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Author Topic: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?  (Read 24307 times)

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 09:13:43 PM »
IG this unloading (for 15 seconds) = 0,125 W/h  are only an small part from the energy of ean BIG car lead battery (with 1000W hour (1kw/h, so  the relation  of the lost energy (unload 15 seconds" it it NOTHING. (a 1 /10000 part !)

If you have used (example) 12V 2,2AH batteries . I will wonder, and think about it.
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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2011, 11:10:06 PM »
Update. 3 batteries, closed circuit, a mix of series and parallel connections using resistance, passing .8 of an amp for 5 days. Still maintaining a swing in voltage in turn of .05 of a volt within the same range. WOW


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 10:26:38 AM »
Update. 3 batteries, closed circuit, a mix of series and parallel connections using resistance, passing .8 of an amp for 5 days. Still maintaining a swing in voltage in turn of .05 of a volt within the same range. WOW
Yes,  with higher voltage, you can charge one battery,

but you unload 2 batteries.

So you compensate the lasses (mor than 20%  that needs !!)

in SUMMARY,  anytime you find LOSSES!



Your IDEA is "fine",

but infortunatly it give not an practical, usuable solution to find (this way) :overunity.
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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2011, 03:06:20 PM »
This is probably how he is doing it.

It is claimed by some that this is the method Tesla used to run his electric car continuously without charging.

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2011, 08:06:57 PM »
this ideas, are over years in the net.
this cant work.
unfortunatly it produce only LOSSES !

Tesla car system (also made from others in 1930+odd
and some years ago (in eastern europe)  have nothing to do
with recharging DC.  Tesla used an special AC Motor, made by Westinghouse.
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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2011, 11:47:00 PM »
 Since when did we find out anything about Tesla's mysterious car? All I have found is heresay. It was said to be powered by a A/C motor, battery, antenna, and a certain amount of tubes. It was said that when one tube was installed, it would then be ready to drive anywhere at speeds of over 80 miles an hour I believe.
 But again, this is heresay and there is no proof of such a car nor is there any documentation from Tesla about this mysterious car. I believe it was his grandson or nephew that was said to have witnesses this car. If anyone has any information about this car, please post your findings.
 This damn car has been haunting me for quite some time and it has took me away from all my ideas I had about other types of energy producing projects I was working on. I am sure there is a way to collect natural flowing energy and that is about all I try to figure out any more.
 Another is the TV that was supposed to have imploded killing a person. It was said to have created a magnetic suction that attracted metal objects and was drawn in to the TV killing a person within the path. Again there is no proof of this but it too has my attention. to me, both are connected in some way.

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2011, 11:57:29 PM »
 Sorry Dandman, I don't mean to get off topic here but in way, we really aren't. There is ways to charge battery's for just an antenna and some circuitry but the way you have stated is impossible. You are actually losing energy but you can't see it. You are loosing amps which you will not be able to see untill you have the right equiptment to find out how many amps you are starting with and how many you are ending with. Mine that I use at my shop is a gauge and needle setup and I wouldn't think it was acurate enough. You would need a digital load testing meter to get the most accurate reading. I sold mine a few years back and I am kicking myself in the butt today for selling it.

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 01:02:10 AM »
Fatbird you are soooooo close mate. Wondered when someone would work out the dead battery thing. Havent heard about Tesla's car but believe me a few mods to your drawing and thing happens.
Nightlife the energy swing appears to be a natural phenomenon of the setup. This morning, having found that the energy swing slows I  kick started it by closing the circuits in a different way and the energy used is being replaced to original levels. YOWZA.
I will give Fatbirds drawing of Tesla's setup a go.
Stay tuned

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2011, 01:07:24 AM »
Oh yeah, Nightlife. I did a bit of checking. Load testing is apparently not the way to go. The only accurate way to find current starting and finishing amp hours is converting hydrometer readings. Peukerts law cannot be used reliably unless you duplicate exactly his starting values and loads. The theorists proved it.

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2011, 01:36:50 AM »
Tesla's drawing has left out quite a few small but significant pieces of the puzzle. Just in case your all giving it a go.

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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2011, 02:16:36 AM »
 Dandman, you are correct that there is no real accurate way to check amps in a battery becuase the load test actually takes amps away as does anything used to check the ampreage. You also need to know that transferring travels through resistance and resistance takes away amps. The voltage change you are expiriencing is not a gain, it is still a loss but the loss is by way of the amps. Just becuase you show 12 volts at the start and 12.6 volts or higher in the end, doesn't mean you have a gain, you still need to know how many amps are present at the 12 volt start and at the 12.6 volt end. 12 x 500 amps = 6000 watts and 12.6 x 470 = 5875 watts which shows that it may show 12 volts at the start and 12.6 volts at the end but there is still a loss of 125 watts.

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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2011, 02:30:20 AM »
Thanks Nightlife, understand that. Also understand the relationship between surface voltage and floating which is why as far as Im aware the old fashioned diesel electric submariners way, using hydrometer specific gravitiy readings and converting them is the only accurate way to know whether you have lost energy in a battery (lead acid)


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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2011, 06:08:47 AM »
Question. If a battery charger forces energy the wrong way into a battery to charge it. Is the equalization that appears to happen when you put two different strength batteries to equalize in energy or voltage or both. If both, how?.

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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2011, 07:00:31 AM »
Update, I think I know what is going on. The energy being used is being stored and returned to the discharged batteries in the conventional charging style. So far Ive used bulbs across it, inductive motors and even charged another battery across it and every time the batteries return to the same state of charge. This is doing my head in...... Ill be back


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Re: Charging Batteries from Batteries part 2. Free Energy?
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2011, 05:30:15 AM »
Wow its gone quiet in here. Anyone "killed" their good batteries yet?

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