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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 567351 times)

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2011, 04:55:42 PM »
Doctor, correct me if I am wrong, but is this proposed method a can of worms, wanting for a better way of saying it.

First the transistor will no work in a linear way as the voltage on the cap decrease and what ever is the process taking place, I wonder if it can continue under this condition. Also the transistor will cutoff once the cap drops below Vbe, therefore you need to subtract that energy from the equation provided this would work.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2011, 05:30:36 PM »
Dr. Stiffler:

Off topic but it is good to see you posting here once again.  I am following your work also and it is amazing.  I hope that you are well.

Bill


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2011, 05:37:35 PM »
Dr. Stiffler:

Off topic but it is good to see you posting here once again.  I am following your work also and it is amazing.  I hope that you are well.

Bill

Bill, long time indeed.

Well I'm not back really, in my sadistic wisdom I thought I could save ton of work for people and the Doctor as you are well aware I have over the years taken much tar/feathers and maybe I could use some of that experience to save someone else.

The health is fair for 69, some knee trouble, pulled mussel  ;D now and then and of course the eyes are not what they should be, guess looking at all those bright white LED's is not good for you. Maybe just age again.

No I have no intention of sticking around, tons of work with the new self running battery charger boards.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2011, 05:45:57 PM »
This circuit was built and tested. It does not run forever because the Joule thief circuit used is not over unity. But, if someone has a Joule thief circuit that is over unity they can use this technique to feedback output to input so that the circuit will run forever.




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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2011, 07:06:13 PM »
A supercap can work if you let it discharge only up to say 90% of peak voltage and if it produces a measurable heat safely above the noise floor. Discharge from 100% to 90% can be assumed as linear.

Everything in this circuit, including the battery will dissipate heat. You can take a known battery and discharge it into a load, first without the circuit then with the circuit in between the battery and the load. Repeat 10x and plot the temperature data.

If you suspect some component is cooling down and causing the excess energy, while calorimeter measures a zero net change, you will have to isolate that component and take readings again.

This calorimetry thing is tedious and raw way, a pain , thats why no one does it :) but a lot can be learnt. I suggest going the way of rectifier and/or true rms meters first to gain some confidence. I hope replicators will start popping up in meantime.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2011, 10:47:33 PM »
Bill, long time indeed.

Well I'm not back really, in my sadistic wisdom I thought I could save ton of work for people and the Doctor as you are well aware I have over the years taken much tar/feathers and maybe I could use some of that experience to save someone else.

The health is fair for 69, some knee trouble, pulled mussel  ;D now and then and of course the eyes are not what they should be, guess looking at all those bright white LED's is not good for you. Maybe just age again.

No I have no intention of sticking around, tons of work with the new self running battery charger boards.

Thanks, Dr.  I've had my share of tar & feathers, mostly from other research, so I appreciate what you're saying. 
Someone -- where are Dr Stiffler's "new self running battery charger boards"?  I'd like to learn about various methods.

Thanks Omega -- I was thinking along the same lines: 
"A supercap can work if you let it discharge only up to say 90% of peak voltage and if it produces a measurable heat safely above the noise floor. Discharge from 100% to 90% can be assumed as linear."

It should be straightforward to have tiny wires going into the calorimeter -- to turn the DUT on and off.
We measure how long it takes for the supercap to go from 100% to about 90%, then simply let the DUT run that amount of time INSIDE -- and let the calorimeter do the Eout measurement.

Looking at the self-running option as well.  I agree with several of you that that is the "gold standard" for new energy.  (I agree Mk that  "OU" carries a lot of baggage and that we might do well as a community to find a new name.   "Novel EM energy"?  Anomalous energy?  Green energy?  )

Thanks again for comments. 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2011, 11:32:19 PM »
Thanks, Dr.  I've had my share of tar & feathers, mostly from other research, so I appreciate what you're saying. 
Someone -- where are Dr Stiffler's "new self running battery charger boards"?  I'd like to learn about various methods.

Thanks Omega -- I was thinking along the same lines: 
"A supercap can work if you let it discharge only up to say 90% of peak voltage and if it produces a measurable heat safely above the noise floor. Discharge from 100% to 90% can be assumed as linear."

It should be straightforward to have tiny wires going into the calorimeter -- to turn the DUT on and off.
We measure how long it takes for the supercap to go from 100% to about 90%, then simply let the DUT run that amount of time INSIDE -- and let the calorimeter do the Eout measurement.

Looking at the self-running option as well.  I agree with several of you that that is the "gold standard" for new energy.  (I agree Mk that  "OU" carries a lot of baggage and that we might do well as a community to find a new name.   "Novel EM energy"?  Anomalous energy?  Green energy?  )

Thanks again for comments.

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Someone -- where are Dr Stiffler's "new self running battery charger boards"?  I'd like to learn about various methods.

The layout and functionality are currently being tested, status info can be found in the comments section of my web page. The unit will be available to academics only through p.o. from institutions. Therefore upon release it appears you could secure one.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2011, 11:32:19 PM »
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2011, 12:31:17 AM »

Hi OU crowd,

Thanks to Dr. Steven E. Jones.

