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Author Topic: Free Energy prize money  (Read 101697 times)

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2014, 08:33:58 PM »
You seem pretty certain about that.you're saying that if I get published in a journal above ratings 1.8 with a 2lot bust i'm guaranteed a nobel? What does it take to get into a 1.8 journal? What makes you so sure that a nobel will be awarded for overunity in the first place after what I said about the status quo.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2014, 09:04:03 PM »
You seem pretty certain about that.you're saying that if I get published in a journal above ratings 1.8 with a 2lot bust i'm guaranteed a nobel?
I'm confident enough to lay a few thousand on it.  Maybe more.
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What does it take to get into a 1.8 journal?
Good science.  Something you know very little about. :)
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What makes you so sure that a nobel will be awarded for overunity in the first place after what I said about the status quo.
Because you didn't make a compelling argument...or any argument really.  In order to erode my confidence you actually have to provide something of substance.   Funny how that works.

Anyway the facts are:  Nobody has published.  There is good reason to publish (there is at least a chance at a Nobel as well as career).  Everyone - according to you can publish a perfectly unarguably unambiguous paper. 

....but no such papers exist.   Sooooo either you are wrong about the ease that unambiguous evidence can be produced or OU is for morons. :)

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2014, 09:11:44 AM »
Idono @sarkeizen idono.you've got guys like sheehan and ahern and others who are  capable of publishing absolute proofs,yet they shy away from that.why are they not going for the noble gold.and that's just 2 guys,both in far better position to get into a 1.8journal than myself(due to their circles of friends within science elites)what about the others out there.the time may not be ripe for such a noble.anyway,what would the consequences be for society if a nobel were to be awarded for such absolute proofs?for example,how would this affect the stockmarket?

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2014, 09:58:42 AM »
And a billion people can publish yes,if all billion are a)copycats b)electrochemists c)aware of my proofs d)prone to publishing e)in the mood for publishing f)able to publish

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2014, 02:35:49 PM »
for example,how would this affect the stockmarket?
Again, if you are correct then there are billions of candidates who can prove this in an absolute and utterly unambiguous way from which there is no reasonable doubt.   The expectation is: We should see unambiguous published proofs.

We don't.  Hence it' is not easy or believing in OU is for people who have had icepick lobotomies or their non-surgical equivalents.

Your counter argument:  Each and every one of the billions of people are actively looking out for the stock market instead of wanting a reasonable chance at money equivalent to them working at least twenty-two years. (OECD avg annual salary is around 1/22nd of $1M USD).  Even in countries like Cambodia where the GDP is less than $1M where about 1 in 2 children are chronically undernourished.  Of the 10 Million adults there every single one of them cares more about the stock market than watching children starve?

The likelihood of that is next to nothing. 

Also don't you find it interesting that you are now making up excuses for not making money with your idea.  I've offered you two-thousand dollars.  I could probably even go up from there if I was motivated.  All you have to do is get your article published in a journal with a SJR rank greater than 1.8 and fail to win a Nobel prize in two years.   Again you said your evidence is absolutely perfect.  Right.  No possible reasonable doubt but it's all excuses now. LOL! loser.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #125 on: December 19, 2014, 05:38:02 PM »
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Again, if you are correct then there are billions of candidates who can prove this in an absolute and utterly unambiguous way from which there is no reasonable doubt.   The expectation is: We should see unambiguous published proofs'

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We should?who's we?

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We don't.

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We don't? How many viewers saw hardcastles thread so far?

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Your counter argument:  Each and every one of the billions of people are actively looking out for the stock market instead of wanting a reasonable chance at money equivalent to them working at least twenty-two years. (OECD avg annual salary is around 1/22nd of $1M USD).  Even in countries like Cambodia where the GDP is less than $1M where about 1 in 2 children are chronically undernourished.  Of the 10 Million adults there every single one of them cares more about the stock market than watching children starve?

The likelihood of that is next to nothing.'

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Next to nothing? Show me the evidence please proving that cambodian peasantry will cease to exist by copying my work.

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Also don't you find it interesting that you are now making up excuses for not making money with your idea.  I've offered you two-thousand dollars.  I could probably even go up from there if I was motivated.  All you have to do is get your article published in a journal with a SJR rank greater than 1.8 and fail to win a Nobel prize in two years.   Again you said your evidence is absolutely perfect.  Right.  No possible reasonable doubt but it's all excuses now. LOL!I'm a loser.'

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Lol I've got plenty other ways to make money from my shit mr sarkeizen but let's say I made a decision to publish in an elite journal,how would I go about this? Would I have to join a university team or is it possible to throw it in email form to some random internet 1.8 journal? Are there such journals available for public submissions from a home compuder?

