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Title: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 08, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
A thought excercise, together with diagrams and experiments designed to unlock the mind.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 08, 2011, 12:57:06 PM
Frankly
Your Dialogue thus far has been very intriguing!
 The Intent of this forum is to work together 'Open Source' And Bring This World to a better place.

Perhaps you have a light to shine on that path?

Thank you for sharing!

Chet
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: forest on July 08, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
frankly

If amperage and magnetic field are so closely related then maybe they are both created by the same factor ?
I'm far from connecting  all together but I feel that Joseph Newman shocking theory may be correct. Electrons are small magnets with inertia and current is because of movement of such particles with magnetic momentum. This movement is forced by etheric longitudinal sound-like flow which is the cause of every electric phenomena. So we have situation when electric current is just pure mechanical force at corpuscular scale.Ether pressure move particles with inertia which produce magnetic field.
While this may explain electric current phenomena there is some unknowns :
1. there is possibility of existence of smaller then electron particles with magnetic momentum which push electrons
2. there is possibility that every particle with magnetic momentum is a vortex of ether and that way also large scale magnetic field can exists without particles (scaled up "magnet")
3. EM waves - do they exists ? Tesla thought that Hertz waves are too weak to propagate more then a few miles but we are pumping so much energy into them currently to spread then it may work. Personally I didn't found any clear explanation from Tesla how he saw Hertzian waves. He only stated "they are radiations" and radiations for me suggest corpuscular nature of EM. Connection between longitudinal waves in ether and EM radiation is one of the most important questions for me.

I have also a lot of other important unresolved riddles (for me). ..
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: forest on July 08, 2011, 08:43:54 PM
frankly - could you move your posts to this thread ? I didn't responded previously because I thought that my thoughts in primitive plain Enslish which is not my native language would not add anything to the overall picture. In fact I have troubles understanding parts of your very interesting description so please bear with me.I found it excellent but not "pure clear", and I'm deeply searching "pure clear" answers - understandable for every person.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 08, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
Forest
You are a wonderful person ,Your Sincerity and Zeal for this cause Transcends the language barrier.[Translation 'Your worth your weight in Gold"]

I have posted Frankly's Posts in  order .
Frankly
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 on: July 04, 2011, 07:30:11 PM 
Perhaps I can ask this. What is present in a coil of material to form the B field in the first place? If energy traverses the skin of the wire, what forms the B field? Which part of the material is effected and by how much?

Before you say "the core material", think about an air core coil. Or, even a single wire with no turns.

The B field is caused by the electric component interacting with something. What is that thing and how does this work? What does it mean in regards to "magnetic potential", or in other words, amperage?

Everyone assumes that electricity is the same now as in Tesla's day. It is not.

In fact, it is made now to prevent any possibility of discovering what I am putting forth, which is why it has been so denied. Yes, I can prove that statement. No, I do not have referances, only devices from the early part of the 20'th century in which the circuit elements are different to manage the different energy signature.

There are patents done by Tesla of wiring seguences for generators, and Eric Dollard also did a few drawings of the correct method of energy generation.

But alternators, and rectified energy from these, will not furnish the required energy to establish Tesla's "Rotating magnetic field".

This field is not a motor, nor a winding cage. That is a deception designed to cover the truth.

It is a manufactured state we have now, make no mistake. The trouble is in trying to undo what has been done.

As an example which is easy to do, place two counterwound coils upon a core and energise one with AC energy from the wall. Now, correct me if I am wrong, (as I frequently am), but, a collapsing B field inductiively sends it's energy to the other coil, correct, as they are wound in opposite directions? If the same direction, the building B field would be mirrored in the other coil? So, with counterwound, one should see the opposite B field occur, or a matching polarity. This I built, and, although the second coil delivers 240 volt energy, it has no amperage compared to the input phase. So, in reversing the current, any amperage that was set up in the core, is then removed. All that is left is the reluctance energy. This is a key to understanding where the true energy lies.

Telsa, used oscillating DC and early in the 20'th century, alternators with polyphase energy were used. AC of equal but opposite potentials.

This is far different to today.

This includes batteries and also permanent magnets, (though to a lesser degree).
 
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12   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 04, 2011, 05:40:18 AM 
Hello all. It has been a few years since I entered here but I see the whole game is still afoot, and only now, when someone shows the fact that energy from a battery, when applied to both ends of a core at once, produces a stronger magnetic field, do you begin to question whether you might have missed something really, really important.

Indeed, you have.

The answer to your present quandry lies in the core. At the core.

Tesla used, not only bifilar winds and such, he also used an entirely different energy signature.

This was derived from, first, a homopolar generator and then, from a DC generator based upon the same principles as the operation of the Homopolar.

Also, Tesla utilised condensors. NOT capacitors. They are two very different things.

A condensor can best be described as an element which absorbs and releases amperage. Lots of it. Quickly.

This allowed his devices to ring quite differently than with voltage alone, which you will get with capacitors.

What the present circuit is touching upon is energy amplification. However, without any understanding of exactly what energy is, you will never catch your tail.

I know this sounds abrasive. Coming from my perspective, I mean it. I posted some things here a while back, in another thread and was shouted down. These have been deleted I see.

Now, years later, the thoughts of the many are beginning to come to where I was then.

The "Rotating Magnetic Field" Tesla utilised was not a mechanical device. Rather, it was an area of polarisation in a core.

In doing so, a coil in proximity received the signature and converted the magnetic flux into energy as if a solid magnet passed by.

However, with the present geometry, all you will get is Transient Spike conversion.

I have been trying for years to explain this simple thing to people, to no avail. Perhaps now, there are ears to hear? 
 
10   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 12:40:27 AM 
The main difference between a condensor and a capacitor is one of geometry. I am not sure how the ultra caps are oriented, but, basically, using an element in a resonating circuit to hold and bounce back, the energy, which is specifically designed to clamp resonations, is what you are doing with a capacitor today.

A condenser is either a set of series connected plates, interspaced with either a di-electric medium if negative or a conductor if positive.

A bank of these placed in a circuit was known as a battery. This term was used from it's root meaning which is of course equally applicable to armory. Any collection of like things to deliver force.

Tesla describes in one of his papers the difference between the methods of construction. An end connected, interwound plate of the condensor, seperated by the insulating ,(or conducting, as with electrolytic condensors), set into a Faraday tube, is able to resonate at the specific frequency of the load. Modern elements do not allow this.

As to the oscillating DC. The energy delivered was both positive and negative of equal force. Only with this energy will it be possible to lock onto the wheel-work of nature.
9   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 04:40:38 AM 
And, here we are. Arguing about the internet's description of condensors versus capacitors.

The original post was to ask what formed the B field within a wire? What substance within the wire becomes magnetised, for as we know, copper is non magnetic. I mentioned capacitors as another issue altogether.

Tell you what. Take some apart.

Get an old ignition coil condensor and cut open the casing. Then, do the same for a radio suppressing condensor on an alternator. Then, an electrolytic condensor, and, while you are at it, take apart a capacitor from a microwave oven, and an AC motor, and think about the description I gave earlier.

The evidence shows us the truth, no matter what the theory is.

Look into which speach Tesla gave where he describes the condensor's construction. This will tell you what I have learned. That there is a major difference. A fundamental one in fact, without which, you will never understand the purpose of asking "what is it that forms the B field in the first place"?

I have used referance pages before, to have them changed. So, it is better to simply do the research yourselves. The components are not that hard to find. Get a hack saw and start investigating.

That is what I did.

Look into old stuff. Go to junk yards and garage sales. Get something, anything old, and pull it apart to tease the truth from it, before the "recycling" movement swallows all the history, and all proof is gone.

Even better yet, make a condensor yourself and apply it to a circuit. The components are not hard to assemble. Remember, there are positive condensors, and negative condensors. There are also both, but that is a power source. We are interested in only catching and holding one side of the energisation.

No.

I am getting lost again.
 
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8   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 06:07:48 AM 
No, I am asking what causes the B field to form, when the wire is energised by an electric field. Which specific component in the air or wire is aligned to form the magnetic flux? Why does this phenomena have reluctance,  reactance and capacitance? What FORMS it? For it to exhibit reluctance, it must be influenced by gravity, and therefore have mass. WHAT IS IT?
 
7   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 10:19:22 AM 
The field surrounding an electrified form, which is magnetic in nature, and yes, swirling, is not what causes the field to form. The electric energy is the force creating it, yes. But what is it that the electric energy acts upon, to form the magnetic flux lines? Electrons? How can a thing act upon itself to form another energy signature? That would be like wind glowing. The electron is the charge carrier apparently, acting upon....what....to form the magnetic field which is in proportion to the amperage content.....meaning the two are linked, magnetism and amperage. .......Now, there is a big hint!!
6   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 07:26:02 PM 
Quote from: poynt99 on July 05, 2011, 02:09:49 PMUnless you're going to bring the aether into the picture, the only "thing" pre-existing when you apply the electric field is the electric field. Therefore, the charge carrier acts in relation to or upon the applied electric field.
 
It seems there are some things that don't make sense here. No offence, but there are holes in your logic. How can the electric field be "pre-existing", before electric energy is applied? Are you saying a circuit is preenergised? Also, the charge carriers, which bring with them the energy to form the B field, act upon themselves?? This sounds a little preposterous I think.

If I drop a stone in a pond.....the ripples extend outward, yet the ripples are not the stone, nor does the stone bounce continually upon the water, causing standing waves to form of higher amplitude than the original wave from the first contact when the returning ripples from the edge of the pond meet and combine.

Also, if one looks at a magnet with a peice of magnetic viewing film, one will see a Bloch wall between the North and South pole, at the hemisphere, and another at the poles. THIS is the magnetic field. The iron filings show the flux path.....the energisation path, not the magnetic path, kind of like the pond again.....Floating leaves show us the top of the water, and whether it is still or moving, but not the depth of the waters.
solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 06, 2011, 06:31:47 AM 
Quote from: JouleSeeker on July 06, 2011, 02:37:13 AMRight -- as I noted, this could be "battery relaxation" (for example).

With regard to the ideal toroid experiment -- I wrote,
The question is, how is the change in magnetic field at the center of the loop SENSED by the loop, when the magnetic field outside the toroid itself is ZERO?    There is no magnetic field to affect the electrons in the wire, from the toroid, just an electric field.  And does this electric field propagate outward from the toroid at the speed of light?  I suppose so.

