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Eddy currents and their implications
« on: July 08, 2011, 10:04:57 AM »
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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 12:57:06 PM »
Frankly
Your Dialogue thus far has been very intriguing!
 The Intent of this forum is to work together 'Open Source' And Bring This World to a better place.

Perhaps you have a light to shine on that path?

Thank you for sharing!

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 08:41:40 PM »
frankly

If amperage and magnetic field are so closely related then maybe they are both created by the same factor ?
I'm far from connecting  all together but I feel that Joseph Newman shocking theory may be correct. Electrons are small magnets with inertia and current is because of movement of such particles with magnetic momentum. This movement is forced by etheric longitudinal sound-like flow which is the cause of every electric phenomena. So we have situation when electric current is just pure mechanical force at corpuscular scale.Ether pressure move particles with inertia which produce magnetic field.
While this may explain electric current phenomena there is some unknowns :
1. there is possibility of existence of smaller then electron particles with magnetic momentum which push electrons
2. there is possibility that every particle with magnetic momentum is a vortex of ether and that way also large scale magnetic field can exists without particles (scaled up "magnet")
3. EM waves - do they exists ? Tesla thought that Hertz waves are too weak to propagate more then a few miles but we are pumping so much energy into them currently to spread then it may work. Personally I didn't found any clear explanation from Tesla how he saw Hertzian waves. He only stated "they are radiations" and radiations for me suggest corpuscular nature of EM. Connection between longitudinal waves in ether and EM radiation is one of the most important questions for me.

I have also a lot of other important unresolved riddles (for me). ..

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 08:43:54 PM »
frankly - could you move your posts to this thread ? I didn't responded previously because I thought that my thoughts in primitive plain Enslish which is not my native language would not add anything to the overall picture. In fact I have troubles understanding parts of your very interesting description so please bear with me.I found it excellent but not "pure clear", and I'm deeply searching "pure clear" answers - understandable for every person.


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 10:17:44 PM »
Forest
You are a wonderful person ,Your Sincerity and Zeal for this cause Transcends the language barrier.[Translation 'Your worth your weight in Gold"]

I have posted Frankly's Posts in  order .
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 on: July 04, 2011, 07:30:11 PM 
Perhaps I can ask this. What is present in a coil of material to form the B field in the first place? If energy traverses the skin of the wire, what forms the B field? Which part of the material is effected and by how much?

Before you say "the core material", think about an air core coil. Or, even a single wire with no turns.

The B field is caused by the electric component interacting with something. What is that thing and how does this work? What does it mean in regards to "magnetic potential", or in other words, amperage?

Everyone assumes that electricity is the same now as in Tesla's day. It is not.

In fact, it is made now to prevent any possibility of discovering what I am putting forth, which is why it has been so denied. Yes, I can prove that statement. No, I do not have referances, only devices from the early part of the 20'th century in which the circuit elements are different to manage the different energy signature.

There are patents done by Tesla of wiring seguences for generators, and Eric Dollard also did a few drawings of the correct method of energy generation.

But alternators, and rectified energy from these, will not furnish the required energy to establish Tesla's "Rotating magnetic field".

This field is not a motor, nor a winding cage. That is a deception designed to cover the truth.

It is a manufactured state we have now, make no mistake. The trouble is in trying to undo what has been done.

As an example which is easy to do, place two counterwound coils upon a core and energise one with AC energy from the wall. Now, correct me if I am wrong, (as I frequently am), but, a collapsing B field inductiively sends it's energy to the other coil, correct, as they are wound in opposite directions? If the same direction, the building B field would be mirrored in the other coil? So, with counterwound, one should see the opposite B field occur, or a matching polarity. This I built, and, although the second coil delivers 240 volt energy, it has no amperage compared to the input phase. So, in reversing the current, any amperage that was set up in the core, is then removed. All that is left is the reluctance energy. This is a key to understanding where the true energy lies.

Telsa, used oscillating DC and early in the 20'th century, alternators with polyphase energy were used. AC of equal but opposite potentials.

This is far different to today.

This includes batteries and also permanent magnets, (though to a lesser degree).
 
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12   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 04, 2011, 05:40:18 AM 
Hello all. It has been a few years since I entered here but I see the whole game is still afoot, and only now, when someone shows the fact that energy from a battery, when applied to both ends of a core at once, produces a stronger magnetic field, do you begin to question whether you might have missed something really, really important.

