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Author Topic: TheOne - 100% HHO Conversion Blog - JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LIMITED 4.7L 1999  (Read 33141 times)

Offline milosz

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Ok I checked the compression of each 8 cylinders and 2 cylinders have 0 PSI so I need to remove the valve cover and see the issue, I guess I will need some repair in the engine :)
Without problems it would be to easy and no fun, haha ;)

I've made small progress today too. Volo chip installed; first drive after me - but only 10 miles. First feeling: about 10% less fuel consumption - but it may be purely auto-suggestion, too soon to say. Big plans for connecting HHO on Sunday, if i will have just enough time :-)

Good luck with engine!

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Offline TheOne

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The volo chip you have is the HHO FS2?

They are a lot of thing you can buy as chip for HHO, they are one that reprogram the ECU to run better with more hp using 87 OCTANE gas etc... I think this could help, the thing is that cost a lot around 350$, so if I buy that I will program the jeep in my area for 50$ to pay this ECU tool lol

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Superchips-3875-Electronic-Control-Unit-Chip-/350394763583?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AJeep%7CModel%3AGrand+Cherokee%7CYear%3A1999&hash=item519527c93f#ht_681wt_907
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Superchips-JEEP-Flashpaq-3875-Super-Chips-Programmer-/110693733229?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AJeep%7CModel%3AGrand+Cherokee%7CYear%3A1999&hash=item19c5dc536d#ht_3316wt_907

So if you program your ECU with that at first this will help, after add your VOLO or SIMILAR device

Keep me informed with your VOLO i will maybe buy one too, I need to repair the engine first lol

I removed the valve head, now I need to dismantle a lot of crap just to remove the cylinder head, then I will go somewhere to restore the cylinder head/valve head like a new for 375$ and put back everything back and hopefully my jeep will run like a new



Offline milosz

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Hi again,
So... after a few days break I've made a small progress.
1) VOLO chip installed (Yes, FS2-HHO edition, sorry, i've missed your question earlier)
2) HHO connected to air intake, but on separate accu in my trunk with no electrical connection to main installation.
and... after first drive (about 20 miles) no visible change in mpg.
I'm almost sure the engine is working different, as it is quieter. My DryCell is using 12- 14 ampers. I have no idea how to measure HHO output in liters. I think, that VOLO has to learn how to manage gas.
During the weekend I should drive about 80 miles outside the city and maybe than I will see some improvement.
I'm curious, if about 13 amp is enough to see the difference in 4.0L engine, but I think it should be?

Do you have some ideas ( maybe ebay links to controllers  etc ;-) ) on how to load second battery when there is some free energy on alternator? I'm thinking on some solution taken from camper van's.

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Hi Milo, the easiest and cheapest way to measure your gas output is this:
1.  Get a big tub-bucket of water.
2.  Get a 1 or 2 liter plastic bottle (or whatever you have in your recycle bin from juice-soda etc).
3.  Get a long tube to connect to your output line of your HHO device.
4.  Draw a line with a permanent marker every 1/4 way up your bottle.
5.  Submerge plastic bottle in tub of water and place it so the open end is at bottom.
6.  Feed tube from HHO device up into bottle.
7.  Run your HHO device for 1 minute and stop.
8.  Measure how much water was removed from the bottle, either visually or place finger on bottom
      remove bottle so no water gets out and flip over.
9.  Post your results :)

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Hi again,
So... after a few days break I've made a small progress.
1) VOLO chip installed (Yes, FS2-HHO edition, sorry, i've missed your question earlier)
2) HHO connected to air intake, but on separate accu in my trunk with no electrical connection to main installation.
and... after first drive (about 20 miles) no visible change in mpg.
I'm almost sure the engine is working different, as it is quieter. My DryCell is using 12- 14 ampers. I have no idea how to measure HHO output in liters. I think, that VOLO has to learn how to manage gas.
During the weekend I should drive about 80 miles outside the city and maybe than I will see some improvement.
I'm curious, if about 13 amp is enough to see the difference in 4.0L engine, but I think it should be?

Do you have some ideas ( maybe ebay links to controllers  etc ;-) ) on how to load second battery when there is some free energy on alternator? I'm thinking on some solution taken from camper van's.

How to Build an HHO Gas Output Measurement Device
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVbih5yJso

Yes I see good controller on ebay, some with big amp and smaller one, I did not boy it so far but
they looks fine
12V/30A (28$ + Shipping): http://cgi.ebay.ca/12V-30A-DC-Motor-Speed-Control-PWM-HHO-RC-Controller-/220646571440?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335f8f7db0#ht_6093wt_1066
36V/30A (25$ + Shipping): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320569469395&category=71394#ht_6085wt_1058

I need to repair my garage before removing cylinder head, so I have some delay on my jeep, so lot of work :( but since my roof is no good with rain, water enter, I redo the roof with new truss it why no update!! :)

I hope in a month finish my garage and will show the new garage, I received all my stuffs related to the jeep, air intake, GPS Bluetooth with Windows CE and Bluetooth OBD2 device (I will try to use the ODB2 device on it, to see all data in realtime while I drive), I am confident after all the mod, my jeep will be more economic compared to my civic hybrid!

