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Author Topic: Eddy currents and their implications  (Read 56845 times)

Offline frankly

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2011, 07:11:42 AM »
The coils is oriented in such a way that it provides a linear acceleration on
the disk that is proportional to the magnetic flux.  Non-ferrous metals like
aluminum and copper are resistive to magnetic flux.  If you put the center
of the coil on the edge of the aluminum disk then it can only spin one way.
Well, that is assuming the current is rectified, or the disk is omnidirectional
with a ratchet mechanism.  Yes, those are eddy currents due to the flux
resistive nature of aluminum, and the magnetic flux generated by a coil.

That "god particle" you are talking about I call aether particles, and they
are what is magnetic flux.  The most basic stuff that can be.  Literally
the canvas upon which the universe is painted...

In rare circumstances a coil, by itself, will go overunity.  This is due to external
energy sources.  Usually coils and transformers are exceedingly lossy.  A coil
can be stimulated by external sources to produce current, but it is limited by its
physics.  An example would be an alternator, where spinning magnet induces
current in the coil.  This could also be a number of things such as an ionized
cloud, or a lightning bolt, or fluctuating planetary magnetic fields.  Everything
is relative to the point of observation.  Inductors, by themselves, do not create
current, but when acted upon by external forces can produce substantial current.
Enough current to supply nations, or worlds...

Hi Z.monkey. I wish I could agree with your breakdown of the watt meter, but I can't.

The coils are not aligned with the edge of the disk, they are pointing at the face, the one, for amperage use, faces the one for voltage level. These produce an eddy current as a standing wave, which travels, like a spinning top upon a table, through the disk at right angles to the applied electric force until they meet the permanent magnet, where they are drained away. In this draining away, the exert pressure upon the disk, turning it.

If the energy used to generate these were truly equal on either side, no net movement of the disk would occur, but an oscillating motion would occur instead, and, if you look into the early designs of these, this is exactly what you will find. And. yes, ratcheting devices were employed.

There are still some smaller Eddy currents formed in the opposing direction, which act to stop the disks rotation, which is why they need two permanent magnets, but these are small compared to the others, and the magnets are movable, and as such, afford callibration, done on site with a known load.

If you like, I can show you the internals of one I have here, that I spent many hours meditating upon to solve their operation process.

Also, I have here a rather large permanent magnet and some magnetic viewing film, which I can demonstrate to you with that, rather than being deflected by aluminium, the flux path is NOT shifted, but becomes attached to the dipoles of the aluminium at right angles. This means when approaching, or moving sideways, the aluminium disk, there is no apparent "stickyness". However, upon pulling away the disk with speed, along the same plane as the flux path, there is a vaccum felt, rather like pulling a solid disk from the surface of the water.

This would be rather harder to demonstrate, as I do not have a sensitive force meter. However, an experiment could be contrived if need be.

However, I suggest that my energies could be better spent, and any questions you have that seem to not align with your personal learning, you get the tools to experiment yourself to determine the facts.

As to that, I wonder, has anyone done the experiment with the counterwound primary coils energised from the mains yet?

How about any of the other things..

As I said, I can describe to you proof experiments, but it is up to each of you to do these things yourself, to "see" the truth. If, perhaps, I am wrong, I will revisit the example, to find the problem. I am often wrong, and shoot from the hip sometimes, but that keeps me humble. I think!

The facts are simple to see. Such as the "right hand rule" being a convention rather than a fact.

A place to start would be there. Proving to yourselves, that energy as it is today, whatever the source, is fractured and incomplete and can never provide the required magnetic signature to "find the method" of converting high voltage to low amperage, as Tesla did with ease.

Frankly.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2011, 07:11:42 AM »

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2011, 07:50:40 AM »
Frankly,

Lets be frank,

What you are discussing is inertia, the driving wheel of the universe, the force of no change that is the force of usage for ANY device to make power available for us to use.

