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Offline frankly

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2011, 02:16:17 AM »
I like Newmans analogy of the magnetic field in that there are spinning particles exiting the magnet, only Newman says there is only one domain, that I dont agree with, there are definitely two moving in opposite directions, thats why when passing a magnet in front of a coil you get ac current no matter which pole is facing the coil.

That being said if you pass a magnet past a wire, when the n field crosses the wire you get current in one direction but as the magnet rolls over and the s passes the same wire you get current in the other direction, if you take two springs wound in opposite directions and bring to bear on a wire you can see how this works, a very simple test but very effective.

All we are doing in any gernerator is using the wires to collect the field, I think there can be overunity there, but it is a very very balanced situation.

We need to find a better way and that way is to trap the field, as the field moves through a medium when the field is turned off the medium needs to keep the field from dissolving and focus it onto an electrode to be collected, the only thing that can accomplish this that I know of is a crystal configuration-structure.

We need to leave the old paradigm and find another way.
David

Hi David. Good to see you here.

There are a few points I would like to raise with your statements though. Firstly, the dipolar domain. For solid form to exist as seperate from the aether, it must be equally charged. North and South, together in an infinite dance. This does not mean it is two domains, it is simply that, if it were possible to pick up the torroid of charge and examine it, it would appear to spin clockwise at the top, and anticlockwise at the bottom. When looking from the top, the spinning charge appears to enter the center of the torroid from the left, and leave from the right as the whole thing spins, and vice verce for the bottom, with a blurred Bloch wall at the center and at the hemispehere of the two charges, where the vortex links to the rest of the universe.  This flux path from the center leaves the torroid from the top and bottom, pushed out by the "strong nuclear force" and comes in at the sides, the "weak nuclear force". Read Nassim Harramein's stuff for referance, and Marco Rodin.

The key to unlocking this process lies with orientation.

Now, as to moving a magnet pole past a wire. The action of a single pole's flux path interaction with a wire does not form AC, your next statement, of North and South, does. However, not seperately.

One pole forms one charge in the wire as it approaches, by virtue of it having it's flux axis rotation fixed in space, and a space of charge to fill. As the magnet moves away, this charge is inverted by the opposing flux path direction, which fills the hole. This may be called AC, but is not alternating in polarity, for it is the same pole of the magnet delivering both charges. Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed.

AC is formed by the approach of both poles together upon either side of the wire. Forming negative potential, or an area of positive charge. These pole peices are then moved away, leaving an area of charge by putting a diode in the way, and delivering amperage by connecting the other end of the wire to the load, and leaving in the pole pieces, an attraction force known as Lenz's law. This ensures any Eddy Current which forms remains locked in the stator. Control of this current is achieved with a power regulator.

Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed either, as the load cannot "see" the Eddy Current.

(Tesla called this Eddy the "fundamental frequency" and found that the primary coil could not hold a current which spun faster than this primary one).

Anyway, I think that I have probably said enough for a start, I will leave it up to everyone here to go test the statements I have made if they wish, and form their own conclusions, and deliver feedback rather than making statements which do not appear to be based upon experimental results. No offense intended David. It is just that what you have repeated seems to be text book theory, and is not what is to be found in the real world, as simple experiments will show.

I am ready to help with experiments and testing procedures if needed.

Just ask.

But I would like to see that people are thinking before i keep going, otherwise the further statements I make will be lost in dis-belief.

Frankly.


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2011, 02:16:17 AM »

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2011, 04:38:01 AM »
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Hi David. Good to see you here.

