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Author Topic: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.  (Read 60378 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2011, 09:23:49 PM »
Question everything
AHHhhhhhh...........
You see there, this man Z Monkey,He is what Open Source looks like!
A man that Stands apart from most,
  If I may ask one question?How does your Gen differ from Newman's All copper Gennys?

Thanks
Chet

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2011, 09:33:21 PM »
All my research is open.  When you give you are differentiating yourself from the others (greedy banksters and such) that can only take.  Do you give to the world or take from it?  Open Source means open source, that includes proprietary secrets, working diagrams, schematics, and whatever it takes to help others understand and use your technology, or even build their own copy...

The problem with our overspecialized world is the greed based on proprietary information.  This brand products is protected by this-n-that patent, and only a specialized service technician can work on it of $300 per hour.  In an open source world you could go to This brand products website, download the infos, and service the product yourself.  There is a responsibility there too.  You want to be an open source tech, well you need to be qualified to service everything that you might work on, so you gotta get training here and there, and elsewhere, to be able to work on anything.  It distributes and decentralizes information so everyone can share in the misery of working on This brand products...

I'm not in it for the money, I'm in for the science and research. Science is my fun, but it doesn't pay for it's self. What you did not post is that "greedy banksters and such" are in it for PROFIT. Money has nothing to do with profit UNTIL it exceeds the amount required to sustain the work.

I almost gave my very life to this country! My C4 and C5 were broken in a 2 story fall when my safety equipment was sabotaged on a roofing job! I have a titanium neck now. Who the hell are you to question me?!?

You CONTINUE to group me with greedy corporate world, when you don't know me at all, so I once again refer you to the famous Einstein quote.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

Now, get your head out of your ass and try doing something productive and beneficial rather than bashing people with absolutely no grounds.

And how is ANYONE who builds something not qualified to service it?!? The creator is the ONLY person who knows the best service methods and how to carry them out.

You are obviously not reading all the threads here. Keep your uneducated comments and bashing to yourself!!!


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2011, 09:39:45 PM »
Not even the thought of it is free, so how could the physical device be free? It costs money, time, and energy to build.
Yeah, I can commiserate there.  My "Free" energy thingy, was quite expensive to build, and it ain't done yet.  That is why I use the word harvest.  The energy exists, out there, and all we have to do is scoop it up.  The USPTO doesn't get that.  But, you see, they are a legal structure, and inventors don't usually speak legalese.  That's why there are patent attorneys.  I'm not pursuing legal anything.  I sit in the common law structure.  When I do a technology release it will be a common law declaration which makes what I build public knowledge.  I am working on a way to block any patent which may try to black shelf a technology by declaring it public knowledge first.  When a legal patent expires and doesn't get renewed the information is available as public knowledge.  I want to find a way to declare it public knowledge first, to prevent any patent.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2011, 09:42:52 PM »
Question everything
AHHhhhhhh...........
You see there, this man Z Monkey,He is what Open Source looks like!
A man that Stands apart from most,
  If I may ask one question?How does your Gen differ from Newman's All copper Gennys?

Thanks
Chet
Thanks Chet...


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2011, 09:46:28 PM »
Yeah, I can commiserate there.  My "Free" energy thingy, was quite expensive to build, and it ain't done yet.  That is why I use the word harvest.  The energy exists, out there, and all we have to do is scoop it up.  The USPTO doesn't get that.  But, you see, they are a legal structure, and inventors don't usually speak legalese.  That's why there are patent attorneys.  I'm not pursuing legal anything.  I sit in the common law structure.  When I do a technology release it will be a common law declaration which makes what I build public knowledge.  I am working on a way to block any patent which may try to black shelf a technology by declaring it public knowledge first.  When a legal patent expires and doesn't get renewed the information is available as public knowledge.  I want to find a way to declare it public knowledge first, to prevent any patent.

Very aptly put too. It's refreshing to see someone who actually gets it!