A condenser differs from a capacitor by the simple fact of the inertial charge moment that a condenser stores, not the electric field value but the actual moving structure.  A condenser may be a single plate or many, it may be a single value or multiple values, as in + or - or the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Laithwaite

This may be of interest to you, this with Kromrey, Morray, Hendershot, Tesla and many others that noticed that mass and things do not follow what we have been taught since the '60's.

To make a first test on your assumptions one would need to make a system that can transfer power over a single wire, that has been done, one would need to make a system where a changing DC voltage makes a change in a system transferring power, that has been done.

You think in pictures but you can not give this information to others because they cant speak pictures, you need US to describe these pictures for you, before they drive you crazy.

Wind a bi-filar transformer, 10:1, on a toroid core,,,,,,,, power it backwards with a dc pulse,,LOL

Tom Webb AKA webby1


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2011, 08:18:23 AM »
I hate to reply to myself but in the info posted you mentioned bobbin aka flat wire, wound transformers, well they are used today a LOT, they are used in what we here in the USA call poll pot transformers, they are the ones on power poles that change the AC values down for home use and more interestingly they are used in SPACE.

Power convertion in space is needed, a round wire wound transformer has a lot of air gaps in it and it takes up a lot of room, a bobbin or flat wound transformer negates these problems, and by the way a guy I met who works on satellites showed me his "mag" room where they were making these transformers.

Edit: this was the same "company" that told me spinning masses can NOT make a linear reaction... good physicist there, right?

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2011, 08:38:21 AM »
Обычные трансформаторы переменного тока, использующие круглую проволоку, имеют большие потери энергии. Также они имеют низкий коэффициент мощности (большое реактивное сопротивление) и большой вес. Это  очень существенные недостатки для космической технологии.
Трансформаторы постоянного тока (это трансформаторы Мотовилова) таких недостатков не имеют
Conventional  AC transformers that use a round wire, have large energy losses. They also have low power (high reactance), and a lot of weight. This is a very significant disadvantages for space technology.

DC transformers (transformers of Motovilov), such deficiencies do not have:


http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#58
http://foto.mail.ru/mail/motovilov_utr/54/58.html#66


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2011, 08:59:34 AM »
I can not translate, so I am assuming that your English is the translation, the adverts are not very informative for me.

The transformers used are 'auto-transformers" since they are based on a single conductive layer split into different length's.

Tom Webb

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2011, 08:59:34 AM »
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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2011, 10:25:25 AM »
Ok.

This is something I found a while back. Apparently, the output of the generator is 6 watts maximum @ 80 volts. I don't know what the losses are in the transformer, but apparently he is driving the primary with oscillating DC.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTZkiPRGQg

I have asked a few people now what they think the energy needed to sustain a plasma field inside the globe is, with no response.

Any input from here would be appreciated.

Frankly.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2011, 10:54:05 AM »
I can not translate, so I am assuming that your English is the translation, the adverts are not very informative for me.

The transformers used are 'auto-transformers" since they are based on a single conductive layer split into different length's.

Tom Webb
Преобразователь в целом содержит трансформатор и автотрансформатор:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=9421028&KC=&FT=E
http://www.ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_7/electricity_732.shtml

The known power source comprises input (G1,T) and output (G2,T) converter components with LT and MT converter cells, and T >/= O galvanic cross coupling conversion transformers with bifilar windings (2, 9, 12, 16, 20, 22, 24, 26, 29); LO >/= 2 and MO >/= 2 converter cells are based on "Motovilov's transformers" and direct current power transformers each containing two symmetrical groups of windings and rectifiers, including some to effect pulse control of the direct current in the direct current power transformers. In order to reduce the effect of pulse and alternating current in the windings of the direct current power transformers and cross coupling conversion transformers on the leakage inductance Ls in the windings, and thereby also improve the source frequency characteristics, the function of cross coupling and voltage conversion in the source are split between the cross coupling conversion transformers (with a transfer factor of 1 and correspondingly lower Ls levels) and the direct current power transformers introduced for that purpose at G1,1 and G2,1 and intended for use with direct current (2, 9, 22, 24, 29); LO and MO converter cells with direct current power transformers for work with direct current are connected in a special multi-cell circuit characterized by voltage levels Y = 1+2<L>0<(M>0<)> at the circuit, the total power of all the converter cells being P < 2P1 where P1 is the power of the first converter cell; the purpose of the said circuit is to ensure smooth adjustment of the source output voltage without pulse current at the source output or in the direct current power transformers. It is further proposed that there should be a connection L1 >/= 2 and M1 >/= 2 of the converter cells in the multi-cell circuit shown (12, 16).

