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Author Topic: TheOne - 100% HHO Conversion Blog - JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LIMITED 4.7L 1999  (Read 33140 times)

Offline TheOne

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My objective is to convert my new toy on 100% HHO or at least the most of what I can get from HHO...

Before I start I need to find some problem (bug) with the engine since it does not start for now LOL... And some paint job to remov rust and make the jeep look like a new! I got this jeep for 1000$... so its not a new model :)

I will do first some MOD that will help for gasoline only before putting all my effort on HHO.

I ordered this spark plug:
http://extremespark.com/

I will buy this muffler 2525L area turbine:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f221/aero-exhaust-2525-turbine-muffler-963333/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDTTOa77efs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oONUem-sb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSfq7PAGOs

It weird the official web site from this muffler seam down I hope they still exist!

Performance ship or ECU hack / sensor ACK device on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/110681041577?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.ca%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D110681041577%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1#ht_3316wt_907
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HHO Cell on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/140544487950?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.ca%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D140544487950%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1#ht_1371wt_1141
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I saw a lot of device on ebay to control the ECU or handle sensor for HHO, I will list them soon also some HHO cell on ebay that look good and we will debate on what is the best or making one from scratch like the design from evolvingape

Some photo of my baby:
« Last Edit: May 07, 2011, 05:33:55 AM by TheOne »

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  That looks great good luck
  Pete

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Ok here a list of thing I will do on this JEEP:

* Custom Tornado device for Air Intake
* Custom Voltage Regulator
* Hot Air Intake
* PCV Can Filter
* 8 x Torque Spark Plug
* Area Turbine Muffler 2525XL
* Ceramic coating for engine (less friction, less problem with HHO)
* HHO
* EIFE for O2 / MAP / MAF Sensor
* Gasifier?
* Plasma in Spark Plug
* Water injection (not sure about this one yet)
* Boat battery for HHO / Gasifier

This is the list of most of the thing we can do to get better mileage

If you have other suggestion I will listen :)

Right now I am working on my garage roof before rain start in few days, I want to stop the leak from the roof since its an old garage, once done I will start thing on my JEEP.

My main problem right now is to start the JEEP, I buyed a ODB2 device to scan for problem and also with this one I will able to see all sensors data and see what is going on when I will put a device.

« Last Edit: May 10, 2011, 06:53:40 PM by TheOne »

Offline mscoffman

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For HHO they often recommend a high amperage (high wattage) custom
alternator. Sometimes it even makes sense to install dual alternators
if there is enough room...as with everything I would get the vehicle in
a stable running configuration so mods don't create futher difficulties.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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For HHO they often recommend a high amperage (high wattage) custom
alternator. Sometimes it even makes sense to install dual alternators
if there is enough room...as with everything I would get the vehicle in
a stable running configuration so mods don't create futher difficulties.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Yes, I forget to add the external battery, I will use a boat battery to power up the HHO and Gasifier, I dont want to add extra stress to the alternator

So the boat battery will recharge via solar panel or I will charge it once a week.

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Offline TheOne

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I finally found why the jeep was not working, now it start, a fuse located in the engine bay related to the battery was burnout, I changed the fuse and the jeep started right away.

I still have another issue with the engine, the engine is shaking, I suppose its related to the engine mount, need to check.

Today I received my ODB2 device, it work like a charm. I will use it to check the O2 sensor and see what is going on with the HHO or when I add something new

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I ordered my Areo Turbine 2525XL muffler today, I will receive the muffler in 2-3 weeks... This should add a 15% in fuel economy alone

I found this on ebay, search for 2525XL.

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I received my new spark plug (torque master plug) I have the start type configuration.

Here a photo, sorry the picture is crap, I cannot get a clear image with my iphone with small object...