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2014, 05:56:43 PM »
'We should?who's we?
By "we" I mean "It should be reasonably easily observable."
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We don't? How many viewers saw hardcastles thread so far?
Nobody needs to see hardcastles thread.  This is simply OU.  You have stated many times that your conclusions are obvious from any elementary chemistry textbook.  Remember anyone with access to an elementary chemistry textbook can come to the same conclusions EASILY.   They can validate it a way where there is no reasonable doubt EASILY.

However despite all this opportunity.  No published work clearly validating OU.  This is a likely outcome of your assertions.  Hence your assumptions much not be correct.  It's Bayes rule.   Sorry.
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Next to nothing?
Yep.
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Lol I've got plenty other ways to make money from my shit mr sarkeizen
Sure you can dupe people like any con artist.  However to make money in any legitimate way.  i.e. Making a real product that actually provides OU in an unambiguous way.  Then no.  You don't. :)
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let's say I made a decision to publish in an elite journal,how would I go about this? Would I have to join a university team or is it possible to throw it in email form to some random internet 1.8 journal? Are there such journals available for public submissions from a home compuder?
Elite journal?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.  Did you think that's what I was asking?  You are really THAT ignorant?  "Nature" is an elite journal. It's SJR ranking is over 30!  I'm asking for you to get published in a journal with a rank FIFTEEN TIMES LOWER!  Hah! lol! *whew* Ok...but to answer your question:  Every journal is different please read submission guidelines for yourself.  Many these days accept electronic submission.

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #127 on: December 19, 2014, 07:07:54 PM »
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By "we" I mean "It should be reasonably easily observable."

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To electrochemists yes.I'm not sure what percentage of the population knows what the 2lot is but I'm guessing its minuscule.

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Nobody needs to see hardcastles thread.  This is simply OU.  You have stated many times that your conclusions are obvious from any elementary chemistry textbook.  Remember anyone with access to an elementary chemistry textbook can come to the same conclusions EASILY.   They can validate it a way where there is no reasonable doubt EASILY.'

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Absolutely correct,for those that totaly understand what they are reading and for those that aren't fanaticly devoted to  kelvins statement in the beginning of those same textbooks.at the very least they should see the contradictory discrepency

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However despite all this opportunity.  No published work clearly validating OU.  This is a likely outcome of your assertions.  Hence your assumptions much not be correct.  It's Bayes rule.   Sorry.'
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Bayes rule cannot predict what humans feel like doing or thinking after realizing they are staring ou in the face.

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Sure you can dupe people like any con artist.  However to make money in any legitimate way.  i.e. Making a real product that actually provides OU in an unambiguous way.  Then no.  You don't. :)'
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Glad YOU think so,wink-wink (:(:(:

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Elite journal?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.  Did you think that's what I was asking?  You are really THAT ignorant?  "Nature" is an elite journal. It's SJR ranking is over 30!  I'm asking for you to get published in a journal with a rank FIFTEEN TIMES LOWER!  Hah! lol! *whew* Ok...but to answer your question:  Every journal is different please read submission guidelines for yourself.  Many these days accept electronic submission.'

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Whoooooaaaarrr!! Who are you @sarkeizen?got some inside info?007 shit? From a kaka-journal to a nobel prize?I might just do it anyways in order to secure my place in history mmmmm yeah.

sarkeizen

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #128 on: December 19, 2014, 11:57:28 PM »
Absolutely correct,for those that totally understand
Nope, they don't need to unless you exaggerated about the ease with which it could be validated.  You said a child could validate.  You made all your claims about absolute perfect proof from a high-school textbook.  This is still an enormously massive group of potential validators.
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Bayes rule cannot predict what humans feel like doing or thinking
Doesn't have to.  It just has to say what is the likely outcome.  Sure there can be billions of people who are capable of validating OU in a completely unambiguous way and maybe they all just up and decide that they don't want to upset the stock market.  Bayes rule simply says it's terribly unlikely.   The more (if not most) likely scenario is that your assertion about ease or your assertions about OU are simply incorrect. :)  Sorry.
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I might just do it anyways in order to secure my place in history mmmmm yeah.
Don't worry you won't do it. :)

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #129 on: December 21, 2014, 10:22:09 PM »
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'Nope, they don't need to unless you exaggerated about the ease with which it could be validated.  You said a child could validate.  You made all your claims about absolute perfect proof from a high-school textbook.  This is still an enormously massive group of potential validators.

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Majority of people,including children are not interested in validating things they don't know about or have no interest in

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'Doesn't have to.  It just has to say what is the likely outcome.  Sure there can be billions of people who are capable of validating OU in a completely unambiguous way and maybe they all just up and decide that they don't want to upset the stock market.  Bayes rule simply says it's terribly unlikely.   The more (if not most) likely scenario is that your assertion about ease or your assertions about OU are simply incorrect. :)  Sorry.'