Indeed, you have.

The answer to your present quandry lies in the core. At the core.

Tesla used, not only bifilar winds and such, he also used an entirely different energy signature.

This was derived from, first, a homopolar generator and then, from a DC generator based upon the same principles as the operation of the Homopolar.

Also, Tesla utilised condensors. NOT capacitors. They are two very different things.

A condensor can best be described as an element which absorbs and releases amperage. Lots of it. Quickly.

This allowed his devices to ring quite differently than with voltage alone, which you will get with capacitors.

What the present circuit is touching upon is energy amplification. However, without any understanding of exactly what energy is, you will never catch your tail.

I know this sounds abrasive. Coming from my perspective, I mean it. I posted some things here a while back, in another thread and was shouted down. These have been deleted I see.

Now, years later, the thoughts of the many are beginning to come to where I was then.

The "Rotating Magnetic Field" Tesla utilised was not a mechanical device. Rather, it was an area of polarisation in a core.

In doing so, a coil in proximity received the signature and converted the magnetic flux into energy as if a solid magnet passed by.

However, with the present geometry, all you will get is Transient Spike conversion.

I have been trying for years to explain this simple thing to people, to no avail. Perhaps now, there are ears to hear? 
 
10   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 12:40:27 AM 
The main difference between a condensor and a capacitor is one of geometry. I am not sure how the ultra caps are oriented, but, basically, using an element in a resonating circuit to hold and bounce back, the energy, which is specifically designed to clamp resonations, is what you are doing with a capacitor today.

A condenser is either a set of series connected plates, interspaced with either a di-electric medium if negative or a conductor if positive.

A bank of these placed in a circuit was known as a battery. This term was used from it's root meaning which is of course equally applicable to armory. Any collection of like things to deliver force.

Tesla describes in one of his papers the difference between the methods of construction. An end connected, interwound plate of the condensor, seperated by the insulating ,(or conducting, as with electrolytic condensors), set into a Faraday tube, is able to resonate at the specific frequency of the load. Modern elements do not allow this.

As to the oscillating DC. The energy delivered was both positive and negative of equal force. Only with this energy will it be possible to lock onto the wheel-work of nature.
9   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 04:40:38 AM 
And, here we are. Arguing about the internet's description of condensors versus capacitors.

The original post was to ask what formed the B field within a wire? What substance within the wire becomes magnetised, for as we know, copper is non magnetic. I mentioned capacitors as another issue altogether.

Tell you what. Take some apart.

Get an old ignition coil condensor and cut open the casing. Then, do the same for a radio suppressing condensor on an alternator. Then, an electrolytic condensor, and, while you are at it, take apart a capacitor from a microwave oven, and an AC motor, and think about the description I gave earlier.

The evidence shows us the truth, no matter what the theory is.

Look into which speach Tesla gave where he describes the condensor's construction. This will tell you what I have learned. That there is a major difference. A fundamental one in fact, without which, you will never understand the purpose of asking "what is it that forms the B field in the first place"?

I have used referance pages before, to have them changed. So, it is better to simply do the research yourselves. The components are not that hard to find. Get a hack saw and start investigating.

That is what I did.

Look into old stuff. Go to junk yards and garage sales. Get something, anything old, and pull it apart to tease the truth from it, before the "recycling" movement swallows all the history, and all proof is gone.

Even better yet, make a condensor yourself and apply it to a circuit. The components are not hard to assemble. Remember, there are positive condensors, and negative condensors. There are also both, but that is a power source. We are interested in only catching and holding one side of the energisation.

No.

I am getting lost again.
 
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8   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 06:07:48 AM 
No, I am asking what causes the B field to form, when the wire is energised by an electric field. Which specific component in the air or wire is aligned to form the magnetic flux? Why does this phenomena have reluctance,  reactance and capacitance? What FORMS it? For it to exhibit reluctance, it must be influenced by gravity, and therefore have mass. WHAT IS IT?
 
7   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 10:19:22 AM 
The field surrounding an electrified form, which is magnetic in nature, and yes, swirling, is not what causes the field to form. The electric energy is the force creating it, yes. But what is it that the electric energy acts upon, to form the magnetic flux lines? Electrons? How can a thing act upon itself to form another energy signature? That would be like wind glowing. The electron is the charge carrier apparently, acting upon....what....to form the magnetic field which is in proportion to the amperage content.....meaning the two are linked, magnetism and amperage. .......Now, there is a big hint!!
6   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 05, 2011, 07:26:02 PM 
Quote from: poynt99 on July 05, 2011, 02:09:49 PMUnless you're going to bring the aether into the picture, the only "thing" pre-existing when you apply the electric field is the electric field. Therefore, the charge carrier acts in relation to or upon the applied electric field.
 