Also about the VOLO, does this chips is good to buy so far? I was imagining you get better mileage even without HHO with this device.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 05:44:16 AM by TheOne »

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Offline milosz

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Thanx for input guys, I's quite easy to measure output ;D
As a controller, I was thinking of some automatic switch to control both batteries (Main with priority + Trunk + maybe solar panel later on), but maybe PWM... I'll think about it after I achieve some visible improvement.

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Also about the VOLO, does this chips is good to buy so far? I was imagining you get better mileage even without HHO with this device.
Right now, I'd say: I don't know yet. I think VOLO without HHO improved mileage by about 10%. But now, with HHO I see no more difference. As I've said, hope that after longer distance it will look better, as manufacturer advised.
I wouldn't like to play with MAP and O2 sensors  :(

I was thinking of some on-board computer connected to ODBII too, but it's topic for future.

As I'm working full time job, I've not too much time for this project, unfortunately. So I'm moving slowly. But small steps to victory ;D
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 10:27:13 AM by milosz »

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A new thing I came across via The ScareCrow Show, the gadgetman groove, seam to be a very optimized tornado mod, you need to do some mod on the carburator, I will try that for sure

Here a video about the mod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSjT6LsDfGc
http://www.gadgetmangroove.com
or on youtube check all the video about the GadgetManGlobal: http://www.youtube.com/user/GadgetmanGlobal

With this mod its easy to get something like 30% better mileage! See the video, so with HHO you will need less LPM to do the same job.

Also I am thinking of buying another jeep to get another engine, or maybe a better then mine, I see one with V6 4.0 but I dont know this engine and I cannot reuse anything from my engine, so its to much job to do a swap or I need to forget about the one I have, I will see what I will do :)


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Offline milosz

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A new thing I came across via The ScareCrow Show, the gadgetman groove, seam to be a very optimized tornado mod, you need to do some mod on the carburator, I will try that for sure

I'll check this too. But now time to do some electrics. I've bitten my record in mpg. It is about 25% less fuel consumption after 14Amps HHO and VOLO chip. So decision made - this first step is worth better mounting. I'am thinking where to connect HHO cell relay. Probably the best choice is to fuel pump. I need to get another PWM, as you advised, to power second battery from alternator. And to do best measurements and testing, some switch to easily power off volo and hho. I've ordered bluetooth ODBII connector - it should work on my laptop and on PDA with windows mobile too. Hope it will arrive on Tuesday.
I'm thinking how to measure alternator capabilities. How many ampers can i draw without harming him ;)
Unfortunately some 'problem' with automatic transmission occurred. I have to diagnose if this is due to my changes, or something else.

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I hope your transmission is fine, cost a lot to repair!!

25% is good, my objective is to be able at first to get the same mileage as my civic hybrid, at least something like 7L/100km, in MPG dont really know we dont use that here :) but its like 50% more mileage... but I suppose I will have some gain but will not get that at the begining but if I can get 25% like you that a good start! But with all the crap I want todo on that jeep, I guess 50% is quite possible..

Today I buy a Supership 3875 to reprogram the ECU, unfortunitly you can only program one jeep, you cannot do it on 2 differents jeep.. I got a deal from someone in the JeepForum, instead of paying 330 + shipping its 260 shipping free, So I will use this to program the ECU for fuel mode, also this improve the transmission so it a good thing to do I think, if you are interested you can still buy one from the guy, until the end of june,

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310/june-sale-superchips-3875-jeep-flashpaq-lowest-price-ever-1227265/

Also I discover some good stainless steal plate at home depot or any shop like this one, the plate have some hole but for 1$ each, you can make a big size cell at no cost, its a nail plate around 8" by 4", I did not check the size but its around that.

Also the gadgetman groove, if you mention you listened the show, you get a discount of 200$, instead of paying 350$ for the mod, its 150$, I think we can still do the mod with a  dremmel tool but they are some angle you most have to get it right, we have until 7 july for the discount..
 

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Thursday  i am supposed to get a new jeep, identical as mine, but working lol, even this jeep have a lot of mod already, anyway here the beast that I will get if everything go fine

I hope I will get it, I am so tired about my civic hybrid, just need a new vehicle....

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Thursday  i am supposed to get a new jeep, identical as mine, but working lol, even this jeep have a lot of mod already, anyway here the beast that I will get if everything go fine

I hope I will get it, I am so tired about my civic hybrid, just need a new vehicle....

Nice :-)
 I've received ODBII tool. Today's topic: Software installation and tests ;)

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Nice :-)
 I've received ODBII tool. Today's topic: Software installation and tests ;)

I will play with that too once I got a vehicule i can use for test hehe. I cannot plug OBD2 on my hybrid, and since my current jeep is dead I cannot test it on it, so once I got the new one I will try it, I am supposing we have the same thing or mostly the same thing, I will see when you will post your update :)

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Here some shots of the metal sheet  was talking, I buy 10 of this for 0.67$ each, I dont know if they will do the job for producing HHO but I will use them at first.

The size is 5"x3"

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I started to make video about the mod I will do

1. Initial test, no mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuYbnZuKlRc
23.97 MPG

2. Tire with max psi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvUosXGibf0
24.1 MPG - No signifiant change

Next mod is ECU Update with Superchip 3875 on Fuel saving mode, I hope to see an increase with this, at the first, the RPM idle is lower.

I ordered a Carbon monoxide CO Gas meter for measuring the effect of the mod and a air/temp speed for validating the claim about the muffler I want to install.

 

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