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MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2012, 07:19:44 AM »
Wayne:

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My system does have a small 12v battery, to run the HMI, that runs the valves and track the data.

Something most people realize - that we are running a hydraulic motor - Self powered, a Generator - self powered, - a dual pumping system with a surface area of 525 inches - self powered, a HMI with to valves 25 sensors and self powered - hydraulics self powered, and burning two light bulbs self powered .....while creating a force of 5500 pounds and capturing it - self powered.....

Is "HMI" human-machine interface?  If the valves are solenoid valves don't they consume a moderate amount of power when they are energized?  Do you know what your average battery power consumption is?

Reading your quote above I can speculate something like this:

<unknown energy source> -> dual pumping system -> hydraulic motor -> generator -> two light bulbs

So is the "unknown energy source" your special effect in action?  Honestly, it looks like a really tempting place to put a tank of pressurized air.

Note you say the HMI and the valves and sensors are powered by the battery, and then you say the HMI and valves and sensors are "self powered."  So which is it?

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while creating a force of 5500 pounds and capturing it - self powered.....

The above statement doesn't make any sense.  Just mentioning force alone has no meaning.

Do you have any preliminary specifications for your device?  As you can see from above, there are several issues with your quoted text.

Thanks,

MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2012, 11:26:34 AM »
Gen charges the battery to drive the control system?

Video cam + Ustream to show 24/7 working?

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2012, 02:00:27 PM »
Hello Milehigh,
 
You missed the point, so I must be very poor at explaining things.
here is what I was trying to point out - The ZED has no input and we have at least five clear energy conversions (losses), or power drains in the system, we are performing an enormous amount of work (more than a 3 inch by 4 inch 12volt battery can provide). 

Each of the components have ineffiecient systems in themselves - the sum total of losses through well known equipment - is more that the battery could handle - unless as you pointed out - hidden power - or excess energy from somehwere - in our case - The Travis Effect - fully understood and utilized.

Even in the video Mark Dansie made of the last model, back in november, Mark laughed in the video about our weights - (which were a successful attempt to capture the ramp of the power curve at long strokes - they are gone because I invented a better solution with our new one ZED).

To the observed and unnoticed point:
You see - we were moving 900 pounds of weight back and forth - continuosly - self sustained - free energy and all the things (losses) I mentioned above about this unit.

If the only thing you knew was that we were moving the weight (just the weight) completley free - you would realize you were seeing the potential source for abundant free energy that this world needs.
Some people see a water fall, wind, Solar, volcanic heat, all have potential - all have one common attribute - work is being done - with no input from us.

I saw the potential in a the Travis Effect, caused by gravity - we just had to think of a way to capture it - and after much expense (nearly a half million dollars) and hard work - thousands of experiments - we succedded. (I have had nearly 100 people volunteer, and help through the process).

The best part is - the resiliance of the design - we do not have a system that barely runs and slowly runs down - what good is that? We have one that we are scalling to meet the power demand.
We overcome obvious losses in the system and then do extra work.

I am glad if you can see it, it is for the world,  what is right before our eyes - is the future of energy production  - one day - believer or not - you will at least be able to tell your grandkids - I was there.

Pressurized tank - Ok - you got me - did not think anyone would notice that lol
But seriously I do get your point, and I respect it - to be clear - We have had complete and unimpeded full and thorough inspection of our systems. If you were under NDA, you could check for yourself.

I understand first - you have not had complete access - uninhibited access.
He who has nothing to hide - behaves accordingly - but professionally with due dillignese NDA.

Do not forget - We prove it on paper using simple and also complex physics. (note to future free energy inventors - if it does not work in the simple math - it will not get better in the complex).

We have fully modeled the scalability of the system of 25kw, 50kw, and 100kw systems.
It take about 45 minutes to explain the succesful use of the Travis effect - most of that time is explaining the progression of the machine how we overcome the inherint obsticles to it use.

At the end of the disclosure - a common statement is - "It is amazing it (free energy) is that simple" followed by "How did you think of it?"