I'm hoping Frankly will consider the appearance of the electric field outside the toroid in the absence of a magnetic field outside the toroid, in his theoretical model.


Well, although I have not received any enlightenment from .99 regarding the questions I posed to HIS/HER statements, only the idea that I misunderstood HIS/HER statements somehow, (and if so, would like explanation please), I will answer this somewhat crossed message question.

Firstly, please be specific.....are we looking at a solenoid, or a torroid? Secondly, There is no Bloch wall formed on an electromagnet with present energisation, so a different set of phenomena are used to establish the rules of interaction than are used with magnets alone. Thirdly, with a torroid, or closed core transformer, as you rightly point out, all the magnetic energy for "induction" is within the core, therefore, how can this be "transferred" to the adjoining coil and provide useable energy via the collapsing or building magnetic lines of force.....and do it so well? The only answer is that the wire is being energised in some way that is not immediately apparent, and is occuring within the bounds of the primary coils' geometry, as it cannot be "sensed" untill the secondarie's winds are lower to the face of the torroid than the primary, so energy is lost. In the same manner, by placing wraps further out, there is loss. I wonder, has anyone used flat strap to wind a transformer? Probably not in nearly a hundred years. Interestingly, this is what was used for transformers with the AC electricity in it's early form...wire ribbon. Why? What did they know that seems to have been forgotten, or missed?

Previously I asked why amperage and magnetic strength of the B field were related. I wait for an answer.

As to "just conveying my thoughts" on what the form of the wheelwork of nature really is?? That thing that is the water in our pond? If I did that, what would you learn? No. How about you reflect on what I have said. The answer is there. Right before you. Only one person thus far has even attempted to think and imagine a solution, then, (hopefully) test that idea with apparatus. Oops, sorry. Did I just suggest that someone do science?

I wonder, did anyone measure the mass of the plates in the battery that is charging and measure the capacitance of the entire circuit and find the resonant frequency.....to see if there is a correlation with the running frequency?

What of these reported "sweet spots" with the present design?

Where are the joyous words extolling the solution has been found, for it is these that prove the thoughts. The basis of the harmonic scale of matter.

Have any mass measurements been done?

Why does the mass of the primary and secondary have to be so similar in transformers? What does "harmonic resonance" lock onto?

We hear the standing wave in our well tuned musical instruments all the time. Pianos are a prime example. Why is it that no-one has applied that thinking to energy amplification.

I recently learned that an "amplifier" in electrical engineering is not "amplifying" anything. To amplify means to increase in strength. So, the end result must be that energy is greater out than in via some sort of fulcrum or pulley. Like a gearbox, amplifying the mechanical energy to push the car faster with less engine speed. Utilising inertia to relieve torque. This was the reason for heavy flywheels in old engine designs. The storage of inertia so the energy from it could be amplified via pulleys and such.

However, nowadays it seems that to amplify a signal means to hold back on the original strength of the current, or working force, and control it. This means that the highest amplification of the signal possible is the same as having no amplifier present. The control of the signal DOWNWARDS in strength is referred to as amplification. It is this type of thinking that prevents discovery of the truth.

How, in what manner, can we amplify energy when we are not taught that energy spins and has inertia, just like a flywheel??

This motion is called reactance, reluctance and resistance and is the source of all of the original though forms and quaternion equations that once described, in perfect detail, the overall manner in which electricity operates based upon circles not lines.

How can vectors describe rotation of subatomic particles? It cannot. So, "science" invents quantum math to blur the edges of their straight lines, and gets further and further away from the truth.

Anyway, I am now ranting.

Back to the issue at hand.

What is affected by the energy from a source of electricity to form a magnetic field around the energised current carrying medium?

Ohh, and also, if you take out the core of a transformer and leave the coils adjacent, does it still work? Why? What must be done to prevent them interacting and transferring energy one to the other with the changing magnetic field?

This type of science is what must be done, all over again, to find the truth. I cannot just blurt it out, for I will not be believed. I tried that once before.

I have no credentials, only experimental experience. And, without the math skills to back me up, all I have is these words.

I can point the way, but you must walk.

I can show you pictures, and videos 'till the cows come home. These would only be the source of more conjecture.

I tried asking for expert assistance, none came. So, I now ask the questions of you that I asked myself, in order that you may also do the same thinking. This is what a teacher does, so the student may learn for themselves. Only in that manner will the result, once realised, be believed.

Do the investigations I suggested, think on the real reasons behind the simple processes, and the truth will be revealed.

Or, you can simply do nothing but continue along, blundering in the dark. Frankly, I don't give a damn
4   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 06, 2011, 07:27:58 PM 
Quote from: poynt99 on July 06, 2011, 03:35:18 PM@ frankly,

I have already provided the answer to the question regarding how current is induced in a loop of wire outside of either a solenoid or toroid. It's the electric field.

Now, regarding your initial question about what causes a magnetic B field:

The electron has charge. A spinning charged particle has a magnetic moment, i.e. it is a magnetic dipole. There are many free electrons in copper. When an electric field is applied to a copper wire, the magnetic moments of these free electrons become aligned such that a net magnetic moment (or field) is created which encircles the wire.

.99


Excellent, now we are getting somewhere.

So, could the amount of these dipoles in the wire, all lining up in one direction, have anything to do with the capacity of the wire? So, if long, or in a coil, deliver a pulse of energy to a load? In other words....is that what amperage is? The amount of dipoles aligned and then relaxing? Is that what the term reluctance equates to? The dipoles' relaxation speed?

SO.

Resistance then, must be related to the SIZE of the dipole. It's mass. So, aluminium, a lighter substance and yet, a metal and a conductor, conveys energy far easier for less space, the dipole's are smaller.

Cool. I hope you see the correlations here, because it is important to understand this simple stuff.

So, if the dipole, being aligned, and then allowed to relax, delivers that inertia to another component, called a load, or in the case of DC energy, has to be pulsed, (except with a resistance like light bulb, which is itself a resonating element), why does it have to stop spinning? Why not simply, instead of aligning the dipoles in the wire, and then allowing them to relax, set them spinning?

This, then, is also a changing magnetic field, so, delivers energy to the load just the same.

It is just that, one must use OSCILLATING DC energy to achieve this rotation of the dipoles.

If you investigate the actions of the elements in the present circuit, I think you will find, once the calculations are done, that the "sweet spots" described, are where the capacitance and inductance match harmonically, so, some extra rotation of the core's dipoles is occurring.

Also, the "feedback loop" is simply where this opposite polarity energy is coming from to achieve this.

Tesla was using OSCILLATING DC of HIGH FREQUENCY and HIGH POTENTIAL.

 
3   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: Today at 04:30:59 AM 
Well, I am not sure what happened. I thought someone asked how energy could "come into" a circuit. In the describing of what "energy" is, I showed the thought process that led to (in a small way), understanding what forms energy, or amperage.

The amplification of this, is what I thought everyone was looking for. Small energy in, 10^13 times out, or something.

So, I spoke freely. To everyone here.

 It seems I have either been ignored or shut out. No feedback, no thoughts, no expressions of consideration whatsoever in days....what gives, people??

All sorts of terse words for my continued musings, when I was trying to encourage discussion and thought among what I thought were like minded people, yet, after the point was made, nothing.....

The "wheelwork of nature" revealed in words, and not even a blip.....

Would a video be better?

Or, some drawings???

Would that help convey the thoughts?

Been there, done that. It doesn't make a difference.

If you look up "Watt meter design" you will find that modern science is already well educated in the inertia of eddy currents.

Place this mechanism, (which is supported by the background energy of the universe, just as the domains in a permanent magnet are), into a transformer core, and you have energy amplification. Simple really. But, has anyone realised this? Or are willing to discuss the implications? It would seem not.

Either I am being ignored, or everyone is feeling a little abashed that they have missed something so simple for so long.

Let me know which it is please, so I may move on.

I spend hours composing messages every time I try to get the message across. My time would be better spent enjoying my children, not ensuring their future. After all, why shift the status quo?
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11116.0

I think  I did it correctly. Sorry for the "Jacking". Seems my communication limitations have thwarted me again.

This is only the second time I have attempted to communicate in forums like this, and I don't understand much of the processes and social etiquette.

Hope to see some like minds join me.

Frankly.
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2   New theories about free energy systems / Тhe theory of energy streams / Eddy currents and their implications  on: Today at 10:04:57 AM 
A thought excercise, together with diagrams and experiments designed to unlock the mind.
 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 09, 2011, 12:28:16 AM
Hi guys.

Thanks for joining in, I hope we can all learn from each other. Too long I have been trying to understand this alone, and I keep coming to the same wall. When it comes to applying some math to build devices, I fall over.

Hopefully, many heads will be better than one.

Also, a big thanks to ramset. I was thinking about how to do what you have done, probably easier and far more efficiently than I could have. Thanks.

Also, Forest, Welcome and thanks. Where is everyone from?

I am in Australia, on the South East coast. It is winter here. I work a morning shift, so catch the end of the day in the America's.

I was born and raised here, have never traveled far, and am not  highly educated in the traditional sense. I do, however, seem to have an ability to think "out of the box" a little. This has only come to light for me quite recently, when my wife insisted I be tested for Aspergers Syndrome. Our son is on the spectrum, and so am I.

I did not know that most people did not think in pictures, for many years, and it is only as I have been researching and learning about Tesla, seeing his drawings, following his thoughts and efforts as they evolved, and "seeing" into his mind, that I learned that what I see, is different to what others see.

Forest.

1. Yes. There are. This is what CERN are chasing....the "god particle". A fundamental particle that forms all else. When the background energy of the universe solidifies into matter, it must form a dipole. An area of equal and opposite charge separated by a singularity. The center singularity is the link to the source, so, is the pathway to all other particles as well.

2. These are what Tesla was using.....mas-less magnetic fields. This is Tesla's "Rotating magnetic Field"....a large, mas-less domain within the core of a coil. This is how we achieve energy amplification. By polarising the magnetic components within a core, whatever they are, and oscillating the polarity to increase their natural inertia and AMPLIFY their energy He refered to electric energy as a gas. This he found from his experiments with light. There is an element much smaller than everything else, called Hydrogen, which cannot be excluded from a vacuum. It is very, very close to the inversion layer between the background and this solid universe. It has, as far as we know, three isomer spins. One is neutral, so has no magnetic moment, one is a South pole charge, and the other a North pole.