The best way to present it to the public as open public knowledge is a mass demonstration or start selling them yourself. But without patent classification ANYONE, even a little 5 year old, can claim it as theirs.

To defeat that, you need to take ALL documentation, and mail it to yourself, including a working model, if possible, and never open it. The post office stamp will be your proof of date of conception, and no one can challenge a federal postage mark. Just make sure to wait a while before presenting it so there's a clear time window that can't be faked.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »
You CONTINUE to group me with greedy corporate world, when you don't know me at all, so I once again refer you to the famous Einstein quote.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

Now, get your head out of your ass and try doing something productive and beneficial rather than bashing people with absolutely no grounds.

And how is ANYONE who builds something not qualified to service it?!? The creator is the ONLY person who knows the best service methods and how to carry them out.

You are obviously not reading all the threads here. Keep your uneducated comments and bashing to yourself!!!
I am not grouping you with the banksters, and I do my homework.  I'm just trying to tell you a bit of my own experience, in that legal patents are not worth pursuing.  You'll wind up paying all you hard earned money to the legal system you hate.  I am pursuing a common law alternative which is cheaper, more effective, and can guarantee that your technology doesn't get black shelved...

I thought you might benefit from my experience, but if you want to curse me I'll just go back over into the metal shop...

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2011, 09:56:05 PM »
I am not grouping you with the banksters, and I do my homework.  I'm just trying to tell you a bit of my own experience, in that legal patents are not worth pursuing.  You'll wind up paying all you hard earned money to the legal system you hate.  I am pursuing a common law alternative which is cheaper, more effective, and can guarantee that your technology doesn't get black shelved...

I thought you might benefit from my experience, but if you want to curse me I'll just go back over into the metal shop...

I never said anything about trying for a patent. There worthless in a world where ANYONE can get 1 just by change a letter in the name of the device, and giving it a new coat of paint. Corporate espionage is not to be under estimated.

I'm just so sick of people directing statements toward me that have nothing to do with me. After being bashed here and in my private email, having my neck broken, and getting nothing for my services to mankind but a headache and being labeled a crackpot for telling people to stop being so lazy and go to the library, can you blame me?

I am a very defensive person. I ABHORE when people make statements about me like they know me when they don't know jack squat. And it's hard for me cause very few people understand how to use the english language effectively, and the messages get jumbled between proper intention and proper interpretation.

I apologize.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2011, 10:02:04 PM »
To defeat that, you need to take ALL documentation, and mail it to yourself, including a working model, if possible, and never open it. The post office stamp will be your proof of date of conception, and no one can challenge a federal postage mark. Just make sure to wait a while before presenting it so there's a clear time window that can't be faked.
There is a better way, although it might not have a precedent yet.  This forum is locked after a period of time.  The entries are time and date stamped.  The database is backed regularly.  It is a public forum that can be accessed anywhere in the world.  This is your documentation (legal proof) right here.  If you do your research in a public forum, others can (and have) help(ed) with the development process, and that, by definition, makes it permanent public knowledge.  Now, legal courts may not recognize this yet, and you will not be able to collect royalties from legal court judgments, but we're not doing this (research) for money anyway.  This research is to improve the collective condition of humanity, and that means all of us.  When you help others it is good karma for you.  Personally I would rather have a lot of good karma, than a lot of money...

Edit:  Stefan, do you have a position on electronic documentation in a locked forum for patent documentation purposes?
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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2011, 10:23:45 PM »
There is a better way, although it might not have a precedent yet.  This forum is locked after a period of time.  The entries are time and date stamped.  The database is backed regularly.  It is a public forum that can be accessed anywhere in the world.  This is your documentation (legal proof) right here.  If you do your research in a public forum, others can (and have) help with the development process, and that, by definition, makes it permanent public knowledge.  Now, legal courts may not recognize this yet, and you will not be able to collect royalties from court judgments, but were not doing this (research) for money anyway.  This research is to improve the collective condition of humanity, and that means all of us.  When you help others it is good karma for you.  Personally I would rather have a lot of good karma, than a lot of money...