It seems there are some things that don't make sense here. No offence, but there are holes in your logic. How can the electric field be "pre-existing", before electric energy is applied? Are you saying a circuit is preenergised? Also, the charge carriers, which bring with them the energy to form the B field, act upon themselves?? This sounds a little preposterous I think.

If I drop a stone in a pond.....the ripples extend outward, yet the ripples are not the stone, nor does the stone bounce continually upon the water, causing standing waves to form of higher amplitude than the original wave from the first contact when the returning ripples from the edge of the pond meet and combine.

Also, if one looks at a magnet with a peice of magnetic viewing film, one will see a Bloch wall between the North and South pole, at the hemisphere, and another at the poles. THIS is the magnetic field. The iron filings show the flux path.....the energisation path, not the magnetic path, kind of like the pond again.....Floating leaves show us the top of the water, and whether it is still or moving, but not the depth of the waters.
solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 06, 2011, 06:31:47 AM 
Quote from: JouleSeeker on July 06, 2011, 02:37:13 AMRight -- as I noted, this could be "battery relaxation" (for example).

With regard to the ideal toroid experiment -- I wrote,
The question is, how is the change in magnetic field at the center of the loop SENSED by the loop, when the magnetic field outside the toroid itself is ZERO?    There is no magnetic field to affect the electrons in the wire, from the toroid, just an electric field.  And does this electric field propagate outward from the toroid at the speed of light?  I suppose so.

I'm hoping Frankly will consider the appearance of the electric field outside the toroid in the absence of a magnetic field outside the toroid, in his theoretical model.


Well, although I have not received any enlightenment from .99 regarding the questions I posed to HIS/HER statements, only the idea that I misunderstood HIS/HER statements somehow, (and if so, would like explanation please), I will answer this somewhat crossed message question.

Firstly, please be specific.....are we looking at a solenoid, or a torroid? Secondly, There is no Bloch wall formed on an electromagnet with present energisation, so a different set of phenomena are used to establish the rules of interaction than are used with magnets alone. Thirdly, with a torroid, or closed core transformer, as you rightly point out, all the magnetic energy for "induction" is within the core, therefore, how can this be "transferred" to the adjoining coil and provide useable energy via the collapsing or building magnetic lines of force.....and do it so well? The only answer is that the wire is being energised in some way that is not immediately apparent, and is occuring within the bounds of the primary coils' geometry, as it cannot be "sensed" untill the secondarie's winds are lower to the face of the torroid than the primary, so energy is lost. In the same manner, by placing wraps further out, there is loss. I wonder, has anyone used flat strap to wind a transformer? Probably not in nearly a hundred years. Interestingly, this is what was used for transformers with the AC electricity in it's early form...wire ribbon. Why? What did they know that seems to have been forgotten, or missed?

Previously I asked why amperage and magnetic strength of the B field were related. I wait for an answer.

As to "just conveying my thoughts" on what the form of the wheelwork of nature really is?? That thing that is the water in our pond? If I did that, what would you learn? No. How about you reflect on what I have said. The answer is there. Right before you. Only one person thus far has even attempted to think and imagine a solution, then, (hopefully) test that idea with apparatus. Oops, sorry. Did I just suggest that someone do science?

I wonder, did anyone measure the mass of the plates in the battery that is charging and measure the capacitance of the entire circuit and find the resonant frequency.....to see if there is a correlation with the running frequency?

What of these reported "sweet spots" with the present design?

Where are the joyous words extolling the solution has been found, for it is these that prove the thoughts. The basis of the harmonic scale of matter.

Have any mass measurements been done?

Why does the mass of the primary and secondary have to be so similar in transformers? What does "harmonic resonance" lock onto?

We hear the standing wave in our well tuned musical instruments all the time. Pianos are a prime example. Why is it that no-one has applied that thinking to energy amplification.