These particles have mass and are a dipole, (as are all other particles, but we won't go there yet).

3. I am not too sure about EM "waves". I think all is pulse. Expansion, contraction. That is all. With everything spinning. So, catching onto this pulse, at predetermined and equidistant intervals, will appear as a wave to the senses and to machinery designed to do so. This is what Tesla was referring to when he mentions the energy of the planet being able to be utilised to transfer energy.

Much like a wave machine anchored to the bottom of the pond, the stone in the middle does not to be large to transfer energy all over the face of the pond, it just needs to oscillate up and down, right on the surface, in time with the naturally occurring waves, so as not to cancel out the motion, and not to create a disturbance or "standing wave". If this "pond" were a sphere in space, such as our planet, Then all we need to do is find the harmonic nodes, and "pump" the ionosphere.

Presently, if we take an ariel and place it above the ground at 30 feet, we get a potential differance of some 10,000 volts I think. The trouble here is, that we are immersed in this seething mass, and oscillate at the same speed. All matter on earth does. So, we can see this pressure, but cannot touch it unless we ourselves create a differential with voltage ourselves. What Tesla realsied was that we can, much like impressing one phase of energy over another, we can impress upon this sphere, a higher order harmonic, and then, all the power of that lower order harmonic, that "pressure of the sphere", is ours to utilise, for the device we connect to it with is tuned ABOVE the ground phase of the planet, to that weaker, higher order harmonic lying on top of the planet's natural frequency.....

Like I said, simple. It is just that people are not "trained" to think this way any longer.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Mk1 on July 09, 2011, 12:56:19 AM
@all

I would not say there is no field around a toroid , but no known field .

I however know there is one , and i did put it to use . Here is the picture ...

The toroid is a little under one inch , the joule thief is a basic one dual single 4 loop coil . The second toroid is made of cardboard with my special winding and connected only to the led , there is no led on the Joule thief .
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 03:16:50 AM
Frankly Id like to hear more.  :D
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: z.monkey on July 09, 2011, 03:48:20 AM
If you have water flowing in the garden hose its a coherent flow, a current.

When the water hits the end of the hose it quickly looses its coherence,
and dissipates as spray, divided down into eddy currents.

The hose is a conductor, to direct the flow...

Compressed air is analogous, in that when it escapes its hose it quickly
looses coherence as the is pressure dissipated in the atmosphere.

Light is also analogous, when light is coherent, like a laser, its is a current.
When the light comes out of the laser it starts to loose its coherence,
affected by eddy currents, caused by friction, and reflection, eventually
looses all its energy as eddy currents as it is dissipated into the environment.

Magnetic, and Electromagnetic currents are also affected in the same way.
When they are in the conductor these forces are coherent.  But, once let out of
the conductor they loose their coherence, and dissipate quickly.  Usually the
inverse square law of energy emissions applies to this phenomena.

I think of eddy currents as the place you don't want your current to go.

Well, unless you want to radiate it...

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 09, 2011, 07:15:34 AM
В области изучения свободной энергии существуют несколько путей для её понимания.
1. Чисто научный путь. Это более глубокое, чем традиционное, знание законов физики.
2. Интуитивное познание.  Человек делает свой прибор так, как ему подсказывает душа, Бог. То есть так, как ему приятно и  гармонично видеть свой будущий генератор энергии.
3. Метод образного понимания достижений других конструкторов - Тесла, Грицкевича, Стивена Марка.  При этом можно пытаться на уровне чувств понять картинки прибора.
4. Системный подход, когда конструктор обладает способностью комплексного видения всех трёх путей сразу.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: TEKTRON on July 09, 2011, 07:23:34 AM
В области изучения свободной энергии существуют несколько путей для её понимания.
1. Чисто научный путь. Это более глубокое, чем традиционное, знание законов физики.
2. Интуитивное познание.  Человек делает свой прибор так, как ему подсказывает душа, Бог. То есть так, как ему приятно и  гармонично видеть свой будущий генератор энергии.
3. Метод образного понимания достижений других конструкторов - Тесла, Грицкевича, Стивена Марка.  При этом можно пытаться на уровне чувств понять картинки прибора.
4. Системный подход, когда конструктор обладает способностью комплексного видения всех трёх путей сразу.

Russian to English translation:


In the field of free energy, there are several ways to understand it.
1. Purely scientific way. It's deeper than the traditional knowledge of the laws of physics.
2. Intuitive knowledge. Man makes his instrument as he tells the soul, God. That is, as he pleasantly and harmoniously to see their future power generator.
3. The method of imaginative understanding of the achievements of other designers - Tesla Gritskevich, Steven Mark. One can try to understand the level of feelings Pictures unit.
4. The systems approach, when the designer has the ability for an integrated vision of all three ways at once.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 09, 2011, 07:27:13 AM
Hi there Z monkey. Useful observations you make, regarding loss in a system. However, WHAT MAKES A WATT METER TURN? Eddy currents.

So, what are these "connected to" to provide the lever to turn the disk?

How can this be done with certainty, anytime of the day or night, anywhere in the world?

"The metallic disc  (which is aluminium)   is acted upon by two coils. One coil is connected in such a way that it produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the voltage and the other produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the current. The field of the voltage coil is delayed by 90 degrees using a lag coil.[17] This produces eddy currents in the disc and the effect is such that a force is exerted on the disc in proportion to the product of the instantaneous current and voltage. A permanent magnet exerts an opposing force proportional to the speed of rotation of the disc. The equilibrium between these two opposing forces results in the disc rotating at a speed proportional to the power being used. The disc drives a register mechanism which integrates the speed of the disc over time by counting revolutions, much like the odometer in a car, in order to render a measurement of the total energy used over a period of time."

From here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter

So, although in some instances, eddy currents are wasteful, it is only by convention. When they appear in a coil, they generate energy.

It is in fact the source of so much trouble to valves. The oscillation of the valves can innitiate on the power side, eddy currents, destroying the gate if not clamped with condensors.

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 09, 2011, 10:04:44 AM
Frankly
Good stuff!! I love your "Vision" of the Energy around us and how you explain it!
I believe it was bolt [a member here] who said "A dipole by nature is OU as long as you don't "Touch" it" [doesn't that suck].
Z's analogy and your "insight" definately paint an interesting picture!

Please be patient with those of us that Don't "see" so easily.

I'm from NYC , USA  I struggle thru life making Purpose built furniture for children with special needs,[mostly Autism and Downs syndrome].
I wish I could see the world the way you do,I know I could do a much better job if I did.

Frankly
Quote:
So, although in some instances, eddy currents are wasteful, it is only by convention. When they appear in a coil, they generate energy.


"they Generate energy"?

I like the sound of that!!
More Please.....................

Thank you
Chet

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 09, 2011, 11:28:22 AM
Hi Chet.

Yes, eddy currents are the source of energy on a macro scale.

Within the center of atoms, the unit particle swirls and dances it's signature pattern, determining the nature of the atom it forms. This dance is called vibration by modern science, for as I have said, with modern equipment, I think we only see a part of the path of the particle. This dance is/can be fractaly advanced once it's nature is understood.

Life does it without thinking. It is a part of nature.

Human ingenuity can do it too.

There is a simple pattern, a mode if you will, to allow this. It is spoken of by Ed Leedskalnin, as his "Sweet Sixteen", (4 * 4) or by Eric Dollard, who uses 1/4 wave harmonics of the nuclear magnetic resonance of the target dipole, without even realising that is what he is doing. Or, even Tesla with his rotating magnetic field. Achieved only by correct "tuning" of the oscillations and application of equal and opposite magnetic fields, locking onto the target dipole's rotation and increasing it's speed of rotation, thereby, adding E into E=MC^2.

By this manner, we can truly amplify energy. Using the "lever" that supports the existence of matter, the "Wheel-work of nature" as Tesla put it, we can increase, by an exponential amount, the input energy, delivering into a load, 10^13 times more power, for the activated mass's reactance energy, if Beardon is correct.

Does any of this make sense?

Does anyone have the capacity to do the experiments I described?

What thoughts or "aha" moments have been had?

I need feedback.

What is it that is needed? I need to "see" that people are thinking. Or else, there is no learning. Only indoctrination. This is not the way. You each have to understand the process for yourself. From your own referance point in the universe, which is unique to each. To each their own.

I am not going to "give away" 17 years of my life for someone else to squander. It is not just my sacrifice that has been made, but my family also.

So, what thoughts, reflections, apparatus, processes, will lead to a resolution that can truly be called a "group effort" which can we achieve, for everyone, and our children?.

I am actively building, but it is slow.

Without help, it is hard.

I hear that there is a large amount of people in the world, clamouring for a better path. I think I see the way. It is one of togetherness. All of us, raising our potential together, as one. Tesla said, "Let them have the now, for the future is mine". I like to think he died with a smile upon his face. A smile of knowing.

Let these people that are out there, come here. If not, let them help. Only together can we make a difference. Commercialism leads to destruction. Socialism to corruption. Religion to war. Together, we prevail. Let us be one. Together.

Let's build the device that shows this capacity....to link with the "god particle" within us all, that part of us that links us each to everyone, and all to each other in every place, every time.

A worthwhile pursuit?
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: z.monkey on July 09, 2011, 01:21:50 PM
A worthwhile pursuit?
Frankly, you have a unity based perspective...
The Oneness that I know.  Indeed, We are One...
We are all basically just bits of Gaia, like skin cells...
Goodwill to All, for All is One.  It is a true spirit based
perspective that the Dogma oriented philosophies do not
understand.  We must listen to our Mother, Gaia, and
bend to her will if we are to solve the problems that
plague us.  Contemporary solutions have run their course,
and it is time for new solutions that are really very, very
old solutions.  Energy is unlimited, everyone deserves their
equal share...
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 09, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
Frankly, you have a unity based perspective...
The Oneness that I know.  Indeed, We are One...
We are all basically just bits of Gaia, like skin cells...
Goodwill to All, for All is One.  It is a true spirit based
perspective that the Dogma oriented philosophies do not
understand.  We must listen to our Mother, Gaia, and
bend to her will if we are to solve the problems that
plague us.  Contemporary solutions have run their course,
and it is time for new solutions that are really very, very
old solutions.  Energy is unlimited, everyone deserves their
equal share...
Very correct words!
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: z.monkey on July 09, 2011, 01:44:59 PM
Very correct words!
LOL! Awesomes!