Which I answer with lots and lots of trial, failure, persistance, and a big dose of God's blessing.

I am not going to dissapear and loose the web site like some else claimed, but I have taken two days out of my time while the crew performed DOE's without me - if you want to be kept up to date with our progress and partnerships

Write me at mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
Ask Sandy to add you to our private update list.

Otherwise - God bless you all, I have enjoyed our time together.
Thank you Stefan for your part of all this.
Wayne
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2012, 03:14:07 PM »
In childhood, we had a toy. Bottle, the bottleneck (from wine) are filled with water. In it, we put a small bottle closed with an elastic surface. We have a small bottle filled with water with a little air. The bottle had to float in water. If we push the stopper in a large bottle (we have created pressure), a small bottle went down like a stone. If we allowed the stopper (we created a vacuum) competed bottle quickly to the surface. I think it is the principle of work ZED.
Sorry for my imperfect English.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2012, 03:39:10 PM »
What Sano is describing is a toy "diver". We used to use the globe of a torch bulb with the brass bit removed . You placed it in a bottle full of water . As you tightened the stopper, the diver would sink. Water was being forced into the bulb through a small hole in the glass at the bottom . Slackening the stopper caused the diver to rise.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2012, 06:31:53 PM »
Hello Milehigh,
 
You missed the point, so I must be very poor at explaining things.
here is what I was trying to point out - The ZED has no input and we have at least five clear energy conversions (losses), or power drains in the system, we are performing an enormous amount of work (more than a 3 inch by 4 inch 12volt battery can provide). 

Each of the components have ineffiecient systems in themselves - the sum total of losses through well known equipment - is more that the battery could handle - unless as you pointed out - hidden power - or excess energy from somehwere - in our case - The Travis Effect - fully understood and utilized.

Even in the video Mark Dansie made of the last model, back in november, Mark laughed in the video about our weights - (which were a successful attempt to capture the ramp of the power curve at long strokes - they are gone because I invented a better solution with our new one ZED).

To the observed and unnoticed point:
You see - we were moving 900 pounds of weight back and forth - continuosly - self sustained - free energy and all the things (losses) I mentioned above about this unit.

If the only thing you knew was that we were moving the weight (just the weight) completley free - you would realize you were seeing the potential source for abundant free energy that this world needs.
Some people see a water fall, wind, Solar, volcanic heat, all have potential - all have one common attribute - work is being done - with no input from us.

I saw the potential in a the Travis Effect, caused by gravity - we just had to think of a way to capture it - and after much expense (nearly a half million dollars) and hard work - thousands of experiments - we succedded. (I have had nearly 100 people volunteer, and help through the process).

The best part is - the resiliance of the design - we do not have a system that barely runs and slowly runs down - what good is that? We have one that we are scalling to meet the power demand.
We overcome obvious losses in the system and then do extra work.

I am glad if you can see it, it is for the world,  what is right before our eyes - is the future of energy production  - one day - believer or not - you will at least be able to tell your grandkids - I was there.

Pressurized tank - Ok - you got me - did not think anyone would notice that lol
But seriously I do get your point, and I respect it - to be clear - We have had complete and unimpeded full and thorough inspection of our systems. If you were under NDA, you could check for yourself.

I understand first - you have not had complete access - uninhibited access.
He who has nothing to hide - behaves accordingly - but professionally with due dillignese NDA.

Do not forget - We prove it on paper using simple and also complex physics. (note to future free energy inventors - if it does not work in the simple math - it will not get better in the complex).

We have fully modeled the scalability of the system of 25kw, 50kw, and 100kw systems.
It take about 45 minutes to explain the succesful use of the Travis effect - most of that time is explaining the progression of the machine how we overcome the inherint obsticles to it use.

At the end of the disclosure - a common statement is - "It is amazing it (free energy) is that simple" followed by "How did you think of it?"

Which I answer with lots and lots of trial, failure, persistance, and a big dose of God's blessing.