Video of the plug in action: http://www.extremespark.com/videos.html

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Today I made my own tornado device here how to do it:

1. Remove all the plastic around the AIR INTAKE and find the carburator, where the air go just before the engine, like the photos
2. Take the hole diameter multiply by PI (3.141558) + 1 cm = LENGTH
3. Find a stainless steel metal sheet cut around 2" *  LENGTH
4. Divide the sheet in 8 section, Cut 1" on each section
5. With a clamp, fold each section in 2, like the photos bellow
6. Put your TORNADO in the hole

I think I found the problem related to my engine, today I also changed all my spark plug with the new TORQUE MASTER plug, One of the plug (neg touched pos), so the coil to the dead plug was also dead, tomorrow I will get a new coil and my engine hopefully will work like a charm!

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Another photo that I forget to put from my previous post

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Hi (and Welcome everyone as it is my first post here :) )
I'm very interested in Your work as I've the same goal on almost the same car (Grand Cherokee 4.0L)
I'm less experienced in car tuning and in many fields just stared getting knowledge, so I'm waiting for your every post.
I already have HHO cell and I'm experimenting with it, but not yet in car engine.

Have you measured MPG increase after installation of home made Tornado device?
Thanx for info and good luck!

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Hi (and Welcome everyone as it is my first post here :) )
I'm very interested in Your work as I've the same goal on almost the same car (Grand Cherokee 4.0L)
I'm less experienced in car tuning and in many fields just stared getting knowledge, so I'm waiting for your every post.
I already have HHO cell and I'm experimenting with it, but not yet in car engine.

Have you measured MPG increase after installation of home made Tornado device?
Thanx for info and good luck!

Welcome my friend. I heard in the jeep forum that the V8 4.7L seam to be more economical then the V6 4.0L, but you will able to upgrade it to save as well...

As far for my JEEP, I still have an issue with the engine, I buyed a tool to check cylinder compression, I will start to repair the engine in the following week lol, so I dont drive with it so far. Once its repaired yes I will use it instead of using my civic hybrid LOL

My objective is to be more economical then my civic hybrid at first and then be 100% HH0

On another note I received my Areo Turbine muffler this week, so most of the thing I ordered are here, just need to repair my engine to be able to continue!

About the tornado device, some say it do nothing, some say it does something, I think it depend where you put the device on, some put in near after the filter, but its bad, the best spot to put the device its like the image I post, just before the air enter the engine... what this thing can do, probably not that much, I expect something like 2-5% economy max, but If you put all the thing together you will able to get 50%. It why I have done one, also you can buy one for 10$ with shipping on ebay, but I figured out it was more easy to do it using scrap metal I already have.

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I share you approach - small steps can lead to 50% economy - I would be glad to achieve this.
I'm thinking of buying USB-OBD II connector and software, but not yet decided if I will need one. My car is running and for now I will trust on board computer fuel consumption indications.
I've read today about this Areo Turbine. I'm curious if and how much it helps.
I've also bought Volo performance chip HHO edition - don't know if it helps. I've decided to risk. But when connected with HHO, I wouldn't have to play with O2 sensors. Hope to receive it next week. And then I'll connect my dry cell and... hope it will work ;)

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About the tornado device, some say it do nothing, some say it does something, I think it depend where you put the device on, some put in near after the filter, but its bad, the best spot to put the device its like the image I post, just before the air enter the engine... what this thing can do, probably not that much, I expect something like 2-5% economy max, but If you put all the thing together you will able to get 50%. It why I have done one, also you can buy one for 10$ with shipping on ebay, but I figured out it was more easy to do it using scrap metal I already have.

I've some spare metal and scissors too :-) so, if time allows, i'll try it too. Nothing to loose, 2% to gain :)

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I share you approach - small steps can lead to 50% economy - I would be glad to achieve this.
I'm thinking of buying USB-OBD II connector and software, but not yet decided if I will need one. My car is running and for now I will trust on board computer fuel consumption indications.

Yes I will use my onboard fuel consumption for now too

4 years ago, I owned the same jeep model and year, I putted the areo muffler, I can say its really help, for fuel and for power gain, also the sound is so cool lol

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Ok I checked the compression of each 8 cylinders and 2 cylinders have 0 PSI so I need to remove the valve cover and see the issue, I guess I will need some repair in the engine :)

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