I recently learned that an "amplifier" in electrical engineering is not "amplifying" anything. To amplify means to increase in strength. So, the end result must be that energy is greater out than in via some sort of fulcrum or pulley. Like a gearbox, amplifying the mechanical energy to push the car faster with less engine speed. Utilising inertia to relieve torque. This was the reason for heavy flywheels in old engine designs. The storage of inertia so the energy from it could be amplified via pulleys and such.

However, nowadays it seems that to amplify a signal means to hold back on the original strength of the current, or working force, and control it. This means that the highest amplification of the signal possible is the same as having no amplifier present. The control of the signal DOWNWARDS in strength is referred to as amplification. It is this type of thinking that prevents discovery of the truth.

How, in what manner, can we amplify energy when we are not taught that energy spins and has inertia, just like a flywheel??

This motion is called reactance, reluctance and resistance and is the source of all of the original though forms and quaternion equations that once described, in perfect detail, the overall manner in which electricity operates based upon circles not lines.

How can vectors describe rotation of subatomic particles? It cannot. So, "science" invents quantum math to blur the edges of their straight lines, and gets further and further away from the truth.

Anyway, I am now ranting.

Back to the issue at hand.

What is affected by the energy from a source of electricity to form a magnetic field around the energised current carrying medium?

Ohh, and also, if you take out the core of a transformer and leave the coils adjacent, does it still work? Why? What must be done to prevent them interacting and transferring energy one to the other with the changing magnetic field?

This type of science is what must be done, all over again, to find the truth. I cannot just blurt it out, for I will not be believed. I tried that once before.

I have no credentials, only experimental experience. And, without the math skills to back me up, all I have is these words.

I can point the way, but you must walk.

I can show you pictures, and videos 'till the cows come home. These would only be the source of more conjecture.

I tried asking for expert assistance, none came. So, I now ask the questions of you that I asked myself, in order that you may also do the same thinking. This is what a teacher does, so the student may learn for themselves. Only in that manner will the result, once realised, be believed.

Do the investigations I suggested, think on the real reasons behind the simple processes, and the truth will be revealed.

Or, you can simply do nothing but continue along, blundering in the dark. Frankly, I don't give a damn
4   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: July 06, 2011, 07:27:58 PM 
Quote from: poynt99 on July 06, 2011, 03:35:18 PM@ frankly,

I have already provided the answer to the question regarding how current is induced in a loop of wire outside of either a solenoid or toroid. It's the electric field.

Now, regarding your initial question about what causes a magnetic B field:

The electron has charge. A spinning charged particle has a magnetic moment, i.e. it is a magnetic dipole. There are many free electrons in copper. When an electric field is applied to a copper wire, the magnetic moments of these free electrons become aligned such that a net magnetic moment (or field) is created which encircles the wire.

.99


Excellent, now we are getting somewhere.

So, could the amount of these dipoles in the wire, all lining up in one direction, have anything to do with the capacity of the wire? So, if long, or in a coil, deliver a pulse of energy to a load? In other words....is that what amperage is? The amount of dipoles aligned and then relaxing? Is that what the term reluctance equates to? The dipoles' relaxation speed?

SO.

Resistance then, must be related to the SIZE of the dipole. It's mass. So, aluminium, a lighter substance and yet, a metal and a conductor, conveys energy far easier for less space, the dipole's are smaller.

Cool. I hope you see the correlations here, because it is important to understand this simple stuff.

So, if the dipole, being aligned, and then allowed to relax, delivers that inertia to another component, called a load, or in the case of DC energy, has to be pulsed, (except with a resistance like light bulb, which is itself a resonating element), why does it have to stop spinning? Why not simply, instead of aligning the dipoles in the wire, and then allowing them to relax, set them spinning?

This, then, is also a changing magnetic field, so, delivers energy to the load just the same.

It is just that, one must use OSCILLATING DC energy to achieve this rotation of the dipoles.

If you investigate the actions of the elements in the present circuit, I think you will find, once the calculations are done, that the "sweet spots" described, are where the capacitance and inductance match harmonically, so, some extra rotation of the core's dipoles is occurring.

Also, the "feedback loop" is simply where this opposite polarity energy is coming from to achieve this.

Tesla was using OSCILLATING DC of HIGH FREQUENCY and HIGH POTENTIAL.

 
3   Solid States Devices / solid state devices / Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  on: Today at 04:30:59 AM 
Well, I am not sure what happened. I thought someone asked how energy could "come into" a circuit. In the describing of what "energy" is, I showed the thought process that led to (in a small way), understanding what forms energy, or amperage.