The Universe exists in the Mind of the All, All is Mind...

Goodwill to All, for All is One!
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 04:07:08 PM
I believe that when electrons are pumped into a wire it excites the surrounding either, I think eddy currents are is the either.
If you take a perforated water hose put it in a pond and run water through it, it should pull in water from the pond.
I think the magnetic field-flux is subelectron - that when the field is energized and put in motion it travels in opposing directions, when the field is released the north and south particle join creating the electron-electricity.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 05:34:13 PM
I believe the way to free energy is by tapping the field but not the circuit used to create that field, as in an LC circuit.
We have to tap the field moving through the core of a solenoid or toroid, we pulse the inductor to get energy, the lc circuit has its own oscillation, the way to do this is through crystal structure.
Maybe combining the inductor and capacitor in a vacuum, just as the only model we have the earth.
Everything we've ever done was done through the study of creation.
Look to the thunderstorm
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 05:49:58 PM
we can build circuits that can build huge amounts of potential-volts but very little amperage and amperage is what we need, its like we are only building half the generator we need a conduit for the amperage.
Watch this vid especially the last part.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

If this crystal structure were in the core of and inductor we could tap all the energy we need.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 09, 2011, 05:51:44 PM
Frankly
Quote:
A worthwhile pursuit?

Yes indeed !
Mr. you have put enough thought to paper to make my head explode!!

Just amazing!! Just oozing all manner of tidbits !I personally need to read over your posts A Lot More................. 

You asked if anyone has the ability to Experiment?
What equipment do you feel would be necessary?,and where will we start?

We are all connected ,lets connect some Dots,Perhaps then we will see the bigger picture.............

Chet
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 09, 2011, 06:04:21 PM
frankly, Thank you for starting this thread as I thought there would be a fair amount of interest.  On the way out right now and haven't read anything yet here but I'll jump in later with great interest! 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 09, 2011, 06:24:36 PM
OKay still got a few minutes and have read a little.  Comment regarding Watt meters - William Lyne in one of his books (Free Energy surprise ? ) mentions using 2 watt meters wired up in some way that resulted in reducing energy use to some apartments.   These were in addition to the existing one from the electric company.  Maybe this is related to what frankly mentioned regarding eddy currents.   
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 06:45:03 PM
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/74722/Antimatter_Spacecraft_Propulsion_the_Future_is_Now/

We know that a spark gap has some unusual properties is this the same thing that happens with a spark gap and can we put the gap inside a inductor without a core will the magnetic field of that inductor pickup the positrons emitted by the gap.
Vetty vetty interesting hmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 07:13:10 PM
bifilar with crystal core
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: z.monkey on July 09, 2011, 07:51:46 PM
Hi there Z monkey. Useful observations you make, regarding loss in a system. However, WHAT MAKES A WATT METER TURN? Eddy currents.

So, what are these "connected to" to provide the lever to turn the disk?

How can this be done with certainty, anytime of the day or night, anywhere in the world?
The coils is oriented in such a way that it provides a linear acceleration on
the disk that is proportional to the magnetic flux.  Non-ferrous metals like
aluminum and copper are resistive to magnetic flux.  If you put the center
of the coil on the edge of the aluminum disk then it can only spin one way.
Well, that is assuming the current is rectified, or the disk is omnidirectional
with a ratchet mechanism.  Yes, those are eddy currents due to the flux
resistive nature of aluminum, and the magnetic flux generated by a coil.

That "god particle" you are talking about I call aether particles, and they
are what is magnetic flux.  The most basic stuff that can be.  Literally
the canvas upon which the universe is painted...

So, although in some instances, eddy currents are wasteful, it is only by convention. When they appear in a coil, they generate energy.

In rare circumstances a coil, by itself, will go overunity.  This is due to external
energy sources.  Usually coils and transformers are exceedingly lossy.  A coil
can be stimulated by external sources to produce current, but it is limited by its
physics.  An example would be an alternator, where spinning magnet induces
current in the coil.  This could also be a number of things such as an ionized
cloud, or a lightning bolt, or fluctuating planetary magnetic fields.  Everything
is relative to the point of observation.  Inductors, by themselves, do not create
current, but when acted upon by external forces can produce substantial current.
Enough current to supply nations, or worlds...
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 09, 2011, 08:33:12 PM
Ferroelectric
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 09, 2011, 11:36:18 PM
Frankly
Quote:

What Tesla realized was that we can, much like impressing one phase of energy over another, we can impress upon this sphere, a higher order harmonic, and then, all the power of that lower order harmonic, that "pressure of the sphere", is ours to utilize, for the device we connect to it with is tuned ABOVE the ground phase of the planet, to that weaker, higher order harmonic lying on top of the planet's natural frequency....

---------------------
That sounds nice. {very nice]
Have you done this??

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 10, 2011, 02:47:30 AM
Frankly
Quote:

What Tesla realized was that we can, much like impressing one phase of energy over another, we can impress upon this sphere, a higher order harmonic, and then, all the power of that lower order harmonic, that "pressure of the sphere", is ours to utilize, for the device we connect to it with is tuned ABOVE the ground phase of the planet, to that weaker, higher order harmonic lying on top of the planet's natural frequency....

---------------------
That sounds nice. {very nice]
Have you done this??

Thanks
Chet

Hi Chet. No, not yet, but I am getting closer to a picture of what is needed to do this in my mind, and that is most of the battle....apart from the building that is!! Of course, with HAARP in the way, there would be no way to do it globaly, however, inside a faraday cage, the proof should be able to be done.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 10, 2011, 02:51:20 AM
we can build circuits that can build huge amounts of potential-volts but very little amperage and amperage is what we need, its like we are only building half the generator we need a conduit for the amperage.
Watch this vid especially the last part.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

If this crystal structure were in the core of and inductor we could tap all the energy we need.

Hi Dave. I like the way you are thinking, all that is needed now is to connect the dots. What IS amperage? How is it formed, can it have inertia?
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 10, 2011, 07:11:42 AM
The coils is oriented in such a way that it provides a linear acceleration on
the disk that is proportional to the magnetic flux.  Non-ferrous metals like
aluminum and copper are resistive to magnetic flux.  If you put the center
of the coil on the edge of the aluminum disk then it can only spin one way.
Well, that is assuming the current is rectified, or the disk is omnidirectional
with a ratchet mechanism.  Yes, those are eddy currents due to the flux
resistive nature of aluminum, and the magnetic flux generated by a coil.

That "god particle" you are talking about I call aether particles, and they
are what is magnetic flux.  The most basic stuff that can be.  Literally
the canvas upon which the universe is painted...

In rare circumstances a coil, by itself, will go overunity.  This is due to external
energy sources.  Usually coils and transformers are exceedingly lossy.  A coil
can be stimulated by external sources to produce current, but it is limited by its
physics.  An example would be an alternator, where spinning magnet induces
current in the coil.  This could also be a number of things such as an ionized
cloud, or a lightning bolt, or fluctuating planetary magnetic fields.  Everything
is relative to the point of observation.  Inductors, by themselves, do not create
current, but when acted upon by external forces can produce substantial current.
Enough current to supply nations, or worlds...

Hi Z.monkey. I wish I could agree with your breakdown of the watt meter, but I can't.

The coils are not aligned with the edge of the disk, they are pointing at the face, the one, for amperage use, faces the one for voltage level. These produce an eddy current as a standing wave, which travels, like a spinning top upon a table, through the disk at right angles to the applied electric force until they meet the permanent magnet, where they are drained away. In this draining away, the exert pressure upon the disk, turning it.

If the energy used to generate these were truly equal on either side, no net movement of the disk would occur, but an oscillating motion would occur instead, and, if you look into the early designs of these, this is exactly what you will find. And. yes, ratcheting devices were employed.

There are still some smaller Eddy currents formed in the opposing direction, which act to stop the disks rotation, which is why they need two permanent magnets, but these are small compared to the others, and the magnets are movable, and as such, afford callibration, done on site with a known load.

If you like, I can show you the internals of one I have here, that I spent many hours meditating upon to solve their operation process.

Also, I have here a rather large permanent magnet and some magnetic viewing film, which I can demonstrate to you with that, rather than being deflected by aluminium, the flux path is NOT shifted, but becomes attached to the dipoles of the aluminium at right angles. This means when approaching, or moving sideways, the aluminium disk, there is no apparent "stickyness". However, upon pulling away the disk with speed, along the same plane as the flux path, there is a vaccum felt, rather like pulling a solid disk from the surface of the water.

This would be rather harder to demonstrate, as I do not have a sensitive force meter. However, an experiment could be contrived if need be.

However, I suggest that my energies could be better spent, and any questions you have that seem to not align with your personal learning, you get the tools to experiment yourself to determine the facts.

As to that, I wonder, has anyone done the experiment with the counterwound primary coils energised from the mains yet?

How about any of the other things..

As I said, I can describe to you proof experiments, but it is up to each of you to do these things yourself, to "see" the truth. If, perhaps, I am wrong, I will revisit the example, to find the problem. I am often wrong, and shoot from the hip sometimes, but that keeps me humble. I think!

The facts are simple to see. Such as the "right hand rule" being a convention rather than a fact.

A place to start would be there. Proving to yourselves, that energy as it is today, whatever the source, is fractured and incomplete and can never provide the required magnetic signature to "find the method" of converting high voltage to low amperage, as Tesla did with ease.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 10, 2011, 08:38:21 AM
Обычные трансформаторы переменного тока, использующие круглую проволоку, имеют большие потери энергии. Также они имеют низкий коэффициент мощности (большое реактивное сопротивление) и большой вес. Это  очень существенные недостатки для космической технологии.
Трансформаторы постоянного тока (это трансформаторы Мотовилова) таких недостатков не имеют
Conventional  AC transformers that use a round wire, have large energy losses. They also have low power (high reactance), and a lot of weight. This is a very significant disadvantages for space technology.

DC transformers (transformers of Motovilov), such deficiencies do not have:


http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#58 (http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#)
http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#66 (http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#66)
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 10, 2011, 10:25:25 AM
Ok.

