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Author Topic: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?  (Read 22910 times)

Offline dandman

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2011, 04:47:50 AM »
Anyone find anything unusual about the statistics below???


They represent the discharge of a 3 lead acid battery configuration at a constant 12v 1.1 amp with a resistor (car bulb) and the charge states at 24 hour (approx) intervals. It should be noted that at no point during discharge were the batteries attached to any kind of charging device, mechanical or electrical. Prior to beginning discharge, the batteries were charged to their start state with a standard 2.5amp car charger in parallel and the first readings are prior to disconnection. The remainder of the readings are at the end of the 24hr periods, after which the configuration was changed systematically. The same results can be achieved with different discharge rates and with induction ie attaching an inverter to run a.c. applications.

Day 1 Midday 11deg c 5/9/11
Battery   Hydrometer Reading   Voltage Reading
B1         1.245                          14.25v
B2         1.240                          14.25v
B3         1.240                          14.25v

Day  2  9am 8deg c 6/9/11
B1         1.235                          12.54v
B2         1.250                          12.74v
B3         1.250                          14.89v

Day 3  7:30am 7deg c 7/9/11
B1         1.245                          14.21v
B2         1.235                          12.43v
B3         1.240                          12.69v

Day 4  7:30am 10deg c 8/9/11
B1         1.240                          12.50v
B2         1.255                          13.25v
B3         1.245                          12.40v

Day 5  8:45am 10deg c 9/9/11
B1         1.245                          13.12v
B2         1.250                          12.33v
B3         1.245                          12.40v

Day 6  7:30am 6deg c 10/9/11
B1         1.230                         10.75v
B2         1.250                         12.52v
B3         1.250                         12.67v

Day 7  9am 9deg c 11/9/11
B1         1.240                         12.35v
B2         1.250                         12.61v
B3         1.225                         12.17v

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2011, 11:27:33 AM »
The problem is you are using batteries.


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2011, 11:35:50 PM »
Hey cutting edge, they are fickle things arent they. Check day2 b3, day3 b1,day4 b2 etc. As 2 of the batteries discharge 1 charges, the hydrometer readings are there to confirm that the electrolyte density is changing and not just battery voltage. Therefore proving that charging is actually taking place, grin

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2011, 05:22:51 AM »
Hey cutting edge, they are fickle things arent they. Check day2 b3, day3 b1,day4 b2 etc. As 2 of the batteries discharge 1 charges, the hydrometer readings are there to confirm that the electrolyte density is changing and not just battery voltage. Therefore proving that charging is actually taking place, grin

I agree with your analysis but batteries wear out over time.


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2011, 05:41:30 AM »
AT LAST, thanks cutting edge. a battery does have a finite life, agreed, however, if over the period of that life one can produce a benefit (energy) in another battery, as a consequence of the use, be it light, heat or motive power surely it is worthy of further investigation?. As far as I am aware, the stats provided prove that there is a consequencial benefit available over and above its use?.

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2011, 06:09:38 AM »
AT LAST, thanks cutting edge. a battery does have a finite life, agreed, however, if over the period of that life one can produce a benefit (energy) in another battery, as a consequence of the use, be it light, heat or motive power surely it is worthy of further investigation?. As far as I am aware, the stats provided prove that there is a consequencial benefit available over and above its use?.

Are you aware of how much energy goes into building a battery? does one get more energy out of the battery then what it took to make it? processing, refinement, element purity and so forth, what is the total energy spent on making it compared to its out put?

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2011, 06:16:33 AM »
I am aware that the same amount of energy that went into making a battery yesterday, before an additional benefit was apparent, is the same as today, after there is an additional benefit available, therefore, any benefit is an additional gain, is it not?.

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2011, 06:21:59 AM »
I am aware that the same amount of energy that went into making a battery yesterday, before an additional benefit was apparent, is the same as today, after there is an additional benefit available, therefore, any benefit is an additional gain, is it not?.

I'll give you that but it is still not over unity compared to all that was required to make the process occur. that includes any energy you put into it yourself to make it happen and Humans do use a lot of energy inefficiently.