Thanks glad to be here,

 
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There are a few points I would like to raise with your statements though. Firstly, the dipolar domain. For solid form to exist as seperate from the aether, it must be equally charged. North and South, together in an infinite dance. This does not mean it is two domains, it is simply that, if it were possible to pick up the torroid of charge and examine it, it would appear to spin clockwise at the top, and anticlockwise at the bottom. When looking from the top, the spinning charge appears to enter the center of the torroid from the left, and leave from the right as the whole thing spins, and vice verce for the bottom, with a blurred Bloch wall at the center and at the hemispehere of the two charges, where the vortex links to the rest of the universe.  This flux path from the center leaves the torroid from the top and bottom, pushed out by the "strong nuclear force" and comes in at the sides, the "weak nuclear force". Read Nassim Harramein's stuff for referance, and Marco Rodin.

The key to unlocking this process lies with orientation.

Im sure you'v thought this through, but in my studies Iv found that if you take a spring that is wound to the right no matter the orientation it will appear to spin to the right and the same with a spring wound to the left, it can be deceiving if you dont have both in front of you to study.
It also appears in nature, quartz crystalls have both but the one's harvested are always, well in most cases a right hand twist.

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Now, as to moving a magnet pole past a wire. The action of a single pole's flux path interaction with a wire does not form AC, your next statement, of North and South, does. However, not seperately.
I agree not seperatly for in a magnet you have two poles a both ends one moving into the magnet face and one moving away, Im sorry but I dont subscribe to the bloch wall theory that would imply that the pole of the electron or particle whatever we want to call it flips poles half way through the magnet I just dont see that happening.

So what is the bloch wall it has been observed, I think it is a counter rotation that happens in the middle of the magnet close to the magnet where the fields are weaker.

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One pole forms one charge in the wire as it approaches, by virtue of it having it's flux axis rotation fixed in space, and a space of charge to fill. As the magnet moves away, this charge is inverted by the opposing flux path direction, which fills the hole. This may be called AC, but is not alternating in polarity, for it is the same pole of the magnet delivering both charges. Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed.

AC is formed by the approach of both poles together upon either side of the wire. Forming negative potential, or an area of positive charge. These pole peices are then moved away, leaving an area of charge by putting a diode in the way, and delivering amperage by connecting the other end of the wire to the load, and leaving in the pole pieces, an attraction force known as Lenz's law. This ensures any Eddy Current which forms remains locked in the stator. Control of this current is achieved with a power regulator.

Rectifying this does not deliver the energy needed either, as the load cannot "see" the Eddy Current.

So what does rectifying a current do well we are running a ac charge through a crystal that allows only the right hand twist to move through we cut our voltage and current in half.
Leedskalnin said we only use one pole and he's correct by rectifying a circuit we loose one pole.
I dont think rectifying an ac charge creates true dc as the dc in a battery.


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(Tesla called this Eddy the "fundamental frequency" and found that the primary coil could not hold a current which spun faster than this primary one).

Anyway, I think that I have probably said enough for a start, I will leave it up to everyone here to go test the statements I have made if they wish, and form their own conclusions, and deliver feedback rather than making statements which do not appear to be based upon experimental results. No offense intended David. It is just that what you have repeated seems to be text book theory, and is not what is to be found in the real world, as simple experiments will show.

No offense taken, but I said I had no data that I care to release but that doesnt mean that I havent been experimenting.

Also another observation I would like to bring to your attention is the statement by science that the electric field runs ninety degrees to the magnetic field, this is simply not true, and here's an experiment that will show you whats happening if you put a ball on the end of a string walking forward to emulate the spin and direction and release the ball it will move away ninety degrees to the direction of travel, that gives the impression that the electric field is ninety degrees to the mag field but it isnt.

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I am ready to help with experiments and testing procedures if needed.

Just ask.

But I would like to see that people are thinking before i keep going, otherwise the further statements I make will be lost in dis-belief.