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Most people do not know what ou is and therefore have no interest in it.

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'Don't worry you won't do it. :)'

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Now this deserves a thread all on its own titled:'will they ever give a noble for ou'.what's in it for society to give a noble for ou @sarkeizen? How does this benefit society? Maybe they can shove an award in the contenders hand in such a way as to prevent a general panick eg 'this award is for his research on the limitations of the 2lot or this award is for his research in thermodynamics or some other veiled phrase as opposed to,'this award is for fucking the laws of physics inside-out?' You still haven't told me why you are so sure that such a noble will be awarded for a genuine ou?

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #130 on: December 22, 2014, 12:05:19 AM »
Majority of people,including children are not interested in validating things they don't know about or have no interest in
According to you it is obvious to everyone who has read a high-school chemistry textbook.  Again when something is easy and there are a large number of people who are capable.  The expectation is that it will happen.  You say it's easy, you say there are a large number of people who are capable.  Hence the expectation is we should see this.   We don't, Bayes rule says you have to adjust your likelihoods.  Either it is hard or it can't be done.

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Most people do not know what ou is and therefore have no interest in it.
People do not need to know what OU is.  They simply need to be able to recognize that something that could power something eternally.  Which, again according to you ANY CHILD can do and anyone who's read a high-school level textbook would find it obvious.  Hence again, the expectation you have set up is that you will see an article in a journal which unambiguously states the proof of OU.  You can't so...you need to readjust what you are saying about how easy this is.

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Now this deserves a thread all on its own titled:'will they ever give a noble for ou'.
Except that's not what I was talking about.  I was talking about you getting published in a 1.8 ranked journal.  It won't happen.  I have offered you thousands of dollars if you do and fail to get the million from the Nobel but you keep making excuses and attempting to shift the argument to the likelihood of getting a Nobel.  How many thousand do I need to offer?

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #131 on: December 22, 2014, 08:13:49 AM »
Quote frm sark :'Except that's not what I was talking about.  I was talking about you getting published in a 1.8 ranked journal.  It won't happen.  I have offered you thousands of dollars if you do and fail to get the million from the Nobel but you keep making excuses and attempting to shift the argument to the likelihood of getting a Nobel.  How many thousand do I need to offer?'

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What do you have to gain mr sarkeizen.one way you lose money,and the other way? Are you willing to go up to ten thousand dollars..that converts into a decent sum over here where I am

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #132 on: December 22, 2014, 04:33:46 PM »
What do you have to gain mr sarkeizen.
Nothing but I suspect that the odds of you being correct are, conservatively 1 in 10^999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.  So I'm not in danger of losing anything for my next 50 billion lifetimes.
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one way you lose money,and the other way?
I consider the odds of you being correct to be immensely worse than the odds of a perfect proof of OU not winning the Nobel.  If you had checked you would have seen at least a few quotes from people who have done work in the field of Thermodynamics (if you can all that a field) who consider OU an "automatic Nobel".
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Are you willing to go up to ten thousand dollars.
Willing but I can probably only pay out $5000 from cash on hand and I don't like betting beyond that even if there's virtually no chance of losing.  I'm comfortable not rich. :)

Also I assume it wouldn't be hard to win the forum prize money which is more than $5K last I checked.

Remember your article must be printed in an journal with a SJR rank of 1.8 or better and it must clearly claim overunity in some unambiguous way.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #133 on: December 23, 2014, 04:39:44 AM »
...and not win the Nobel in 2 years.  I'd also add some common sense things like your article can't be retracted in that period.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #134 on: December 23, 2014, 08:58:54 AM »
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Nothing but I suspect that the odds of you being correct are, conservatively 1 in 10^999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.  So I'm not in danger of losing anything for my next 50 billion lifetimes'


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Those are your odds yet you take the bet in the first place? You're a strange gambler mr sarkeizen.


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I consider the odds of you being correct to be immensely worse than the odds of a perfect proof of OU not winning the Nobel.  If you had checked you would have seen at least a few quotes from people who have done work in the field of Thermodynamics (if you can all that a field) who consider OU an "automatic Nobel"
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Yet you lose 5000 if I DONT get a nobel.so if I don't get a noble arent you going to say'hey you didn't get a noble becoz your evidence was underunity so I'm not gona giv you the 5grand?


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Also I assume it wouldn't be hard to win the forum prize money which is more than $5K last I checked.'
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There's larger prizes around.

 
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Remember your article must be printed in an journal with a SJR rank of 1.8 or better and it must clearly claim overunity in some unambiguous way.'
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'Evidence for Spontaneously reversable thermodynamics in concentration cells' how does that sound @sarkeizen? I may aswell just copy karpens original journal publications,polish,re-arrange them a bit and submit them right?