This is something I found a while back. Apparently, the output of the generator is 6 watts maximum @ 80 volts. I don't know what the losses are in the transformer, but apparently he is driving the primary with oscillating DC.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTZkiPRGQg

I have asked a few people now what they think the energy needed to sustain a plasma field inside the globe is, with no response.

Any input from here would be appreciated.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 10, 2011, 10:54:05 AM
I can not translate, so I am assuming that your English is the translation, the adverts are not very informative for me.

The transformers used are 'auto-transformers" since they are based on a single conductive layer split into different length's.

Tom Webb
Преобразователь в целом содержит трансформатор и автотрансформатор:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=9421028&KC=&FT=E (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=9421028&KC=&FT=E)
http://www.ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_7/electricity_732.shtml (http://www.ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_7/electricity_732.shtml)

The known power source comprises input (G1,T) and output (G2,T) converter components with LT and MT converter cells, and T >/= O galvanic cross coupling conversion transformers with bifilar windings (2, 9, 12, 16, 20, 22, 24, 26, 29); LO >/= 2 and MO >/= 2 converter cells are based on "Motovilov's transformers" and direct current power transformers each containing two symmetrical groups of windings and rectifiers, including some to effect pulse control of the direct current in the direct current power transformers. In order to reduce the effect of pulse and alternating current in the windings of the direct current power transformers and cross coupling conversion transformers on the leakage inductance Ls in the windings, and thereby also improve the source frequency characteristics, the function of cross coupling and voltage conversion in the source are split between the cross coupling conversion transformers (with a transfer factor of 1 and correspondingly lower Ls levels) and the direct current power transformers introduced for that purpose at G1,1 and G2,1 and intended for use with direct current (2, 9, 22, 24, 29); LO and MO converter cells with direct current power transformers for work with direct current are connected in a special multi-cell circuit characterized by voltage levels Y = 1+2<L>0<(M>0<)> at the circuit, the total power of all the converter cells being P < 2P1 where P1 is the power of the first converter cell; the purpose of the said circuit is to ensure smooth adjustment of the source output voltage without pulse current at the source output or in the direct current power transformers. It is further proposed that there should be a connection L1 >/= 2 and M1 >/= 2 of the converter cells in the multi-cell circuit shown (12, 16).
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: forest on July 10, 2011, 03:06:14 PM
MotovilovDN

Would be much easier if you had this patent translated to English.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 10, 2011, 03:22:58 PM
MotovilovDN

Would be much easier if you had this patent translated to English.
Yes...
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Doug1 on July 10, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
Hello Frankly
 It has taken a couple weeks to get back here with enough time to read your thread. Very interesting thoughts ,inspirational even. Im sory you feel you were ignored in the past. In such a forum as this I think you may find some comfort if you consider you people have to stay focussed in order to reach conclussions even if they are going to be failed in the results. Learning by experience is how discoveries are found like when things go unexpectedly wrong but something new is found instead.
 I did'nt know thinking in pictures was condition nor that others thought differently. If nothing ells that was information worth the time spent reading this entire thread. It will be helpful to me in comunicating with others later on. Maybe when my wife wants help around the house she should draw a picture then I might here her lol.
 Back to your minds eye. It seems if any of this is possible a working provable model ,one which would be of practical use not just a toy could be produced with out to much trouble from stuff laying around. With little more then a magnet a tranformer and proper windings and diodes a simple method could be contrived to extract from a partially saturated core by over lacing it with small external alternating wave if properly wound to only extract from the perm magnetic feild with out drawing off any energy fromm the oscillation directly. I know I have seen motors speed up when a magnet placed in contact with a motor but not any amazing level just a little bit. If there were an additional winding center tapped and diode blocked at the ends seems it should deliver a positive from both outside ends of the winding with the return path being the center tap while operating a typical load of the ac signal without any effect on the primary signal side used as an oscilator.Leaving one to comon rail the pos's + or to run back through to the center tap which if it works would simple grow in voltage and not short out untill it grows large enough to exceed the limits of the core and melts.
 Crued quick and simple,beyound that there are thousands of improvements and tricks that could be employed to make it work better and reduce it's size physically. Where the windings go will not be sensable by conventional terms becuase it should not work if classical theories are correct. You cant drain a high preasure from a container into a low preasure and expect the low preasure to also maintain the high preasure with out expending energy to operate a pump to increase the low preasure to fill back the high preasure. Maybe the placement of the pump in the system is the trick.
 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 10, 2011, 07:24:45 PM
Hello Frankly
 It has taken a couple weeks to get back here with enough time to read your thread. Very interesting thoughts ,inspirational even. Im sory you feel you were ignored in the past. In such a forum as this I think you may find some comfort if you consider you people have to stay focussed in order to reach conclussions even if they are going to be failed in the results. Learning by experience is how discoveries are found like when things go unexpectedly wrong but something new is found instead.
 I did'nt know thinking in pictures was condition nor that others thought differently. If nothing ells that was information worth the time spent reading this entire thread. It will be helpful to me in comunicating with others later on. Maybe when my wife wants help around the house she should draw a picture then I might here her lol.
 Back to your minds eye. It seems if any of this is possible a working provable model ,one which would be of practical use not just a toy could be produced with out to much trouble from stuff laying around. With little more then a magnet a tranformer and proper windings and diodes a simple method could be contrived to extract from a partially saturated core by over lacing it with small external alternating wave if properly wound to only extract from the perm magnetic feild with out drawing off any energy fromm the oscillation directly. I know I have seen motors speed up when a magnet placed in contact with a motor but not any amazing level just a little bit. If there were an additional winding center tapped and diode blocked at the ends seems it should deliver a positive from both outside ends of the winding with the return path being the center tap while operating a typical load of the ac signal without any effect on the primary signal side used as an oscilator.Leaving one to comon rail the pos's + or to run back through to the center tap which if it works would simple grow in voltage and not short out untill it grows large enough to exceed the limits of the core and melts.
 Crued quick and simple,beyound that there are thousands of improvements and tricks that could be employed to make it work better and reduce it's size physically. Where the windings go will not be sensable by conventional terms becuase it should not work if classical theories are correct. You cant drain a high preasure from a container into a low preasure and expect the low preasure to also maintain the high preasure with out expending energy to operate a pump to increase the low preasure to fill back the high preasure. Maybe the placement of the pump in the system is the trick.
 

Hi Doug1. Good to have you here. I think that your type of thinking is exactly what is needed. In order to build a transformer to "heal" the energy we get from the wall, and start the pump, a new method of winding coils is needed.

This year I decided to simply do this myself as it seemed no - one was willing to help. I went out and bought an oscilliscope and a signal generator and am now waiting on getting a H bridge. The fact is though, if I had more time, I could do without all that guff I think.

I have here, a few coils off different things, and a few hand made ones, and was out playing the other day, (stole an afternoon), and, after testing some different things, placed a core piece with pulsed DC fed to a coil over it, inside another core with some turns of fine, can't remember how many, and watched the scope trace of the induction pick-up.

As can be appreciated, the pulsed DC was a little hashy. It is from a small generator. I was noting the differences when the primary coil's power supply was reversed, and also when the core was inverted in the secondary. The "hash" part of the signal moved to various quadrature points on the trace, according to the orientation.

The most interesting part of this whole exercise was that, over the top of the secondary I have another wind. A single wrap of coarse wire. Now, when I joined the ends of this wind, the signal in the secondary, which almost matched the primary input signal strength, if I remember correctly, lost some of it's energy, almost half I think. However, the trace smoothed right out. In fact, I could almost describe it as purely sinusoidal.

I have not had time to test this signal for magnetic strength.

However, I do feel it is possible to orient a transformer correctly to furnish the right signal. Be careful using diodes though, and caps. These elements are designed to prevent what I am trying to convey.

I have to go or I will be late for work again.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 10, 2011, 09:29:59 PM
I like Newmans analogy of the magnetic field in that there are spinning particles exiting the magnet, only Newman says there is only one domain, that I dont agree with, there are definitely two moving in opposite directions, thats why when passing a magnet in front of a coil you get ac current no matter which pole is facing the coil.

That being said if you pass a magnet past a wire, when the n field crosses the wire you get current in one direction but as the magnet rolls over and the s passes the same wire you get current in the other direction, if you take two springs wound in opposite directions and bring to bear on a wire you can see how this works, a very simple test but very effective.

All we are doing in any gernerator is using the wires to collect the field, I think there can be overunity there, but it is a very very balanced situation.

We need to find a better way and that way is to trap the field, as the field moves through a medium when the field is turned off the medium needs to keep the field from dissolving and focus it onto an electrode to be collected, the only thing that can accomplish this that I know of is a crystal configuration-structure.

We need to leave the old paradigm and find another way.
David
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 10, 2011, 10:31:19 PM
when particles leave the magnet they disperse into a wide field and thats where we try to collect them with coils of wire,
but if we could collect them in the core could you imagine the power that could be collected all the field concentrated into an electrode or electrodes.
when we can pull the heat out of a system in the form of current the system should go into a superconductive state the energy would be tremendous, more than we could ever need.
magnetic evaporation would add to this effect and help drive the system.

It can be done
This is the way.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 11, 2011, 12:26:37 AM
Dave
"it can be done"?

I like the sound of that ! Has this been done ?any research or data to indicate the possibility?

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 11, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
research - yes
data - not yet


Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 02:16:17 AM
I like Newmans analogy of the magnetic field in that there are spinning particles exiting the magnet, only Newman says there is only one domain, that I dont agree with, there are definitely two moving in opposite directions, thats why when passing a magnet in front of a coil you get ac current no matter which pole is facing the coil.

That being said if you pass a magnet past a wire, when the n field crosses the wire you get current in one direction but as the magnet rolls over and the s passes the same wire you get current in the other direction, if you take two springs wound in opposite directions and bring to bear on a wire you can see how this works, a very simple test but very effective.

All we are doing in any gernerator is using the wires to collect the field, I think there can be overunity there, but it is a very very balanced situation.

We need to find a better way and that way is to trap the field, as the field moves through a medium when the field is turned off the medium needs to keep the field from dissolving and focus it onto an electrode to be collected, the only thing that can accomplish this that I know of is a crystal configuration-structure.