Frankly.
I think together we can dispel the miths and find the answer the world needs.
David


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2011, 06:05:37 AM »
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Re: Ground breaking work of Frank Znidarsic (Cold Fusion & Anti-gravity explained)
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2011, 04:08:18 PM »QuoteThe magnet-iron oxide here is the total picture cut in half;the wild clown. White eyes are the photon pulse; white light energy. Blue color is the cold figure eight FLOW of the "electrons"; the repel-push of the magnet. The red ruby and nose is one of the center dark energy GRAVITY rings {there is three of them}. The yellow plates at the corner of eyes are same seen on Saturn's North Pole; ah the power of spin! The flair out at the ears is the Aurora's. The last remaining yellow hot resistive lines is the attaction part of the magnet.



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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2011, 10:21:56 AM »


I agree not seperatly for in a magnet you have two poles a both ends one moving into the magnet face and one moving away, Im sorry but I dont subscribe to the bloch wall theory that would imply that the pole of the electron or particle whatever we want to call it flips poles half way through the magnet I just dont see that happening.



I am not too sure what you mean there Dave. Could you expand or clarify please?

I meant, that with one wire, if you wave the end of a magnet toward the wire, you get energy, and as you go past and out the other side, you get the inverse. Not the reverse, for that would be South pole energy, or what comes from rotating the magnet past the single wire. This is called pulsed DC I think. Correct me if I am wrong please.

Frankly.


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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2011, 10:41:06 AM »
May be that will help for understand to magnet`s wave process:
In my Russian application for an invention used by BTG mechanism for the formationof monopoles, which is now modeled by physicists in Switzerland:

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html

Magnetic monopoles have been predicted to occur as emergent fractional quasiparticles inside pyrochlore spin ice, a frustrated magnetic insulator. Experimental signatures of such emergent monopoles accompanied by Dirac strings have been detected by means of neutron scattering in reciprocal space in pyrochlore spin ice at sub-Kelvin temperatures, but their real-space observation has remained elusive. Here we report on direct, real-space observations of emergent monopoles and their associated Dirac strings in two-dimensional (2D) artificial kagome spin ice at room temperature using synchrotron X-ray photoemission electron microscopy. Magnetization reversal proceeds through the nucleation and avalanche-type dissociation of monopole–antimonopole pairs along 1D Dirac strings. This is in sharp contrast to conventional domain growth in 2D systems, providing a striking example of dimensional reduction due to frustration. The observed hysteresis, monopole densities and 1D Dirac-string avalanches are quantitatively explained by Monte Carlo simulations.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2011, 11:14:41 AM »
May be that will help for understand to magnet`s wave process:
In my Russian application for an invention used by BTG mechanism for the formationof monopoles, which is now modeled by physicists in Switzerland:

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v7/n1/full/nphys1794.html

Magnetic monopoles have been predicted to occur as emergent fractional quasiparticles inside pyrochlore spin ice, a frustrated magnetic insulator. Experimental signatures of such emergent monopoles accompanied by Dirac strings have been detected by means of neutron scattering in reciprocal space in pyrochlore spin ice at sub-Kelvin temperatures, but their real-space observation has remained elusive. Here we report on direct, real-space observations of emergent monopoles and their associated Dirac strings in two-dimensional (2D) artificial kagome spin ice at room temperature using synchrotron X-ray photoemission electron microscopy. Magnetization reversal proceeds through the nucleation and avalanche-type dissociation of monopole–antimonopole pairs along 1D Dirac strings. This is in sharp contrast to conventional domain growth in 2D systems, providing a striking example of dimensional reduction due to frustration. The observed hysteresis, monopole densities and 1D Dirac-string avalanches are quantitatively explained by Monte Carlo simulations.


Hi MotovilovDN.

We have not spoken before, nor have I had much time to absorb the higher order mechanics you are obviously conversant with. I will, however, endeavour to if you wish. As a beginning, I looked up your previous links, which I absorbed a little of, and the recent post, which enlightened me a little more.

Then, I saw this last post and dived right in, only to get to here........"In pyrochlore spin ice, the monopole–antimonopole pairs are connected by a string of overturned dipoles, which is often called a Dirac string6, 19, 20, 21. In this context, the Dirac string is understood as a physical 1D object that feeds magnetic flux into the volume elements where the monopoles reside. The string was originally conceived by Dirac as a singular line in the vector potential, to describe the quantum motion of an electron in the (classical) field of a magnetic monopole".