I am not going to dissapear and loose the web site like some else claimed, but I have taken two days out of my time while the crew performed DOE's without me - if you want to be kept up to date with our progress and partnerships

Write me at mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
Ask Sandy to add you to our private update list.

Otherwise - God bless you all, I have enjoyed our time together.
Thank you Stefan for your part of all this.
Wayne

  Not sure if it's sad to say, but Bessler realized 300 years ago that bellows could pump. It's in his drawings. He did show using a lever to increase the potential of work a bellows could do. Nothing new with what you are saying.
What I am working on is ahead of you easily. What I think is that your device is missing something. One thing that you can point to that shows clear energy potential increase. Like using leverage as Bessler did to have useable energy. With you, it's not clearly visible.
As with Bessler, when his wheel rotated, the weighted levers were reset. Generators require torque to operate as they do rotate (today's goal).
 My experience has taught me the more elaborate the explanation, the more likely it is not to be genuine.
 
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2012, 07:10:16 PM »
Hello Jim,
Good luck with your 'better' project, you must be 20 years ahead.
Food for thought:
Do you know how much volume it would take to lift 5,500 pounds using buoyancy? Even just six inches, and be able to repeat it again all in under 6 seconds? That means fill - rise - vent and then sink.
If you do, take that volume - divide it by 40, and you are half way to matching the reduced input required in the "Travis Effect".
What does the term "troll" refer too?
Wayne
 
The Bellows cost $900, a 30 inch dia cylinder cost $19,800 - simply a choice of movers.
 
Wayne
 
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2012, 08:18:31 PM »
I would describe a "Troll" as someone whose posts are always negative and argumentative, whose sole purpose is to disrupt and deny.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2012, 09:10:59 PM »
Hi Wayne,
many thanks for posting the video from
Mark Dansie !

To all the skeptics here on the thread, if the "over-skeptic" Mark Dansie says, that it works, I just believe him
and he has seen and measured it at least 2 times how much I have heard !

I have grabbed 2 pictures from the recent video and enhanced them  where one can now better
see the Wattmeter being shown, showing 29.1 Watts.

Wayne is this the power lighting up the 2 red bulbs above the Wattmeter ?

So this is the current power output from the generator above it ?

Is the generator driven by the water going through it  ?
Does it have a gearbox to speedup the RPM, cause it is running pretty slow ?

Also if this is not open source it is the first device I finally see, that works contineously on
buoyancy and does not spill the used water...

Maybe it has really to do with the air pressure changing in the Travis effect and thus
extracting its energy more on a calorimetrical process by cooling the water and thus converting
the heat of the water to mechanical energy via the Travis effect.
Just cooling so much water down by 1 degree Celsius should give you a few KWatts of output.
And the heat will always flow back to the water from the outside environment...

Well done !


Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2012, 09:33:40 PM »
Hello Jim,
Good luck with your 'better' project, you must be 20 years ahead.
Food for thought:
Do you know how much volume it would take to lift 5,500 pounds using buoyancy? Even just six inches, and be able to repeat it again all in under 6 seconds? That means fill - rise - vent and then sink.
If you do, take that volume - divide it by 40, and you are half way to matching the reduced input required in the "Travis Effect".
What does the term "troll" refer too?
Wayne
 
The Bellows cost $900, a 30 inch dia cylinder cost $19,800 - simply a choice of movers.
 
Wayne

   Considering I had surgery interupt my build, troll is what peole do when they go fishing. My father did it for many years as well as work at Boeing in their R & D department. I also worked at Boeing and do know something of what it takes to develop an idea.
 As far as what it takes to lift, as I have mentioned on here is that water can be displaced. For some reason, your aquarium did more for the people in here to consider that.
 What Bessler realised is quite simple ( I have spent a few years on it, so it is to me  :D ), but using leverage allows someone to actually pump up water to a height greater than the weight dropping drops. You're a diver, you should know that water's pressure doubles at 33 feet in depth. This means a column of water 33 feet high has twice the pressure at the bottom as at the top. Basic math. What this means is that to pump water to that a height equalling 1 second of gravity is a weight with twice the mass as the water has.
 In this example, a water column holding a pound of water would require 2 pounds of pressure to have equilibrium, right ?
Then if 1/2 pound of water drops from 16.5 feet, how much work can that perform ? That is a lot of potential and something I see missing in your invention. Specifically, that a static head is not created that creates an opposing force greater than the potential that created it.
 Just talking engineering Wayne, don't see a need for name calling, but since you do have a patent, am not sure why people have a difficult time understanding the specific discovery you made that allows for overunity. By the way, sorry to say but the money you spent only lets us know you have deep pockets.
 