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2011, 03:06:14 PM »
MotovilovDN

Would be much easier if you had this patent translated to English.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2011, 03:22:58 PM »
MotovilovDN

Would be much easier if you had this patent translated to English.
Yes...

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2011, 05:47:28 PM »
Hello Frankly
 It has taken a couple weeks to get back here with enough time to read your thread. Very interesting thoughts ,inspirational even. Im sory you feel you were ignored in the past. In such a forum as this I think you may find some comfort if you consider you people have to stay focussed in order to reach conclussions even if they are going to be failed in the results. Learning by experience is how discoveries are found like when things go unexpectedly wrong but something new is found instead.
 I did'nt know thinking in pictures was condition nor that others thought differently. If nothing ells that was information worth the time spent reading this entire thread. It will be helpful to me in comunicating with others later on. Maybe when my wife wants help around the house she should draw a picture then I might here her lol.
 Back to your minds eye. It seems if any of this is possible a working provable model ,one which would be of practical use not just a toy could be produced with out to much trouble from stuff laying around. With little more then a magnet a tranformer and proper windings and diodes a simple method could be contrived to extract from a partially saturated core by over lacing it with small external alternating wave if properly wound to only extract from the perm magnetic feild with out drawing off any energy fromm the oscillation directly. I know I have seen motors speed up when a magnet placed in contact with a motor but not any amazing level just a little bit. If there were an additional winding center tapped and diode blocked at the ends seems it should deliver a positive from both outside ends of the winding with the return path being the center tap while operating a typical load of the ac signal without any effect on the primary signal side used as an oscilator.Leaving one to comon rail the pos's + or to run back through to the center tap which if it works would simple grow in voltage and not short out untill it grows large enough to exceed the limits of the core and melts.
 Crued quick and simple,beyound that there are thousands of improvements and tricks that could be employed to make it work better and reduce it's size physically. Where the windings go will not be sensable by conventional terms becuase it should not work if classical theories are correct. You cant drain a high preasure from a container into a low preasure and expect the low preasure to also maintain the high preasure with out expending energy to operate a pump to increase the low preasure to fill back the high preasure. Maybe the placement of the pump in the system is the trick.
 

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2011, 07:24:45 PM »
Hello Frankly
 It has taken a couple weeks to get back here with enough time to read your thread. Very interesting thoughts ,inspirational even. Im sory you feel you were ignored in the past. In such a forum as this I think you may find some comfort if you consider you people have to stay focussed in order to reach conclussions even if they are going to be failed in the results. Learning by experience is how discoveries are found like when things go unexpectedly wrong but something new is found instead.
 I did'nt know thinking in pictures was condition nor that others thought differently. If nothing ells that was information worth the time spent reading this entire thread. It will be helpful to me in comunicating with others later on. Maybe when my wife wants help around the house she should draw a picture then I might here her lol.
 Back to your minds eye. It seems if any of this is possible a working provable model ,one which would be of practical use not just a toy could be produced with out to much trouble from stuff laying around. With little more then a magnet a tranformer and proper windings and diodes a simple method could be contrived to extract from a partially saturated core by over lacing it with small external alternating wave if properly wound to only extract from the perm magnetic feild with out drawing off any energy fromm the oscillation directly. I know I have seen motors speed up when a magnet placed in contact with a motor but not any amazing level just a little bit. If there were an additional winding center tapped and diode blocked at the ends seems it should deliver a positive from both outside ends of the winding with the return path being the center tap while operating a typical load of the ac signal without any effect on the primary signal side used as an oscilator.Leaving one to comon rail the pos's + or to run back through to the center tap which if it works would simple grow in voltage and not short out untill it grows large enough to exceed the limits of the core and melts.
 Crued quick and simple,beyound that there are thousands of improvements and tricks that could be employed to make it work better and reduce it's size physically. Where the windings go will not be sensable by conventional terms becuase it should not work if classical theories are correct. You cant drain a high preasure from a container into a low preasure and expect the low preasure to also maintain the high preasure with out expending energy to operate a pump to increase the low preasure to fill back the high preasure. Maybe the placement of the pump in the system is the trick.
 