The amplification of this, is what I thought everyone was looking for. Small energy in, 10^13 times out, or something.

So, I spoke freely. To everyone here.

 It seems I have either been ignored or shut out. No feedback, no thoughts, no expressions of consideration whatsoever in days....what gives, people??

All sorts of terse words for my continued musings, when I was trying to encourage discussion and thought among what I thought were like minded people, yet, after the point was made, nothing.....

The "wheelwork of nature" revealed in words, and not even a blip.....

Would a video be better?

Or, some drawings???

Would that help convey the thoughts?

Been there, done that. It doesn't make a difference.

If you look up "Watt meter design" you will find that modern science is already well educated in the inertia of eddy currents.

Place this mechanism, (which is supported by the background energy of the universe, just as the domains in a permanent magnet are), into a transformer core, and you have energy amplification. Simple really. But, has anyone realised this? Or are willing to discuss the implications? It would seem not.

Either I am being ignored, or everyone is feeling a little abashed that they have missed something so simple for so long.

Let me know which it is please, so I may move on.

I spend hours composing messages every time I try to get the message across. My time would be better spent enjoying my children, not ensuring their future. After all, why shift the status quo?
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11116.0

I think  I did it correctly. Sorry for the "Jacking". Seems my communication limitations have thwarted me again.

This is only the second time I have attempted to communicate in forums like this, and I don't understand much of the processes and social etiquette.

Hope to see some like minds join me.

Frankly.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 12:28:16 AM »
Hi guys.

Thanks for joining in, I hope we can all learn from each other. Too long I have been trying to understand this alone, and I keep coming to the same wall. When it comes to applying some math to build devices, I fall over.

Hopefully, many heads will be better than one.

Also, a big thanks to ramset. I was thinking about how to do what you have done, probably easier and far more efficiently than I could have. Thanks.

Also, Forest, Welcome and thanks. Where is everyone from?

I am in Australia, on the South East coast. It is winter here. I work a morning shift, so catch the end of the day in the America's.

I was born and raised here, have never traveled far, and am not  highly educated in the traditional sense. I do, however, seem to have an ability to think "out of the box" a little. This has only come to light for me quite recently, when my wife insisted I be tested for Aspergers Syndrome. Our son is on the spectrum, and so am I.

I did not know that most people did not think in pictures, for many years, and it is only as I have been researching and learning about Tesla, seeing his drawings, following his thoughts and efforts as they evolved, and "seeing" into his mind, that I learned that what I see, is different to what others see.

Forest.

1. Yes. There are. This is what CERN are chasing....the "god particle". A fundamental particle that forms all else. When the background energy of the universe solidifies into matter, it must form a dipole. An area of equal and opposite charge separated by a singularity. The center singularity is the link to the source, so, is the pathway to all other particles as well.

2. These are what Tesla was using.....mas-less magnetic fields. This is Tesla's "Rotating magnetic Field"....a large, mas-less domain within the core of a coil. This is how we achieve energy amplification. By polarising the magnetic components within a core, whatever they are, and oscillating the polarity to increase their natural inertia and AMPLIFY their energy He refered to electric energy as a gas. This he found from his experiments with light. There is an element much smaller than everything else, called Hydrogen, which cannot be excluded from a vacuum. It is very, very close to the inversion layer between the background and this solid universe. It has, as far as we know, three isomer spins. One is neutral, so has no magnetic moment, one is a South pole charge, and the other a North pole.

These particles have mass and are a dipole, (as are all other particles, but we won't go there yet).

3. I am not too sure about EM "waves". I think all is pulse. Expansion, contraction. That is all. With everything spinning. So, catching onto this pulse, at predetermined and equidistant intervals, will appear as a wave to the senses and to machinery designed to do so. This is what Tesla was referring to when he mentions the energy of the planet being able to be utilised to transfer energy.

Much like a wave machine anchored to the bottom of the pond, the stone in the middle does not to be large to transfer energy all over the face of the pond, it just needs to oscillate up and down, right on the surface, in time with the naturally occurring waves, so as not to cancel out the motion, and not to create a disturbance or "standing wave". If this "pond" were a sphere in space, such as our planet, Then all we need to do is find the harmonic nodes, and "pump" the ionosphere.

