LOW ouput...therefore
2) Everything is exponentially calculated....many at the forum for instance says "oh wow these cells last forever". But do they and at what output??? Answer = NO they don't last forever they just seem to last a whole lot longer than conventional batteries. However, what is the point of lasting 10-20 years if the output is 1 volt at 2 milliamps for something the size and weight of a beer can? The reason they last so long and the output is so low is that the galvanic deteriotion is slowed by the 'solid electrolyte' and minimal moisture. At the end of it all its useless because the output is so low.
3) You can say that conventional carbon cells dont need recharging either. If you look at them fairly and the evidence....even a dried up old used carbon battery has 100x more power than concrete cell. I dont get where you are going with your recharging line of reasoning.
4) Why arent 'forever' cells on the market at any price? Really? Same reason they make electronics to last 5 years or less - Economics.

You say "the reasons are secondary"

? I am astounded but not surprised at this comment and its shows why you are scrabbling in the dark. The reasons as to HOW and WHY things work are never ever secondary if you want to have a hope of building something or figuiring out a mystery!!

Just imagine if the Wright Brothers had said "we dont need to know what causes lift!" Oh dear...they would still be bolting flat pieces of plywood on things and wondering why they weren't getting off the ground. Once you know the why...you can bend and shape things any way you want!

Insulted??? Did I swear at you or call you stupid? I point out the truth. Did I really insult you or do you just feel insulted because of bad reasoning on your own part which makes you feel foolish?

Be honest with yourself.

NickZ · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:09:46 AM »

Electric Goose:
At least you a trying to be a little nicer. I am not arguing the galvanic theory. I am suggesting that there is more to it. My cells are NOT like yours, mine have current and not just voltage. They did not come out of the oven dead. They are producing useful electric power for multiple leds throughout my house, nightly for months, and are still at it. They do not need recharging... for what ever reason. Even if galvanic as most think, they are the only source of silent permanent and daily free light that I've seen, yet.
Not trying to convince anyone, nor do I care if the these cells are galvanic, what I care about is that they last, at least long enough to be useful. But I will go to the Mg/Carbon cell next, as it produces much more current, and yes they are galvanic, and do rust out, and deteriorate, as does every battery made to date. But they don't EVER need to be charged.
This is not to dismiss the pyramid as an output source, as I've spend almost half my life inside pyramids, and I'm also interested in this thread, and its results, as much as anyone.

Freezer · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:49:23 AM »

Here's tt's #2 outdoor video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=825A9G37P7s

On another note there is some pretty good nimh cells on the market called eneloop, made by sanyo, that seem to outperform all other nimh cells. They claim it can hold it's charge for 3 years and retain something like 80%. I have had some for almost a year and it hasn't lost .1 volts, so there are some on the market which seem to not be geared to die like the rest. Of course these won't last forever, but they are a vast improvement. I also read that a guy in China stole the design, and eneloop tried to sue them unsuccessfully. I think they are designing a battery for use in electric vehicles. Sanyo make really efficient solar cells as well, but are very expensive.

NickZ · « **Reply #28 on:** July 21, 2011, 07:45:50 AM »

Freezer:
Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.
Also very interesting about the Sanyo nimh cells.
The main point is that cells can also be permanent output power source, needing no connection to the grid system. Like a permanent power supply. The fact that they are not being made available, or that we have not been able to perfect them to a usable degree, yet, its only a matter of time. Same with the pyramid generator. By the time we figure out how to do something ebay will be selling it, made in China for less than it would cost to build it. But like you said, it's not cheap, now.

neptune · « **Reply #29 on:** July 21, 2011, 01:06:41 PM »

I am very pleased I started this thread . It keeps stuff off the main thread that is not strictly relevant , and we have got some interesting discussions going on .What sets the pyramid apart from some other borderline technology ,is that the output is watts rather than milliwatts .OK . the power density is still quite low , but this is still in its infancy .Once we see replication , the scope for experimentation is huge . Once we understand the "how" , we might make better reactors .The pyramid is not necessarily the best shape for the job . Substitutes may be found for the gypsum boards . What about some specially treated , waterproof cloth ? The whole thing then becomes as portable as a tent . Then there is the problem of scale . A one metre pyramid harvests about 16 watts from one square metre of earth . So a small half metre size may give 4 watts , and that will light a hell of a lot of LEDS or possible charge your phone .
@ Ben K4ZEP . During tests , TT does not fit the fourth side panel to his pyramid . If you remember , please ask him what percentage power loss this causes .

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