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2011, 06:31:17 AM »
Hi Cutting edge, Are you just sorry you agreed with my analysis or is there some point to this diversion on energy spent making electorchemical devices. As far as Im aware, if you make a rowing boat, the more times you can use it the more it was worth making it??

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2011, 06:36:28 AM »
Hi Cutting edge, Are you just sorry you agreed with my analysis or is there some point to this diversion on energy spent making electorchemical devices. As far as Im aware, if you make a rowing boat, the more times you can use it the more it was worth making it??

Now you are talking, I love that analogy. I am not here to screw up your enjoyment of the ride, I am just here to remind you that it took a lot of effort in getting that ride. enjoy and I do look forward in your next update.

thanks.
Jerry

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2011, 06:47:07 AM »
Jerry, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for the interaction. I got the message. I aint here for the enjoyment of the ride though. I got nearly 6 years invested in this search. Problem is getting to someone open minded enough, without the restrictions of academic learning, to accept that it can happen. The beginning of these post were more to try to find that kind of mind.
Cheers buddy

Danny

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2011, 05:47:47 AM »
Hi All, If the following is a correct modern day description of overunity.
 hypothetical machines that produce more work or energy than they consume, whether they might operate indefinitely or not.
Then does it follow that if one can cause 1 amp of electro chemical energy to pass across a battery with a charging effect for every 1 amp of electro chemical energy used from another battery would be considered overunity?.
This is a serious question, so please, refrain from scoffing, sarcasm, or any derogatory replies.

Thanks


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2011, 08:29:20 AM »
Hi All, If the following is a correct modern day description of overunity.
 hypothetical machines that produce more work or energy than they consume, whether they might operate indefinitely or not.
Then does it follow that if one can cause 1 amp of electro chemical energy to pass across a battery with a charging effect for every 1 amp of electro chemical energy used from another battery would be considered overunity?.
This is a serious question, so please, refrain from scoffing, sarcasm, or any derogatory replies.

Thanks

Hi Dandman

In the search for the truth, one must first of all be truthful and the truth is sometime hard to take...however I shall be gentle and not derogatory.

Probably the first thing wrong with your question is the description of OU.  You either have OU or no OU...there is no half way.  Either the glass is overflowing or it is not, it is that simple so therefore when you stated "whether they (the device) might operate indefinitely or not", I have a big problem with that!  If the device is not running indefinitely how can it be claimed as OU?  I guess someone pedantic here might reply and say " I calculated all the horsepower worked as opposed to the horsepower/joules stored in battery/capacitor and its only because the output is not routed back to input that the device does not run indefinitely"  Yes...on paper that might be ok but considering there is so much talk in forums and theories ad nauseum, a self running device with load attached is always going to be proof of pudding.  Besides, if you truly have excess COP then it is nothing to plug output into input.

Now to your experiments.  I have personally run these in the past so I understand what you are attempting to do.  Yes I agree that you end up with better EFFICIENCY incorporating a load into the charging circuit, but unless you can show definitive proof of COP OU and a self running device I would not be so hasty to claim OU.  There are losses in all the transfers.  Losses on the wires, loss at the load, loss in the charging and hence this is the reason why you need more than just COP 1.5 for a self running device.

Back to you at the news desk.

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2011, 03:42:01 PM »
If the device is not running indefinitely how can it be claimed as OU?
how long is indefinitely? (rhetorical question...) and whom shall be there to verify that yes, it did run 'indefinitely'?

Besides, if you truly have excess COP then it is nothing to plug output into input.
LMFAO...  how asinine of me not to realize... i'll just go and plug the output of my heatpump into the input. why didn't i think of this before!?!  ::)

back to you at the news desk...


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2011, 10:44:06 PM »
Hi, Me from the News Desk here, I guess there are differing interpretations of OU. Purists etc. The wording I posted was the definition from google. By the way, thanks for "being gentle" grin. Methinks Ill go and borrow a video recorder and post it in colour and leave you all to ponder it.

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