Edit:  Stefan, do you have a position on electronic documentation in a locked forum for patent purposes?

Ahh...very intuitive! That never crossed my mind. Seems feasible IF you post the completed model design and documentation. If you only post research and findings anyone can use it to complete the design and claim it. It's not the research that needs as much protection, but the working, fully functional design that people want.

THAT'S what people will steal. They won't even look twice at you without results, and sometimes they won't even if you have results, like me.

My motor in no way claims over unity, but it is fully functional up to 12 HP and 15,000 rpms for less than $20 to build, and no one will test it. They keep making excuses like "you can buy those specs off the shelf" without considering I did it with only $20, and the motor is at least twice as powerful as ANYTHING the same size. Maybe 3-4 times as powerful. Need someone who's able to fully test it for true numbers.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2011, 10:53:08 PM »
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I'm going to do you all a favor, and give you the CURE for acid reflux. I'm living proof it works too.

Take a table spoon of apple cider vinegar every time you get heartburn until it's gone and doesn't come back. It's that simple.

What it does is basically reprograms your stomach and body to accept the proper amount and strength of acid.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 12:29:00 AM by questioneverything »

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Offline ramset

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2011, 12:42:20 AM »
Questioneverything
Thanks for the heartburn tip!
Is there anyway that you could imagine ,that we could build your genny here?
If you can find out what "Z" was saying about protection?

Seems like you have been at this for some time?

I have to ask this ,I'm not trying to be a smart A$$
If your Genny is OU can't you just Loop the power back
and run a Toaster or something?
No measurements would be necessary then!

Chet

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2011, 01:03:02 AM »
what "Z" was saying about protection?
What I am saying is do your development in public, wide open, (Edit) this establishes ownership of a concept, or a process...

To make money, manufacture copies, perhaps even proprietary because of manufacturing, to whoever wants it.  The theory, or even plans, are worth nothing, really.  What matters is inventory, stuff you can sell.  I have been in electronics design and manufacturing for more than 20 years.  I can tell you, for sure, that no one wants to buy an idea...  They want a new toy that they can go home in play with...

Ideas, patented or not, are just information.  Its a very expensive process to turn an idea into a toy...

The money is in manufacturing...

Edit:  See first line...
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 02:26:41 AM by z.monkey »


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2011, 01:06:46 AM »
Question everything
AHHhhhhhh...........
You see there, this man Z Monkey,He is what Open Source looks like!
A man that Stands apart from most,
  If I may ask one question?How does your Gen differ from Newman's All copper Gennys?

Thanks
Chet

I don't know anything about Newman's system so I can't say. What I can say is that the iron in a conventional generator causes drag from attraction to the iron. Air core generators create drag from the repulsion of lenz's law. I found a way to balance these 2 opposing forces to almost cancel each other out for a free floating system. This is 1 of 3 principals used in the system.

It's the same principal used in audio systems, to throw and out of phase signal in correspondence to the unwanted noise to cancel it out.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2011, 01:20:41 AM »
Questioneverything
Thanks for the heartburn tip!
Is there anyway that you could imagine ,that we could build your genny here?
If you can find out what "Z" was saying about protection?

Seems like you have been at this for some time?

I have to ask this ,I'm not trying to be a smart A$$
If your Genny is OU can't you just Loop the power back
and run a Toaster or something?
No measurements would be necessary then!

Chet

Thats what I plan to do, Chet! I'll have meters connected to input and output for voltage and amps, and connect the system to a massive load, such as an entire house with everything turned on, and the rest will be history! It's the most simple and straight forward way to test such a system. All the elaborate testing equipment is only good if your looking for 1-2 watts, but a system putting out 2.5 kwh will need nothing more for show than a serious load with modest input. Such a system will be self-explanatory with no "testing" needed.


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2011, 03:07:57 AM »
Questioneverything,
Well you seem to be quite confident,as well as capable,
I hope you get it done!
But most of all I hope you share it with the world!To many have gone the other routes,And we all pay the price................
Chet

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