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Author Topic: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic  (Read 172715 times)

Offline CompuTutor

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2011, 07:59:01 AM »
...As then the energy is transferred only via
magnetic coupling INSIDE the stranded steel wires
it does not matter that the single strands touch each other,
cause they don´t conduct electrical current,
but magnetic dipole flipping only.

Perfectly said Stefan

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2011, 09:30:31 AM »
Yes,very nice Stefan, but I don't understand where is the output transformer ?


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2011, 09:40:06 AM »
Yes,very nice Stefan, but I don't understand where is the output transformer ?

Read the entire thread and look at the links...it's all explained.  The one 'wire' is really two rolled into one and the x-former coils would be at either end.


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2011, 09:41:38 AM »
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The question surely is, what losses do you get versus just a normal copper wire energy
transfer.
Would be interesting to compare the losses.
Probably the steel wire heats up after some time from the BH curve magnetisation hysteresis losses ?!

So it is more or less only a 1 wire steel core transformer ?!

Regards, Stefan.


Hello, Stephan,

About the losses, of course BH losses, eddy and hysteresis, but also flux leakage along the wire (when the strand are nearly together) in my test those two strand was separated by a small film of copper, (a film of aluminium, copper, even air (through a plastic like material)) give me the same result. The best to avoid flux leakage will be a good permeability wire and a diamagnetic material (like bismuth) surrounding this wire...


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »

Hello, Stephan,

About the losses, of course BH losses, eddy and hysteresis, but also flux leakage along the wire (when the strand are nearly together) in my test those two strand was separated by a small film of copper, (a film of aluminium, copper, even air (through a plastic like material)) give me the same result. The best to avoid flux leakage will be a good permeability wire and a diamagnetic material (like bismuth) surrounding this wire...

You guys have missed the entire point.  THERE ARE NO LOSSES WHEN THIS IS SETUP CORRECTLY.  And this is why OU eludes the masses when it has been explained again and again in various guises.  Do people not read?

You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses.  STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER THE FIRST PULSE.  THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil.  I stated this earlier....two for the price of one.

If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out.  However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth!  You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »
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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2011, 11:46:13 AM »
The question is,
if he is doing the same as the Avramenko plug ?

See:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm

There you can see Avramenko touch also the line
without getting shocked...
But this is normal, when he uses a few Mhz radio frequency,
so the waves just go on the surface of the skin, so not flowing through your body
and will not shock you.
Stefan,
this above , have nothingt to du with the serbian invention.
this Avramenko ist only (and nothing more)
than simply Highfrequency-power-oszillation.
the Led shown only some miniwatts, that will distributed from the two little antennas  (end of circuit) to the enviroment. (aether)

(i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago.
EACH ONE older radio-amateur know this system !!
I have not invented this! This are very old knowledges.
NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys....

Never more out than in ...
Gustav Pese

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2011, 03:47:55 PM »
Stefan,
this above , have nothingt to du with the serbian invention.
this Avramenko ist only (and nothing more)
than simply Highfrequency-power-oszillation.
the Led shown only some miniwatts, that will distributed from the two little antennas  (end of circuit) to the enviroment. (aether)

(i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago.
EACH ONE older radio-amateur know this system !!
I have not invented this! This are very old knowledges.
NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys....

Never more out than in ...
Gustav Pese

Hi Pese,
yes,the Avramenko plug is not OU, but you can transfer also a lot of energy via this way over one
wire. I have seen a picture where he lighted up a 1 KW Bulb with it with just a small single wire transfer.
You only need the right fast diodes and a good foil capacitor at the receiver.

But the Miletic invention seems to be just magnetic as explained above.

P.S. By the way,
I wonder if the circuit Fig. 14 in

http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html

is the trick to the Kapanadze device ?

As you make the iron core into a coil  there you amplify the A-Field and if you put a big sized
output wire there through it  as Kapanadze does, he gets huge currents out of it.

So maybe the real part of the Kapanadze circuit is such an A-Field amplifier iron
coil just powered by a sparkgap high voltage power supply ?
So maybe his few turns of big sizedwire on his coil is just isolated iron wire ?
( sorry this is of course offtopic over here)

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2011, 04:08:57 PM »
SIMPLE SIMPLE ANTENNA THEORY?


