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ElectricGoose:
This is a new thread to develop FEASABLE WORKING products that are KNOWN to be FACT.  In the interest of efficiency, please post only factual documentation or prototype schematics that you have personally worked on so that this remains a quality thread with devices easily replicated for others.

Discussion was previously held at the "4th of May water announcement thread".

RM and Chet....if you know a way to quickly bring over some of the pertinent discussions from the other thread, please do so.

Thanks.

ElectricGoose:
RM

Your mind is working overtime man!  ;D  Yes the Gasifier is a great device because it is so flexible in its design.  You know, Austria has huge Gasifier turbine energy plants where they utilise wood chips to make 'Syngas' which then feed the turbines and create electricity.

Here are some great FACTS for you about PLASTIC and synthetic products.

1)  Waste plastic and rubber is FREE and there is plenty of it.
2)  It is manufactured from oil and hence, energy can always be converted back into its previous form (sometimes at MINOR cost
3)  If making LIQUID fuel from plastic, you can recover more than 80% of the petroleum back!!!!!  This is huge.
4)  IF utilizing a 'reactor' to make Syngas (Gasifier), your recovery rate can be even higher than that!!!

RM....your thinking about the preheating ELECTRIC module of a syngas reactor (to start process when engine cold) and then untilizing some other form of waste heat to heat the gasifier (think Exhaust), is right on the money!! 

I cant state this clear enough guys - FORGET HHO FOR NOW.  The amount of energy you spend in splitting the water to only have it recombine is a lot of pointless busywork and it only costs you effort and heartache.  HHO is a real bitch to tune also!!

THINK about the suggestions I have given you and the upsides are -

1)  They work on conventional ICE's
2)  Very little to no tuning is required
3) No elaborate electrical setup
4)  HHO has to utilize clean water with nasty chemicals and you are always cleaning the damn thing.

If you go the route of Syngas, Oil/water emulsion, Fume bubbler, WITH WATER VAPOR INJECTION, the reaction is done for you via catalytic process and you get the same massive energy boost (often MORE) than you would with HHO.

OK...now about Gasifiers/Syngas reactors.  For all his talk about cold fusion and magnetic poles blah blah....this is all that the Geet Reactor is....a VERY efficient Syngas reactor utilizing the waste heat of exhaust to catalyse water and carbon molecules within a venturi.  The output is very thin CLEAN syngas.  You could utilize anything carbon based on the front end of a Geet.

OK...now attempt to simplify and miniaturize.

Regards

ramset:
E Goose
Very nice place you have here!
For me Making Fuel from waste plastic ,the way "Blest" the Japanese Comp Does Would be A good Goal.
  Making the Gas [Liquid Or Vapor] Then Running the whole process In a Loop Plus Extra!,Thats My kind of OU!!
AS I recall User Resin Rat commented something about a narrow Temp window where the magic happens ,He intimated that it wouldn't be easy
for the Doit Yourself crowd!

This may have been for the Tougher plastics ,I also remember something about 400 degrees F?

An 80% return is Stupifying ,We gotta give this a go...........

I am most definately going to play with this!
I hope Resin Rat can share some of the Chemistry involved with this?
I will Pm him ,And Beg is Input here................
Thanks
Chet

TheOne:
I like this concept to recycle plastic or rubber, recycling car tire would be very great and so easy to get and free.

To get a car/truck to run 100% from it, what is the size of the reactor that we need, you will probably never able to
put in the engine bay where all the heat is located?

If you put in the trunk the problem is to get move the eat from the engine bay in the reactor.

evolvingape:
Repost from original thread:    

"I don't buy that part of %2 gasoline in the water it would just pool up in one or two place's. I doubt it would even get through the system, if it did it would go through as a glob of gas not a %2 mixture. It would have to be injected some other way, not sure how?"
     Pete


OMG...cmon people...youre thinking so small and not even towards the outside of the box yet!

Of course its not going to be a glob of gasoline floating in a big tank of water, however there are ways to mix water and oil you know!!!

Im not going to give you the ultimate answer to water fuel but I will laugh at Mr X's 25 - 30% 'saving and give you two suggestions that will EASILY give you 50 - 70% fuel saving and a minimum 50% increase in power.

Forget HHO and all its baloney.  For all the work and energy that you put in, there are 'windows' of massive explosive power that can be gained from water but these are so small in the experimentation and so finicky that they are almost impossible to replicate.  HHO GAS alone is troublesome and a waste of time.  Not to mention all the expense of parts, making the device, distilled water, chemicals, constantly cleaning the stupid thing and more.

Here are two things you can replicate SIMPLY and test with old engines.

1)  EMULSIFIERS - Emulsifiers allow the oil molecule to be bound up into the water.  (This is how you run diesel engines on as low as 50% water to waste oil mix by using the correct emulsifier).  You know those lotions you put on your hands and face?  They utilize emulsifiers!!  They have to otherwise each time you open the container, you would be faced with the water components separated from the oils in the lotion.  Pre-mixing the fuel with the assistance of an emulsifier that will burn off without leaving residue in the engine is the key to BIG savings for diesel engines but can work with gasoline also.

2)  As 'TheOne' suggested, a VERY SIMPLE option for old carburettor gas engines is a plain tank of water with the gasoline floating in it (no emulsion).  You use the vacuum of the engine to draw the air through the bubbler and this agitates the gasoline water mix and the vehicle subsequently runs on FUMES and evaporated WATER VAPOR which enhance the detonation.  Unlike normal injection or carburettors which are designed to SPRAY the fuel (in what seems gigantic wasteful droplets), the bubbler FUMES and there is virtually no waste or pollution thanks to the water also.  Additionally, due to the water being EVAPORATED off, you dont need to go to the expense of distilled water.

Anyway, this is all very easy to test on a small or large scale.  Buy yourself an old bunky for your daughter who is about to get a drivers licence and install a bubbler tank on it!  It will require minimum of tuning also (unlike these pure HHO systems) and slash your fuel bill by at least 50% for hardly any effort.

The answers are out there.  Knowledge is the key to everything and this is nothing compared to what can be accomplished.  However before you all start waste time jumping from one thing to another chasing dreams that might never be and some cold fusion powered car that you will likely never see in your lifetime, start making changes RIGHT THIS INSTANT.  50% fuel saving is not to be laughed at and its not some pie in the sky idea....its old school physics that work.  Stick it to the man now!

THINK!!

ElectricGoose

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