Now, I think I touched upon the absurdity of using straight lines to explain circular motion earlier, but this does better justice.

How, in what manner, can the monopoles described "feed flux into the elements where the monopoles reside"???? Via the Dirac string which is the result of the monopoles? This seems to me, a layman, like an oxymoron. An abberation. A self negating statement.

In other words, bullshit.

Sure it is wrapped in chocolate, but nevertheless, it sure tastes the same once bitten into.

Take, for example, the emergance of the the proton, from the interaction in the model from the first link. Where does this come from? "Created"??? From the colission? More of the same, I think.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense yet.

Perhaps I am missing something fundamental.

Or else, you are.

Frankly.


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2011, 11:24:07 AM »
Hi, Frankly.  Yes, that is very difficult, big scientific task...   

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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2011, 11:42:24 AM »
Hi, Frankly.  Yes, that is very difficult, big scientific task...   

My friend. It is not difficult. The reasons put forth do not make sense, and so, need to be replaced.

Vectors cannot describe arcs.

Simple.

Quaternions were originally used, and referred to by Tesla in his work. Only with circular motion, can the rotation path of the Eddy currents formed be described. Only with circles can matter be resolved. There is no reason to match the masses of the wide, short primary wind, with the long, narrow secondary, apart from the fact that the tail of the Eddy current, before it loops upon itself, intersects with the secondary, delivering momentum to the impressed voltage and amperage at the load, thereby retaining and sustaining the standing wave motion within the primary and allowing the power generated to be removed from the secondary without effecting the primary, providing certain limits are maintained.

Frankly.

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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2011, 11:57:03 AM »
It's just another road. The specifics of your own links with universe.

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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2011, 12:53:46 PM »
It's just another road. The specifics of your own links with universe.

On my way to bed, but I have to respond.

Please, prove that assertion. Someone with your credentials, surely cannot simply sit back and say, "that is how it is in my world, you live in yours" without explaining your position and supporting your thought forms with logical explanations. I have given you mine. What are your supporting arguments for your "reality" as you know it? Describe your "truth" so that we all may understand.

Frankly.

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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2011, 01:22:54 PM »

    To do this, read my book The theory of energy flows. It is available in the Library of Congress. In Russian, unfortunately ..
http://prs-rover.narod.ru/biblitek/motov_1.html

http://bolshoyforum.org/wiki/index.php/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2011, 02:28:00 PM »
MotovilovDN

Since Frankly is probably Snoozing right now,I would like to ask a Question?

Most things can be simplified to a few words,
Whats your book about??[the "Meat" ,not the potatoes]

Thanks
Chet


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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2011, 02:44:31 PM »
This is a new theory of electricity, which could not complete Maxwell.
New laws Ohm, Kirchhoff. The new theorem Poynting (Motovilov). The opening of the second type of energy flows of electromagnetic fields, which were previously considered physically impossible.

These discoveries have been certified by the recognition in Geneva (Silver Medal 1996) and Tokyo (Symposium 1989, I have also defended dissertation in the academic council VEI, Moscow).

Development of the scheme of collecting energy from the environment such flows of energy (fuel-less generation against second law of thermodynamics).

I currently have a patent in Germany covering almost all global production of these generators - Perendev, Gamma, Kapanadze, Melnichenko, Gritskevich etc.

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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2011, 03:52:04 PM »
The problem with science is that they overcomplicate .
Its really very simple


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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2011, 05:20:48 PM »
The problem with science is that they overcomplicate .
Its really very simple
Agreed.
There are an unscientific ways, even religious, or experiential.
They are methods of Testatiki and some also methods  of Tesla.
Roads a lot, but they all lead to one goal. I already wrote about this earlier today.

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