We need to leave the old paradigm and find another way.
David

Hi David. Good to see you here.

There are a few points I would like to raise with your statements though. Firstly, the dipolar domain. For solid form to exist as seperate from the aether, it must be equally charged. North and South, together in an infinite dance. This does not mean it is two domains, it is simply that, if it were possible to pick up the torroid of charge and examine it, it would appear to spin clockwise at the top, and anticlockwise at the bottom. When looking from the top, the spinning charge appears to enter the center of the torroid from the left, and leave from the right as the whole thing spins, and vice verce for the bottom, with a blurred Bloch wall at the center and at the hemispehere of the two charges, where the vortex links to the rest of the universe.  This flux path from the center leaves the torroid from the top and bottom, pushed out by the "strong nuclear force" and comes in at the sides, the "weak nuclear force". Read Nassim Harramein's stuff for referance, and Marco Rodin.

The key to unlocking this process lies with orientation.

Now, as to moving a magnet pole past a wire. The action of a single pole's flux path interaction with a wire does not form AC, your next statement, of North and South, does. However, not seperately.

One pole forms one charge in the wire as it approaches, by virtue of it having it's flux axis rotation fixed in space, and a space of charge to fill. As the magnet moves away, this charge is inverted by the opposing flux path direction, which fills the hole. This may be called AC, but is not alternating in polarity, for it is the same pole of the magnet delivering both charges. Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed.

AC is formed by the approach of both poles together upon either side of the wire. Forming negative potential, or an area of positive charge. These pole peices are then moved away, leaving an area of charge by putting a diode in the way, and delivering amperage by connecting the other end of the wire to the load, and leaving in the pole pieces, an attraction force known as Lenz's law. This ensures any Eddy Current which forms remains locked in the stator. Control of this current is achieved with a power regulator.

Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed either, as the load cannot "see" the Eddy Current.

(Tesla called this Eddy the "fundamental frequency" and found that the primary coil could not hold a current which spun faster than this primary one).

Anyway, I think that I have probably said enough for a start, I will leave it up to everyone here to go test the statements I have made if they wish, and form their own conclusions, and deliver feedback rather than making statements which do not appear to be based upon experimental results. No offense intended David. It is just that what you have repeated seems to be text book theory, and is not what is to be found in the real world, as simple experiments will show.

I am ready to help with experiments and testing procedures if needed.

Just ask.

But I would like to see that people are thinking before i keep going, otherwise the further statements I make will be lost in dis-belief.

Frankly.

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 11, 2011, 04:38:01 AM
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Hi David. Good to see you here.

Thanks glad to be here,

 
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There are a few points I would like to raise with your statements though. Firstly, the dipolar domain. For solid form to exist as seperate from the aether, it must be equally charged. North and South, together in an infinite dance. This does not mean it is two domains, it is simply that, if it were possible to pick up the torroid of charge and examine it, it would appear to spin clockwise at the top, and anticlockwise at the bottom. When looking from the top, the spinning charge appears to enter the center of the torroid from the left, and leave from the right as the whole thing spins, and vice verce for the bottom, with a blurred Bloch wall at the center and at the hemispehere of the two charges, where the vortex links to the rest of the universe.  This flux path from the center leaves the torroid from the top and bottom, pushed out by the "strong nuclear force" and comes in at the sides, the "weak nuclear force". Read Nassim Harramein's stuff for referance, and Marco Rodin.

The key to unlocking this process lies with orientation.

Im sure you'v thought this through, but in my studies Iv found that if you take a spring that is wound to the right no matter the orientation it will appear to spin to the right and the same with a spring wound to the left, it can be deceiving if you dont have both in front of you to study.
It also appears in nature, quartz crystalls have both but the one's harvested are always, well in most cases a right hand twist.

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Now, as to moving a magnet pole past a wire. The action of a single pole's flux path interaction with a wire does not form AC, your next statement, of North and South, does. However, not seperately.
I agree not seperatly for in a magnet you have two poles a both ends one moving into the magnet face and one moving away, Im sorry but I dont subscribe to the bloch wall theory that would imply that the pole of the electron or particle whatever we want to call it flips poles half way through the magnet I just dont see that happening.

So what is the bloch wall it has been observed, I think it is a counter rotation that happens in the middle of the magnet close to the magnet where the fields are weaker.

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One pole forms one charge in the wire as it approaches, by virtue of it having it's flux axis rotation fixed in space, and a space of charge to fill. As the magnet moves away, this charge is inverted by the opposing flux path direction, which fills the hole. This may be called AC, but is not alternating in polarity, for it is the same pole of the magnet delivering both charges. Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed.

AC is formed by the approach of both poles together upon either side of the wire. Forming negative potential, or an area of positive charge. These pole peices are then moved away, leaving an area of charge by putting a diode in the way, and delivering amperage by connecting the other end of the wire to the load, and leaving in the pole pieces, an attraction force known as Lenz's law. This ensures any Eddy Current which forms remains locked in the stator. Control of this current is achieved with a power regulator.

Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed either, as the load cannot "see" the Eddy Current.

So what does rectifying a current do well we are running a ac charge through a crystal that allows only the right hand twist to move through we cut our voltage and current in half.
Leedskalnin said we only use one pole and he's correct by rectifying a circuit we loose one pole.
I dont think rectifying an ac charge creates true dc as the dc in a battery.


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(Tesla called this Eddy the "fundamental frequency" and found that the primary coil could not hold a current which spun faster than this primary one).

Anyway, I think that I have probably said enough for a start, I will leave it up to everyone here to go test the statements I have made if they wish, and form their own conclusions, and deliver feedback rather than making statements which do not appear to be based upon experimental results. No offense intended David. It is just that what you have repeated seems to be text book theory, and is not what is to be found in the real world, as simple experiments will show.

No offense taken, but I said I had no data that I care to release but that doesnt mean that I havent been experimenting.

Also another observation I would like to bring to your attention is the statement by science that the electric field runs ninety degrees to the magnetic field, this is simply not true, and here's an experiment that will show you whats happening if you put a ball on the end of a string walking forward to emulate the spin and direction and release the ball it will move away ninety degrees to the direction of travel, that gives the impression that the electric field is ninety degrees to the mag field but it isnt.

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I am ready to help with experiments and testing procedures if needed.

Just ask.

But I would like to see that people are thinking before i keep going, otherwise the further statements I make will be lost in dis-belief.

Frankly.
I think together we can dispel the miths and find the answer the world needs.
David
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: BobTEW on July 11, 2011, 06:05:37 AM
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« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2011, 04:08:18 PM »QuoteThe magnet-iron oxide here is the total picture cut in half;the wild clown. White eyes are the photon pulse; white light energy. Blue color is the cold figure eight FLOW of the "electrons"; the repel-push of the magnet. The red ruby and nose is one of the center dark energy GRAVITY rings {there is three of them}. The yellow plates at the corner of eyes are same seen on Saturn's North Pole; ah the power of spin! The flair out at the ears is the Aurora's. The last remaining yellow hot resistive lines is the attaction part of the magnet.



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Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 10:21:56 AM


I agree not seperatly for in a magnet you have two poles a both ends one moving into the magnet face and one moving away, Im sorry but I dont subscribe to the bloch wall theory that would imply that the pole of the electron or particle whatever we want to call it flips poles half way through the magnet I just dont see that happening.



I am not too sure what you mean there Dave. Could you expand or clarify please?

I meant, that with one wire, if you wave the end of a magnet toward the wire, you get energy, and as you go past and out the other side, you get the inverse. Not the reverse, for that would be South pole energy, or what comes from rotating the magnet past the single wire. This is called pulsed DC I think. Correct me if I am wrong please.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 10:41:06 AM
May be that will help for understand to magnet`s wave process:
In my Russian application for an invention used by BTG mechanism for the formationof monopoles, which is now modeled by physicists in Switzerland:

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html (http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html)

Magnetic monopoles have been predicted to occur as emergent fractional quasiparticles inside pyrochlore spin ice, a frustrated magnetic insulator. Experimental signatures of such emergent monopoles accompanied by Dirac strings have been detected by means of neutron scattering in reciprocal space in pyrochlore spin ice at sub-Kelvin temperatures, but their real-space observation has remained elusive. Here we report on direct, real-space observations of emergent monopoles and their associated Dirac strings in two-dimensional (2D) artificial kagome spin ice at room temperature using synchrotron X-ray photoemission electron microscopy. Magnetization reversal proceeds through the nucleation and avalanche-type dissociation of monopole–antimonopole pairs along 1D Dirac strings. This is in sharp contrast to conventional domain growth in 2D systems, providing a striking example of dimensional reduction due to frustration. The observed hysteresis, monopole densities and 1D Dirac-string avalanches are quantitatively explained by Monte Carlo simulations.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 11:14:41 AM
May be that will help for understand to magnet`s wave process:
In my Russian application for an invention used by BTG mechanism for the formationof monopoles, which is now modeled by physicists in Switzerland:

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html (http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html)

Magnetic monopoles have been predicted to occur as emergent fractional quasiparticles inside pyrochlore spin ice, a frustrated magnetic insulator. Experimental signatures of such emergent monopoles accompanied by Dirac strings have been detected by means of neutron scattering in reciprocal space in pyrochlore spin ice at sub-Kelvin temperatures, but their real-space observation has remained elusive. Here we report on direct, real-space observations of emergent monopoles and their associated Dirac strings in two-dimensional (2D) artificial kagome spin ice at room temperature using synchrotron X-ray photoemission electron microscopy. Magnetization reversal proceeds through the nucleation and avalanche-type dissociation of monopole–antimonopole pairs along 1D Dirac strings. This is in sharp contrast to conventional domain growth in 2D systems, providing a striking example of dimensional reduction due to frustration. The observed hysteresis, monopole densities and 1D Dirac-string avalanches are quantitatively explained by Monte Carlo simulations.


Hi MotovilovDN.

We have not spoken before, nor have I had much time to absorb the higher order mechanics you are obviously conversant with. I will, however, endeavour to if you wish. As a beginning, I looked up your previous links, which I absorbed a little of, and the recent post, which enlightened me a little more.