Should more 'official' scientists be on our side that the alleged 'energy crisis' will be over.

Actually, I'm not a scientist and I just wanted to ask a silly question:
is this set up able to measure any COP/Efficiency ?

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2011, 02:44:01 AM »
is this set up able to measure any COP/Efficiency ?

Yes. See this example > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smOiVmKv9f8

Note that since the output is pulses, a capacitor is needed to sum the energy of the pulses. And a diode is needed to prevent capacitor discharging back through transistor when it turns on. Each pulse adds energy to the capacitor and increases its voltage until the capacitor input power and output power are equal.

If the Joule thief output is AC (not normal for a Joule thief), then a full wave rectifier should be used instead of the diode.


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2011, 02:59:12 AM »
@Xee2

OK.
Thanks for answering.
Thanks for the vid.
I do like the assembly.
I often use this kinda 'layout' too.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2011, 04:14:32 AM »
Yes. See this example > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smOiVmKv9f8

Note that since the output is pulses, a capacitor is needed to sum the energy of the pulses. And a diode is needed to prevent capacitor discharging back through transistor when it turns on. Each pulse adds energy to the capacitor and increases its voltage until the capacitor input power and output power are equal.

If the Joule thief output is AC (not normal for a Joule thief), then a full wave rectifier should be used instead of the diode.

If you will look at the input Power waveform from the Tek 3032 (in my early posts), you will see that the instantaneous Pin has a large AC component.  The Tek provides V(t) * I(t), then over numerous cycles will calculate the mean input power.  I trust this method much more than  using a DVM to measure I (meter) * V (battery), given the AC component in the input power.

Indeed, measuring the input power is challenging, given the remarkable AC component observed... hence the suggestion to use a cap for the input in lieu of a battery.  Or a calorimeter for the measurements.

I'm looking for a capacitor that does not "leak" appreciably, something in the 0.5 F range would be great.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2011, 05:30:54 AM »
If you will look at the input Power waveform from the Tek 3032 (in my early posts), you will see that the instantaneous Pin has a large AC component.  The Tek provides V(t) * I(t), then over numerous cycles will calculate the mean input power.  I trust this method much more than  using a DVM to measure I (meter) * V (battery), given the AC component in the input power.

Indeed, measuring the input power is challenging, given the remarkable AC component observed... hence the suggestion to use a cap for the input in lieu of a battery.  Or a calorimeter for the measurements.

I'm looking for a capacitor that does not "leak" appreciably, something in the 0.5 F range would be great.

Yes this is true. I originally put a large capacitor between ground and the output of the amp meter to filter the noise. But I have found that all of my digital meters do a good job of computing the average current even with these pulses so I stopped adding the capacitor. All of my meters seem to give about the same reading without the capacitor as with it. However, this may not be true for all meters, so adding a large capacitor may help in some cases. I am also assuming that there is generally no need to get a super-exact measurement in order to determine if over unit exits, I have yet to find a device that was even close.

If your Tek meter is giving you 8 times more output power than in I think you should also try another method of testing since that is rather suspicious. I am sure that is what you told you students when they came up with questionable results.

I hope I do not seem too negative, I really do have an open mind. That is why I examine devices claiming over unity. However, after so many claims turn out to be wrong I guess I do get a bit suspicious when someone claims such a large COP.










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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2011, 05:33:00 AM »

Hi OU blokes,

I'm far from a skeptic, just the contrary.

OK. OK! F' measurements! The TEK gives OU ! God save the TEK. :D

My intuition (and also some experiments) tells me that all these kinda JT CCTs are, indeed, more or less, 'OU'.

But 'intuition' is not scientific. Is it?

My experiments was about a non charge conservation anomaly.
For ex: a replication of : http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm
Yes, there is non charge conservation if you use a kinda JT CCT.
A non charge conservation but not 'OU'. (1/2 * C * V *V - wise).

You know what?
IMHO, Nature does not like to be disturbed and "over" reacts.
This appends when you use square waves, resonance. and other shenanigans.
Of course, if you dismiss the existence of Aether you should experiment some psychological trouble.
Just IMHO.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2011, 07:19:12 AM »
I'm far from a skeptic, just the contrary.

There is a lot of good evidence that T. Henry Moray had a working OU device. You may want to read up on him.



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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2011, 10:01:01 AM »
If you will look at the input Power waveform from the Tek 3032 (in my early posts), you will see that the instantaneous Pin has a large AC component.  The Tek provides V(t) * I(t), then over numerous cycles will calculate the mean input power.  I trust this method much more than  using a DVM to measure I (meter) * V (battery), given the AC component in the input power.

Indeed, measuring the input power is challenging, given the remarkable AC component observed... hence the suggestion to use a cap for the input in lieu of a battery.  Or a calorimeter for the measurements.

I'm looking for a capacitor that does not "leak" appreciably, something in the 0.5 F range would be great.
I urge you to reconsider Professor.

When dealing with DC power sources, heavy averaging of both the battery voltage and current signals is the most reliable way to measure input power. You simply multiply the two DMM values together (taking the CSR value into account), and the result is an accurate net average INPUT power measurement.

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