Hi Doug1. Good to have you here. I think that your type of thinking is exactly what is needed. In order to build a transformer to "heal" the energy we get from the wall, and start the pump, a new method of winding coils is needed.

This year I decided to simply do this myself as it seemed no - one was willing to help. I went out and bought an oscilliscope and a signal generator and am now waiting on getting a H bridge. The fact is though, if I had more time, I could do without all that guff I think.

I have here, a few coils off different things, and a few hand made ones, and was out playing the other day, (stole an afternoon), and, after testing some different things, placed a core piece with pulsed DC fed to a coil over it, inside another core with some turns of fine, can't remember how many, and watched the scope trace of the induction pick-up.

As can be appreciated, the pulsed DC was a little hashy. It is from a small generator. I was noting the differences when the primary coil's power supply was reversed, and also when the core was inverted in the secondary. The "hash" part of the signal moved to various quadrature points on the trace, according to the orientation.

The most interesting part of this whole exercise was that, over the top of the secondary I have another wind. A single wrap of coarse wire. Now, when I joined the ends of this wind, the signal in the secondary, which almost matched the primary input signal strength, if I remember correctly, lost some of it's energy, almost half I think. However, the trace smoothed right out. In fact, I could almost describe it as purely sinusoidal.

I have not had time to test this signal for magnetic strength.

However, I do feel it is possible to orient a transformer correctly to furnish the right signal. Be careful using diodes though, and caps. These elements are designed to prevent what I am trying to convey.

I have to go or I will be late for work again.

Frankly.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2011, 09:29:59 PM »
I like Newmans analogy of the magnetic field in that there are spinning particles exiting the magnet, only Newman says there is only one domain, that I dont agree with, there are definitely two moving in opposite directions, thats why when passing a magnet in front of a coil you get ac current no matter which pole is facing the coil.

That being said if you pass a magnet past a wire, when the n field crosses the wire you get current in one direction but as the magnet rolls over and the s passes the same wire you get current in the other direction, if you take two springs wound in opposite directions and bring to bear on a wire you can see how this works, a very simple test but very effective.

All we are doing in any gernerator is using the wires to collect the field, I think there can be overunity there, but it is a very very balanced situation.

We need to find a better way and that way is to trap the field, as the field moves through a medium when the field is turned off the medium needs to keep the field from dissolving and focus it onto an electrode to be collected, the only thing that can accomplish this that I know of is a crystal configuration-structure.

We need to leave the old paradigm and find another way.
David


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2011, 10:31:19 PM »
when particles leave the magnet they disperse into a wide field and thats where we try to collect them with coils of wire,
but if we could collect them in the core could you imagine the power that could be collected all the field concentrated into an electrode or electrodes.
when we can pull the heat out of a system in the form of current the system should go into a superconductive state the energy would be tremendous, more than we could ever need.
magnetic evaporation would add to this effect and help drive the system.

It can be done
This is the way.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2011, 12:26:37 AM »
Dave
"it can be done"?

I like the sound of that ! Has this been done ?any research or data to indicate the possibility?

Thanks
Chet


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2011, 01:05:36 AM »
research - yes
data - not yet



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