Then, I saw this last post and dived right in, only to get to here........"In pyrochlore spin ice, the monopole–antimonopole pairs are connected by a string of overturned dipoles, which is often called a Dirac string6, 19, 20, 21. In this context, the Dirac string is understood as a physical 1D object that feeds magnetic flux into the volume elements where the monopoles reside. The string was originally conceived by Dirac as a singular line in the vector potential, to describe the quantum motion of an electron in the (classical) field of a magnetic monopole".

Now, I think I touched upon the absurdity of using straight lines to explain circular motion earlier, but this does better justice.

How, in what manner, can the monopoles described "feed flux into the elements where the monopoles reside"???? Via the Dirac string which is the result of the monopoles? This seems to me, a layman, like an oxymoron. An abberation. A self negating statement.

In other words, bullshit.

Sure it is wrapped in chocolate, but nevertheless, it sure tastes the same once bitten into.

Take, for example, the emergance of the the proton, from the interaction in the model from the first link. Where does this come from? "Created"??? From the colission? More of the same, I think.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense yet.

Perhaps I am missing something fundamental.

Or else, you are.

Frankly.

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
Hi, Frankly.  Yes, that is very difficult, big scientific task...   
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
Hi, Frankly.  Yes, that is very difficult, big scientific task...   

My friend. It is not difficult. The reasons put forth do not make sense, and so, need to be replaced.

Vectors cannot describe arcs.

Simple.

Quaternions were originally used, and referred to by Tesla in his work. Only with circular motion, can the rotation path of the Eddy currents formed be described. Only with circles can matter be resolved. There is no reason to match the masses of the wide, short primary wind, with the long, narrow secondary, apart from the fact that the tail of the Eddy current, before it loops upon itself, intersects with the secondary, delivering momentum to the impressed voltage and amperage at the load, thereby retaining and sustaining the standing wave motion within the primary and allowing the power generated to be removed from the secondary without effecting the primary, providing certain limits are maintained.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 11:57:03 AM
It's just another road. The specifics of your own links with universe.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 12:53:46 PM
It's just another road. The specifics of your own links with universe.

On my way to bed, but I have to respond.

Please, prove that assertion. Someone with your credentials, surely cannot simply sit back and say, "that is how it is in my world, you live in yours" without explaining your position and supporting your thought forms with logical explanations. I have given you mine. What are your supporting arguments for your "reality" as you know it? Describe your "truth" so that we all may understand.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 01:22:54 PM

    To do this, read my book The theory of energy flows. It is available in the Library of Congress. In Russian, unfortunately ..
http://prs-rover.narod.ru/biblitek/motov_1.html (http://prs-rover.narod.ru/biblitek/motov_1.html)

http://bolshoyforum.org/wiki/index.php/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0 (http://bolshoyforum.org/wiki/index.php/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0)
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: ramset on July 11, 2011, 02:28:00 PM
MotovilovDN

Since Frankly is probably Snoozing right now,I would like to ask a Question?

Most things can be simplified to a few words,
Whats your book about??[the "Meat" ,not the potatoes]

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 02:44:31 PM
This is a new theory of electricity, which could not complete Maxwell.
New laws Ohm, Kirchhoff. The new theorem Poynting (Motovilov). The opening of the second type of energy flows of electromagnetic fields, which were previously considered physically impossible.

These discoveries have been certified by the recognition in Geneva (Silver Medal 1996) and Tokyo (Symposium 1989, I have also defended dissertation in the academic council VEI, Moscow).

Development of the scheme of collecting energy from the environment such flows of energy (fuel-less generation against second law of thermodynamics).

I currently have a patent in Germany covering almost all global production of these generators - Perendev, Gamma, Kapanadze, Melnichenko, Gritskevich etc.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 11, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
The problem with science is that they overcomplicate .
Its really very simple
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 05:20:48 PM
The problem with science is that they overcomplicate .
Its really very simple
Agreed.
There are an unscientific ways, even religious, or experiential.
They are methods of Testatiki and some also methods  of Tesla.
Roads a lot, but they all lead to one goal. I already wrote about this earlier today.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 11, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
My friend. It is not difficult. The reasons put forth do not make sense, and so, need to be replaced.

Vectors cannot describe arcs.

Simple.

Quaternions were originally used, and referred to by Tesla in his work. Only with circular motion, can the rotation path of the Eddy currents formed be described. Only with circles can matter be resolved. There is no reason to match the masses of the wide, short primary wind, with the long, narrow secondary, apart from the fact that the tail of the Eddy current, before it loops upon itself, intersects with the secondary, delivering momentum to the impressed voltage and amperage at the load, thereby retaining and sustaining the standing wave motion within the primary and allowing the power generated to be removed from the secondary without effecting the primary, providing certain limits are maintained.

Frankly.


Making note of this for myself and maybe others in case anyone skimmed over this.  Sounds like a path to OU.  I believe you are also saying it is important for the weight or mass of the secondary and primary to be equal? 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: frankly on July 11, 2011, 07:26:09 PM
Hi Motovilov.

Sorry, but you seem to be avoiding the questions put to you. Either you can describe how you think I am wrong, and where, with facts and your theories, or you cannot.

You say there is a patent? Please, post a copy here, in English, so we all may understand the nuts and bolts of your thoughts.

I think I asked you earlier, to describe your theory. Simply stating that it is established with medals somewhere or other, does not do this.

I have been pouring out my 13 years of research here, in a free and open manner, trying to put forth the reasons behind what I see, and explaining the workings of things as I see them.

Yet, there you sit, in the background, with god knows what resources, perhaps gleaning what you can, developing new theories from the words of others, so that you can pass them off as your own?

No. Not anymore. I am done. There has been no feedback, no conversation into the methods we could use, only one device design put forth, and just me, explaining away, thinking this is the way it is done, and then people like you come along, a MODERATOR of the forum, and refuse to elaborate on your own ideas?

I feared this would be the case.

If you do find it within yourself to freely share the truth, as I have done, that would be great. If not, well. Each to their own. We will all know then, who you are.

As to everyone else here, I will continue to read the posts for a little while, but until the time comes when science and research is once more done freely and openly, for the advancement of the human race, based upon logic and reason and not twisted bullshit that doesn't make sense, in order to deceive and confuse those that would understand and as a whole entity and not for capitalist ends, I am gone.

Frankly.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 11, 2011, 08:17:16 PM
My experience over 40 years, says the following:

There is no other way of knowing my work, like reading the original.
Unfortunately, it is in Russian. However, I laid him open to you.

If I was lecturing in the U.S., then I would be a good translator and I could teach a lot of people. It's true.

If you want me to explain to you here the whole point in a nutshell, this is impossible. I think you and myself know this: because very few people here understand your reasoning as well as you own.

German patent here I also did not show, there is this reason.
I think that what little has already posted earlier today, in any case will be useful to know.

However, I am always glad to your success and willing to answer questions that may have here a clear answer to you.
Sincerely - Motovilov
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 12, 2011, 02:06:43 PM
However, I want to note that the idea of ​​participation of eddy currents in the studied processes, and how I personally understand it - in the formation of a magnetic monopole, is certainly a new and fruitful!
I would like to express my sincere gratitude for the development of the Frankli ideas and the creation of threads in our forum. Regret that remain unknown to his real name and biography.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 12, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
What I think electricity is......
If we have two fields running through a magnet in opposite directions with obvious reversed polarity, what would happen when the field stops.
I would think the two opposite particles would attract each other and combine.
This would create a larger particle-electron, that cant go through just anything and can be collected.
I have some pics on my other computer that I will upload later, Iv posted here before,but since removed because of space requirements.

I think we'v over complicated the system, when man wanted to fly it was so hard to do but when we found out how it was so simple.
Study creation that's where the answers are,

Something else I wanted to bring up there is a third particle in a magnetic field there are three fields the other particle may, has to be neutral.
 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 12, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
They have a name for this it slips my mind at the moment, something .. pairs, anyway more research more testing.

check out a crt tube very interesting the way it works.

cooper pairs thats it , they are said to be two electrons but I think they are not electrons until combined.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
My experience over 40 years, says the following:

There is no other way of knowing my work, like reading the original.
Unfortunately, it is in Russian. However, I laid him open to you.

If I was lecturing in the U.S., then I would be a good translator and I could teach a lot of people. It's true.

If you want me to explain to you here the whole point in a nutshell, this is impossible. I think you and myself know this: because very few people here understand your reasoning as well as you own.

German patent here I also did not show, there is this reason.
I think that what little has already posted earlier today, in any case will be useful to know.

However, I am always glad to your success and willing to answer questions that may have here a clear answer to you.
Sincerely - Motovilov

Motovilov,  Do you have your documents that you posted here in Word (.doc) format or some other format which could be run through Google translator?  If you do have them in a format that can be more easily translated I'll be glad to do that.  If not I'll take a shot at it anyway but I think it's going to need a good OCR program to get them translated from the image based .djvu format but I'll give that a try too if nothing else is available. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 12, 2011, 05:59:09 PM
Motovilov,  Do you have your documents that you posted here in Word (.doc) format or some other format which could be run through Google translator?  If you do have them in a format that can be more easily translated I'll be glad to do that.  If not I'll take a shot at it anyway but I think it's going to need a good OCR program to get them translated from the image based .djvu format but I'll give that a try too if nothing else is available.
Вы русский с форума Матрикс? Мне интересно, потому что там я бывал.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 06:02:07 PM
Вы русский с форума Матрикс? Мне интересно, потому что там я бывал.
No.  I've seen that forum also but no relationship other than similarity in name. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 12, 2011, 06:08:53 PM
One moment... Wanted :)    That`s short version of  my book. See appl. file.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 06:30:20 PM
MotovilovDN,  Thank You - I tried running it through Google translate as a .doc just now but it couldn't do it.  However when I ran one page (page 3 ) through it worked okay.  I think the Title page was giving Google translate a problem.  I'll get it converted even if it's page by page so might take a while.  Thanks again for sharing that in Word format.   
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 12, 2011, 06:34:53 PM
Please[/size], I'm glad this excellent initiative.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
Please[/size], I'm glad this excellent initiative.