Presently, if we take an ariel and place it above the ground at 30 feet, we get a potential differance of some 10,000 volts I think. The trouble here is, that we are immersed in this seething mass, and oscillate at the same speed. All matter on earth does. So, we can see this pressure, but cannot touch it unless we ourselves create a differential with voltage ourselves. What Tesla realsied was that we can, much like impressing one phase of energy over another, we can impress upon this sphere, a higher order harmonic, and then, all the power of that lower order harmonic, that "pressure of the sphere", is ours to utilise, for the device we connect to it with is tuned ABOVE the ground phase of the planet, to that weaker, higher order harmonic lying on top of the planet's natural frequency.....

Like I said, simple. It is just that people are not "trained" to think this way any longer.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 12:56:19 AM »
@all

I would not say there is no field around a toroid , but no known field .

I however know there is one , and i did put it to use . Here is the picture ...

The toroid is a little under one inch , the joule thief is a basic one dual single 4 loop coil . The second toroid is made of cardboard with my special winding and connected only to the led , there is no led on the Joule thief .

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Frankly Id like to hear more.  :D

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 03:48:20 AM »
If you have water flowing in the garden hose its a coherent flow, a current.

When the water hits the end of the hose it quickly looses its coherence,
and dissipates as spray, divided down into eddy currents.

The hose is a conductor, to direct the flow...

Compressed air is analogous, in that when it escapes its hose it quickly
looses coherence as the is pressure dissipated in the atmosphere.

Light is also analogous, when light is coherent, like a laser, its is a current.
When the light comes out of the laser it starts to loose its coherence,
affected by eddy currents, caused by friction, and reflection, eventually
looses all its energy as eddy currents as it is dissipated into the environment.

Magnetic, and Electromagnetic currents are also affected in the same way.
When they are in the conductor these forces are coherent.  But, once let out of
the conductor they loose their coherence, and dissipate quickly.  Usually the
inverse square law of energy emissions applies to this phenomena.

I think of eddy currents as the place you don't want your current to go.

Well, unless you want to radiate it...

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 07:15:34 AM »
В области изучения свободной энергии существуют несколько путей для её понимания.
1. Чисто научный путь. Это более глубокое, чем традиционное, знание законов физики.
2. Интуитивное познание.  Человек делает свой прибор так, как ему подсказывает душа, Бог. То есть так, как ему приятно и  гармонично видеть свой будущий генератор энергии.
3. Метод образного понимания достижений других конструкторов - Тесла, Грицкевича, Стивена Марка.  При этом можно пытаться на уровне чувств понять картинки прибора.
4. Системный подход, когда конструктор обладает способностью комплексного видения всех трёх путей сразу.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 07:23:34 AM »
В области изучения свободной энергии существуют несколько путей для её понимания.
1. Чисто научный путь. Это более глубокое, чем традиционное, знание законов физики.
2. Интуитивное познание.  Человек делает свой прибор так, как ему подсказывает душа, Бог. То есть так, как ему приятно и  гармонично видеть свой будущий генератор энергии.
3. Метод образного понимания достижений других конструкторов - Тесла, Грицкевича, Стивена Марка.  При этом можно пытаться на уровне чувств понять картинки прибора.
4. Системный подход, когда конструктор обладает способностью комплексного видения всех трёх путей сразу.

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In the field of free energy, there are several ways to understand it.
1. Purely scientific way. It's deeper than the traditional knowledge of the laws of physics.
2. Intuitive knowledge. Man makes his instrument as he tells the soul, God. That is, as he pleasantly and harmoniously to see their future power generator.
3. The method of imaginative understanding of the achievements of other designers - Tesla Gritskevich, Steven Mark. One can try to understand the level of feelings Pictures unit.
4. The systems approach, when the designer has the ability for an integrated vision of all three ways at once.

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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 07:27:13 AM »
Hi there Z monkey. Useful observations you make, regarding loss in a system. However, WHAT MAKES A WATT METER TURN? Eddy currents.

So, what are these "connected to" to provide the lever to turn the disk?

How can this be done with certainty, anytime of the day or night, anywhere in the world?

"The metallic disc  (which is aluminium)   is acted upon by two coils. One coil is connected in such a way that it produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the voltage and the other produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the current. The field of the voltage coil is delayed by 90 degrees using a lag coil.[17] This produces eddy currents in the disc and the effect is such that a force is exerted on the disc in proportion to the product of the instantaneous current and voltage. A permanent magnet exerts an opposing force proportional to the speed of rotation of the disc. The equilibrium between these two opposing forces results in the disc rotating at a speed proportional to the power being used. The disc drives a register mechanism which integrates the speed of the disc over time by counting revolutions, much like the odometer in a car, in order to render a measurement of the total energy used over a period of time."