edited to correct mass

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2012, 09:47:08 PM »
Hello Stefan, Hello Stefan,

Yes those are the bulbs, and that is the power being generated from the Data Collection model during that DOE, 40 watts Excess was the amount we were "challenged with" for our Extraordinary Proof - that challenge dictated the size and power of the system.

You are making the system harder than it is, no high level engineering here - just unique application
Or Unique energy conversion system - hence the name Zydro Energy Device

Boiler plate technology - that is what our Skeptic said about it.

The water in the Bags is pressed into the Travis effect - That effect creates buoyancy,
the Buoyancy pressurizes the Hydraulic fluid,
The Hydraulic fluid powers the Pump that spins the generator and presses the water into the Travis Effect again.
The excess energy is bled off into lights.
 
The Point is this; Archimedes' principal has long been assumed to say volume and buoyancy are intrinsically locked - they are not.

We have proved it, and have ongoing testing.

We have also proved that in this certain limited realm of physics - the laws of entropy, thermal dynamics and the philosophy of 'Trolls' are wrong.I had to review a stack of buoyancy patents my attorneys pulled during the Patent search, two main themes - water from a higher source - water fall, river, damn, all work.

OR Volume based systems like bucket brigades or sealed ropes, tubes Accordians, all relying on Volume.

Not one used the understanding of  Pressure diffirentials and surfaces - that excited the patent engineers like nothing else!
You would not believe how many peoples life dreams have been realized by this discovery - and those are just the ones involved.
 
Mark Dansie, is a dead honest man, protecting investors, Grandma's, and uninformed people - He is a man I am glad to call a friend.

I am honored he speaks highly of our project, I checked his reputation before I allowed him to come - and unlike what I have seen many other inventors do - I asked him to come - If I was wrong, dellusional, poor theory, I wanted to know before I wasted anymore of my time or that of my family's.

He has a good nose for smelling rats...... Must have cat in him ;-)
 
Wayne
 
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2012, 10:42:53 PM »
Hi Wayne, many thanks for your informations.

What means DOE ?

Is your patent application already online available, so can we already look at some drawings
or is that still under NDA ?

So this Data collection ZED machine model currently outputs around 30 to 40 Watts of contineous free electrical power
for the bulbs, right ?

Well done !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2012, 11:11:17 PM »
DOE
Design Of Experiment's
Not professionally of course - but at the inventors level
We test our understanding of the system and its interacting reactions by applying changes to the system and then measure the reaction to see if it reacted properly.
We only have one input, but it causes a chain reaction within the system that has nine seperate measurements, it is how we identify the sweet spot in variable conditions.
This Data allows us to predict the similar outcomes in the larger systems.
The Patent Numbe on the ZED 7 Stickers were patent pending - provisional numbers - we rolled over into a full patent last year and recieved new numbers. Now, my attorneys set up a plan to manage the release of drawings - so no - you can not find them. Unless you are under NDA ;-)
Sorry for that, parts of this world are not honest - Conrad was right about protecting the invention.
 
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2012, 11:47:45 PM »
  Wayne,
 I think it's funny that you refer to me as a troll. You have shown me were I am wrong.
I have always worked open source. It seems that credible people are above this. My mistake.
 
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2012, 12:07:34 AM »
Well done Wayne,
the ultimate test will be successful replications, I look forward to the day when this is possible.
Until then the speculation is likely to continue.