1.  It looks like there are 3 Enamel Coated Copper Wires (Magnet Wire) mounted on the Wood Board, TOUCHING EACH OTHER.
2.  The 2 wires FROM THE 230V WALL MAINS connect to the 2 OUTSIDE wires on the Wood Board.
3.  There is NO CURRENT drawn from the 230 V Mains, because the 3 wires are insulated wires.
4.  The Middle Wire is the OUTPUT WIRE that powers the bulb and drill motor in the video.

SPECULATION:

1.  The Center Output Wire is Capacitively Coupled and Inductively Coupled to the Outside 2 Mains Wires on the board.
2.  The Center Output Wire acts as an ANTENNA, so to speak.

FURTHER RESEARCH:

1.  If the all Copper Wires don't work, maybe the Center Wire has to be Iron?
2.  Maybe the Center Wire has to be Copper and the Outside Wires Iron?
3.  Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 Wires have to be Iron or Aluminum?
4.  Etc.
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« Last Edit: June 19, 2011, 10:59:44 PM by FatBird »

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2011, 04:42:06 PM »
A Side View shows the 3 Wires are COPPER COLORED.
Therefore, it sure looks like Magnet Wire is used.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2011, 05:09:08 PM »
Savings in the amount of wire required to wire a house alone would be significant if this really works as shown.  Also, just think of number of house fires prevented as well as other safety factors.   This invention could be worth multi-millions.
Lowering insurance costs, cost of wiring,  cost of transfering electricity and more. 
What do you think would be the best way to replicate this effect?   

Bill

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2011, 10:13:22 PM »
There are 4 wires feeding the plug from the main. Why?
Too much hype and sensationalism for me. No meter measurements on current draw of the drill. Then we have the patent pending before anyone can see the nomenclature. The reporters looked like they stepped out of a casket.

If this really does work with major power devices,we wont see it coming from him. The energy cartels are not going to want to lose money.


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2011, 10:22:15 PM »
Thanks to sseti from Slovenia!

serbian to english :

0:27-0:40
I brought a light bulb to show you how does it work on a single wire, a single uninsulated wire instead of two or three insulated wires.

0:40- 0:46

this one uninsulated wire contains ahmmmm conduct all three: zero, phase and earth

1:03- 1:18
three insulated wires are brought to this one uninsulated wire, which than conduct all three: phase, null and earth and is totally safe. So 1 mm wire.

1:29-1:48
It can not cause fire, spark can not get out of it, it can not kill anyone. Even if we cut it like this, this will cause internal power cut and spark would not come out.
Thanks to sseti from Slovenia for the translations!

2:03-2:11
Here I hold the wire, hand can be wet everyone can check it

2:35-2:52
It uses 40-50 wats instead of more kilowatts in owen (boiler) for heating water. Temperature is adjusted as desired. Here is adjusted at around 40 degrees. When we release the current all this is (?thermo something?) and it slowly growing.

3:28-3:47
What almost no one could do is such a small dimension , because this small (dimension) is already conducting more than 5 kilowatt hour khmmm (he repaired him self) kilowatts. Over 5 kilowats even it is 1 mm, a little bigger could conduct over 50 kilowats.

Reporter said that he used this wire for heating water.

In the start of video reporter also said, tahat Milutin tries for over twenty years to convince the world about the value of his invention.


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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2011, 03:06:52 AM »
Thank you for the Translation.  I have a question please.
In the line below, is the word  ahmmmm  meant to be Aluminum?

0:40- 0:46
this one uninsulated wire contains ahmmmm conduct all three: zero, phase and earth

Thank you.

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2011, 07:28:42 AM »
awg  -  mm



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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2011, 09:03:42 AM »
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You guys have missed the entire point.  THERE ARE NO LOSSES WHEN THIS IS SETUP CORRECTLY.  And this is why OU eludes the masses when it has been explained again and again in various guises.  Do people not read?

You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses.  STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER THE FIRST PULSE.  THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil.  I stated this earlier....two for the price of one.

If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out.  However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth!  You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.

Did you mean pulsed DC instead sine AC ?
Curious because in pulsed DC you have some eddy and hysteresis losses too...

Yeah, I know that Tesla used pulsed DC to obtain Radiant effect...

So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...

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Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
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