From here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter

So, although in some instances, eddy currents are wasteful, it is only by convention. When they appear in a coil, they generate energy.

It is in fact the source of so much trouble to valves. The oscillation of the valves can innitiate on the power side, eddy currents, destroying the gate if not clamped with condensors.



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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 10:04:44 AM »
Frankly
Good stuff!! I love your "Vision" of the Energy around us and how you explain it!
I believe it was bolt [a member here] who said "A dipole by nature is OU as long as you don't "Touch" it" [doesn't that suck].
Z's analogy and your "insight" definately paint an interesting picture!

Please be patient with those of us that Don't "see" so easily.

I'm from NYC , USA  I struggle thru life making Purpose built furniture for children with special needs,[mostly Autism and Downs syndrome].
I wish I could see the world the way you do,I know I could do a much better job if I did.

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So, although in some instances, eddy currents are wasteful, it is only by convention. When they appear in a coil, they generate energy.


"they Generate energy"?

I like the sound of that!!
More Please.....................

Thank you
Chet


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 11:28:22 AM »
Hi Chet.

Yes, eddy currents are the source of energy on a macro scale.

Within the center of atoms, the unit particle swirls and dances it's signature pattern, determining the nature of the atom it forms. This dance is called vibration by modern science, for as I have said, with modern equipment, I think we only see a part of the path of the particle. This dance is/can be fractaly advanced once it's nature is understood.

Life does it without thinking. It is a part of nature.

Human ingenuity can do it too.

There is a simple pattern, a mode if you will, to allow this. It is spoken of by Ed Leedskalnin, as his "Sweet Sixteen", (4 * 4) or by Eric Dollard, who uses 1/4 wave harmonics of the nuclear magnetic resonance of the target dipole, without even realising that is what he is doing. Or, even Tesla with his rotating magnetic field. Achieved only by correct "tuning" of the oscillations and application of equal and opposite magnetic fields, locking onto the target dipole's rotation and increasing it's speed of rotation, thereby, adding E into E=MC^2.

By this manner, we can truly amplify energy. Using the "lever" that supports the existence of matter, the "Wheel-work of nature" as Tesla put it, we can increase, by an exponential amount, the input energy, delivering into a load, 10^13 times more power, for the activated mass's reactance energy, if Beardon is correct.

Does any of this make sense?

Does anyone have the capacity to do the experiments I described?

What thoughts or "aha" moments have been had?

I need feedback.

What is it that is needed? I need to "see" that people are thinking. Or else, there is no learning. Only indoctrination. This is not the way. You each have to understand the process for yourself. From your own referance point in the universe, which is unique to each. To each their own.

I am not going to "give away" 17 years of my life for someone else to squander. It is not just my sacrifice that has been made, but my family also.

So, what thoughts, reflections, apparatus, processes, will lead to a resolution that can truly be called a "group effort" which can we achieve, for everyone, and our children?.

I am actively building, but it is slow.

Without help, it is hard.

I hear that there is a large amount of people in the world, clamouring for a better path. I think I see the way. It is one of togetherness. All of us, raising our potential together, as one. Tesla said, "Let them have the now, for the future is mine". I like to think he died with a smile upon his face. A smile of knowing.

Let these people that are out there, come here. If not, let them help. Only together can we make a difference. Commercialism leads to destruction. Socialism to corruption. Religion to war. Together, we prevail. Let us be one. Together.

Let's build the device that shows this capacity....to link with the "god particle" within us all, that part of us that links us each to everyone, and all to each other in every place, every time.

A worthwhile pursuit?


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Re: Eddy currents and their implications
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 01:21:50 PM »
A worthwhile pursuit?
Frankly, you have a unity based perspective...
The Oneness that I know.  Indeed, We are One...
We are all basically just bits of Gaia, like skin cells...
Goodwill to All, for All is One.  It is a true spirit based
perspective that the Dogma oriented philosophies do not
understand.  We must listen to our Mother, Gaia, and
bend to her will if we are to solve the problems that
plague us.  Contemporary solutions have run their course,
and it is time for new solutions that are really very, very
old solutions.  Energy is unlimited, everyone deserves their
equal share...

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