I'm having some trouble with Google translate.  It gets about half way through and then goes back to Russian language.  I've tried coverting to PDF, HTML as well as the .doc but Google is choking on it.  I had to take out some of the borders and boxes surrounding the text to get it to even start.  Best so far I've got is about 2/3 of the way.  Still working on it to hopefully get all the text.  I'm sure I can get all the text eventually but may lose some of the nice formatting and some images may not be quite right.  Someone could use the original though to view the images. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
I finally got a full translation but the formatting is poor.  However it will be readable enough and with the original one can see the formatting and formulas.  I think most of the formulas will even be okay in the translation.  I'll upload it as a PDF in just a little while after I clean up some junk Google translate left. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 12, 2011, 07:45:35 PM
I think that now we have a tremendous achievement as the first time opens the possibility of knowing the "Theory of flows of energy"  for the Western world.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 12, 2011, 07:58:46 PM
Ok if we have three fields a neutron - proton -electron could electricity be considered a form of matter?

Also there is in theory what are called holes, well if its the same in the micro as in the macro then it could be called back-draft in other words if you move a car down a highway it creates a draft behind it, like siphoning water through a hose.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 12, 2011, 08:19:20 PM
Speaking of holes there's an experiment I been wanting to try, in an alternator there are three windings that are all connected at one end then the other ends are connected to the fwbr.
What i was thinking if an antenna were connected to the three ends that are connected together would it pull in more electrons using the back-draft or holes.
So much to do.
Dave
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 12, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
I think that now we have a tremendous achievement as the first time opens the possibility of knowing the "Theory of flows of energy"  for the Western world.

I apologize for how rough this translated formatting is but I will upload this now for anyone waiting.  I have also converted it back to Word .doc format and am trying to clean up a few more things.  I'll upload that later.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 12, 2011, 09:14:51 PM
Thanks e2matrix
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: forest on July 12, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
Prana and Akasha.
Matter is empty place in Akasha (ether) which is oscillating (and may also rotate). Movement or flow in Akasha is called Prana (life force).
There are various movements/flows,we  even don't know all types yet.

How is matter formed : two Prana waves from opposite places of Universe meet and formulate standing balanced wave - an bubble in Akasha. Oscillating - this is mass, but we can see it only when moves and then it is momentum and energy for us.Moving means imbalance : one of Prana waves is changing form and standing wave (particle) moves .
There is no energy in matter - it moves because of that change of Prana wave due to interaction with Akasha (ether) flows and other matter in Universe.

Oh,sorry, I couldn't resist to post some my thoughts...
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Qwert on July 13, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
Prana and Akasha.
http://www.maharishiphotos.com/lecture55.html
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 13, 2011, 01:19:32 AM
This image is from a crt I believe it is the electron being formed from the magnetic field
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 13, 2011, 01:21:11 AM
closeup, I thought I had a better image somewhere hmmm
anyway the upper portion is the magnetic field and the combination of the particles and path of the electron can be seen.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 13, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
I apologize for how rough this translated formatting is but I will upload this now for anyone waiting.  I have also converted it back to Word .doc format and am trying to clean up a few more things.  I'll upload that later.
Thank you very much, e2matrix. Also put my edited version of the original to this translation for all users.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 13, 2011, 04:06:29 AM
Hi MotovilovDN,  I was at this most of the day and finally have a much much better translation in PDF and also Word .Doc format.  I see you just put up an edit.  I have not looked at that yet but the two files I finished now are much better and closer to the original in formatting than the one I uploaded earlier today.  You might take a look at them also to compare to the new one you edited. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 13, 2011, 04:13:24 AM
Thank you very much, e2matrix. Also put my edited version of the original to this translation for all users.

MotovilovDN,  The one you just uploaded is in Russian.  The ones I just uploaded were a translation of the one I got earlier today.  Would it be best to translate the new one you just put up?  If that one is an improved version I will gladly translate it also now that I have the procedure down it would only take me a few minutes.   The new setup I have keeps the formatting much better. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 13, 2011, 04:20:37 AM
MotovilovDN,  The one you just uploaded is in Russian.  The ones I just uploaded were a translation of the one I got earlier today.  Would it be best to translate the new one you just put up?  If that one is an improved version I will gladly translate it also now that I have the procedure down it would only take me a few minutes.   The new setup I have keeps the formatting much better.
Yes, would it be best to translate the new one.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 13, 2011, 04:35:59 AM
Yes, would it be best to translate the new one.

Okay I got those done.  I'll upload those here.  Would it be best to delete the previous ones?  I think I saw what you added in to this new edit and I assume it might be best if I deleted the ones above.  Just let me know. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: e2matrix on July 13, 2011, 04:42:24 AM
I deleted the earlier ones as I saw no one had downloaded them yet.  I wanted to take care of that before my chance to edit the post timed out.  If there is any reason you would like them (your pre-edit documents) uploaded again I an do that but it is my assumption you will just want the latest one available which you edited.  They are still not perfect in formatting but are much better than the one I put up early today. 
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on July 13, 2011, 05:07:30 PM
Coils are the generator, they produce a field that organizes and puts in motion the either, that can be collected, but we have to use a different approach to collect the field. Coils are very inefficient at collecting the field, with a coil there will always be loses.
With permanent magnets there will always be loses because your trying to collect the field outside the magnet where the field expands, it must be done in the core.

I would think a toroid would probably be the best choice because most of the field is pulled into the core.
When you pull energy from the field the either will replace it instantly and we create a sink once this is done energy will be boundless.

Think outside the box
the field must be collected efficiently
it is the field we want, that is the electricity
enough ranting
Dave
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on July 13, 2011, 07:03:53 PM
I deleted the earlier ones as I saw no one had downloaded them yet.  I wanted to take care of that before my chance to edit the post timed out.  If there is any reason you would like them (your pre-edit documents) uploaded again I an do that but it is my assumption you will just want the latest one available which you edited.  They are still not perfect in formatting but are much better than the one I put up early today.


Work has been done very much.
The latest version of the PDF was the mostpowerful, almost like the original.
There are some minor errors of machine translation. (Company names, theorems and surnames, first names are correct as: "Rohde and Schwarz", "Casimir Gurskiy". And "Theorem of Motovilov" too).
Thank, e2matrix!
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on September 10, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
Последние вести этого сайта: появился  доброхот, который выпросил сокращённый вариант моей книги "Теория потоков энергии", обещал перевести на английский и разместить для общего пользования. После того, как перевод с моей помощью пошёл на лад, взял тайм-аут и исчез вместе с доработанным вариантом. Не слышен уже несколько месяцев.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Low-Q on September 10, 2011, 09:15:57 AM
Coils are the generator, they produce a field that organizes and puts in motion the either, that can be collected, but we have to use a different approach to collect the field. Coils are very inefficient at collecting the field, with a coil there will always be loses.
With permanent magnets there will always be loses because your trying to collect the field outside the magnet where the field expands, it must be done in the core.

I would think a toroid would probably be the best choice because most of the field is pulled into the core.
When you pull energy from the field the either will replace it instantly and we create a sink once this is done energy will be boundless.

Think outside the box
the field must be collected efficiently
it is the field we want, that is the electricity
enough ranting
Dave
A generator is generally speaking a very efficient transformer of mechanical to electrical energy. Even with weak magnets, and bad coils. There is only one thing to keep as low as possible, that is the resistance in the coil windings.

Look at it this way. A weak ferrite magnet is 1m away from the coil. The magnet is spinning with north/south crossing the coil. We can understand that there would not be much energy to harvest from the coil. But the input energy is also very low. With a magnet that far away, it takes litterally no energy to turn it, and litterally no energy out of the coil. Input and output energy corresponds - they are related to eachother and the efficiency are still high.

Vidar.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Dave45 on September 11, 2011, 01:52:53 AM
This thread is a work in progress if you want to know how to tie into the magnetic field read this thread.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8480-harvesting-energy-sun-using-crystals-20.html#post155948

Dave
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on September 11, 2011, 02:19:49 AM
I deleted the earlier ones as I saw no one had downloaded them yet.  I wanted to take care of that before my chance to edit the post timed out.  If there is any reason you would like them (your pre-edit documents) uploaded again I an do that but it is my assumption you will just want the latest one available which you edited.  They are still not perfect in formatting but are much better than the one I put up early today.
So...?
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 13, 2011, 11:08:58 AM
I read the pdf, did not understand too much but I got the impression that it describes a working FE device. There is business plan for 10 to 100 kw units, lots of meeting minutes described and mathematical formulas.

Document is 10 years old, what happened with the business plan / device ? Is it possible for someone to build this device based on the principles shown in the paper ? Has anyone build it ? And is it OU device ?
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on September 13, 2011, 12:22:09 PM
I read the pdf, did not understand too much but I got the impression that it describes a working FE device. There is business plan for 10 to 100 kw units, lots of meeting minutes described and mathematical formulas.

Document is 10 years old, what happened with the business plan / device ? Is it possible for someone to build this device based on the principles shown in the paper ? Has anyone build it ? And is it OU device ?
Thank you for your comment. [/font][/size]The business plan is given to the DC transformer. They are produced in Moscow in the bypass of my rights and my business plan. So decided to do in Russia. Works all the same communist regime.
The book as a whole represents a paradigm of the theory of Maxwell, which he has not finished because of early death. I finished his theory on the level of my dissertation.
The practical part deals with the theory of free generators
energy. These generators are also manufactured in Russia. And also in Soviet style, to bypass the rights of the author and without his knowledge.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 13, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
I assume this is OU device, correct ? If not then following questions are irrelevant.

Do you have more detailed information how to build this, what kind of material are needed and so on, any exotic (expensive) materials needed. What is the material cost for making a 5 kw device ?

Is it possible to give this information to someone else to build ? Or open source it and go after some prize money if money is the problem ? Even this forum has a prize contest, though not much of money but you gotta start from somewhere.

If you own the legal rights (and by now you see how usefull that right is), then why not just blow it wide open and see what happens. I certainly would. Would love to poke big anthill with a voodoo stick and see what comes out, literally speaking.

Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on September 13, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
we are building[/font][/size] one of the variants of this device here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8508.0
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 13, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
Thread mostly in Russia, did not understand. Picture in the beginning was informative though, enough to show that implementation of this device is beyond average joe like me.

What is the current status, is this working ?

DC trafos that are being made in Russia, are they the same thing as this ? I am looking for a FE device that is easy to build, so far it seems this is not it.
Title: Re: Eddy currents and their implications
Post by: MotovilovDN on September 13, 2011, 04:39:15 PM
Devices[/font][/size] of different types in Russia, but the theory of physical process inwhich one and the same.