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Offline Goat

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 05:47:59 AM »
@ Omnibus

Although I agree with you on a lot of points in your post the Rosemary Ainslie circuit is opened sourced and freely available to all to replicate and validate the device as OU or not OU...given that everyone uses the same equipment and parameters...I agree that there's tons of claims of OU devices and no academic involvement but Rosemary Ainslie seems to be at least making an effort to work with them and not asking for money in return for all the information she's given us already.  I think we need a lot more people like her to make it provable first ( or not) before going to market.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 06:16:07 AM »
@Goat,

No, not at all. That's one of the instances causing much harm in Academia. It shouldn't even be mentioned. Of course, our forum is free for all kinds of ideas, bogus or not, but when it comes to approaching mainstream with that kind of stuff it should be strongly discouraged. Probably you read the other day the exchange I had with one of the moderators of one such mainstream forum -- the minute it's detected it has anything to do with OU you're lumped up with tons of these aggressively seeking attention amateurs. You might have seen, he overwhelmed me with links to discussions they have discontinued (for a good reason, at that) of such unsubstantiated claims. Also, I had an exchange with two of the professors in S.Africa who have supposedly observed and analyzed the claims and the outcome was less than discouraging. So one has to be really careful what one is getting into, especially in this controversial area -- for his own sake and for the sake of not putting a bad name to it.


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 06:24:19 AM »
@ Omnibus

Wow that's a relevation!

Perhaps this forum needs is a single thread to claim/disclaim all the proven from unproven OU claims, maybe that would cause enough a stir for every claim to openly provide enough information to replicate and prove or go away...seen too many claims over the years I'm really weary...I haven't seen a thread in this forum so far that says "This is it! Here's how to do it" but there's always hope that one of the ones that claims this is going to happen and soon.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 06:37:20 AM »
@Goat,

Honest efforts are also prone to mistakes and I'm not talking anout that. I think we're in agreement on that. We've seen, hiwever, throughout the years a lot of bogus claims and fraud, aggressively pushed. A lot of aggressive confusion too. This is what I mean. In the instance at hand we have another example of the latter.


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 08:02:00 AM »
@ Omnibus

Wow that's a relevation!

Perhaps this forum needs is a single thread to claim/disclaim all the proven from unproven OU claims, maybe that would cause enough a stir for every claim to openly provide enough information to replicate and prove or go away...seen too many claims over the years I'm really weary...I haven't seen a thread in this forum so far that says "This is it! Here's how to do it" but there's always hope that one of the ones that claims this is going to happen and soon.

Regards,
Paul

Actually, there is a thread here where a person says "this is it". I really don't know how to read this person. He seems to be very negative against anyone who has claims or at least promising results, but when it comes to him, it's a different story. And talk about giving OU a bad name. You should see this guys demands in a science forum.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 08:02:00 AM »
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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 09:29:12 AM »
I am ALWAYS very dubious about anyone that claims an OU device and asks for money without showing any proof whatsoever.  We have all seen this too many times and yes, it does give the energy research community a bad name.

Now, funding to continue research into a possible potential FE device?  Sure.  Why not.  Just as long as all is disclosed up front and the investors can see it is just not another take of a previously discredited device.

I believe it is up to us here in this community to Police ourselves.  I like the idea of a topic that examines all the the "real" OU devices being sold out there right now.  However, I would not want to be the Moderator on that topic as I am sure it could go to flame wars in like a millisecond or even less.

Most of us that have been around here for a while knows what is real and what is not but, a lot of folks do not.  We should think about how to possibly deal with this in a constructive manner.  Nothing makes me madder than to see ad on the net for "devices" that have been dis-proven here, and elsewhere.  This makes all of us look bad.

Bill

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 04:03:58 PM »
questioneverything,
Your not going to get anything from bigoil, military, or .gov. because they work very hard to stop FE...
They live at the top of the heap, and don't want you messin' with their status quo...

As for investors, well, they are into free energy, wind and solar are both big right now because they are practical, and proven, albeit with some caveats.  But investors don't like investing in something that is too big a risk.  If you can't show them a working device, and a way to make money with it, then that's that...

Mainstream Science?  LOL!  Academia lives inside an Adamantium box. They can't see out, can't get out, and oh yeah, got nice cushy jobs, don't wanna get out...

You wanna develop your device, whatever it is, then the first thing you are going to need is mad skills, son...

The biggest problem that I see with Garage Engineers is a lack of skills.  I want to build this widget, but don't have a clue how to do it.  The biggest cost associated with device development is labor.  When you have to pay someone else to build your widget it will cost a fortune.  If you have the skills to build your own stuff, then you are the labor, and you pay yourself.  When you get into a project you can engage your DIY super powers, and slice all kinds of money out of a project by doing your own labor...

Forget trying to patent an idea.  Sure it gets done all the time, but what happens when the idea isn't correct?  Don't even think about a patent until you have a working device.  Now we get to the second most important concept when it comes to device development, perseverance...  In order to develop you device into a product its gonna take a lot of time, and work.  You may have to make many revisions, perhaps even redesign everything, maybe even several times.  Your gonna need heaps of patients, and perseverance.  They don't call me Tenacious Z for nuthin'...

Now, take a look at how much money you think you need.  Then think about how long it will take to develop the device.  You need to be objective, and pragmatic here.  That is hard to do going into a project, but after a few projects you will start to get a feel for it.  Take the amount of money and divide it by amount of time, and look at the amortized dollars per unit of time.  If you need to make it cheaper, then add more time and re-amortize.  Work with this equation until you can make your device development project fit inside of the budget you already have.  You will be surprised, I know I am, looking backwards at more than 15 years of experimenting.

Sure, not everything you try is going to work, but it is experience.  Knowing what not to do, and what doesn't work is just as important as knowing what to do, and how to do it.  Failure is an impostor.  Failure teaches us what not to do, and what doesn't work.  But the effort required even to fail is far more than the effort required to do nothing.  This effort is what is required to turn theory into fact, especially in the area of energy.

I do like open source, information should be free, and not be able to be hoarded (black shelving).  The internet is making this a reality.  Once its on the interwebs its there for good, well, til the end of the internet anyway.  No one should be able to sell information.  Only products should be protected by a patents and not ideas...

So, just my two bits about how to develop a device without investors.  Take it slow, think a lot, measure twice before cutting, make it pretty, and have fun, because when you look back, after your device is a success, you will savor the memories of how you used your mind to build the future...
« Last Edit: March 14, 2011, 04:26:25 PM by z.monkey »

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 04:03:58 PM »
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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 07:48:22 PM »
C'mon man...  Defense contractors like L******* and R******* et all have had these systems for 20+ years, probably more like 50 years.  At this point , I'm sure their technology is highly evolved nth generation full life cycle units, in full production for black budget.

No personal offense here, but Why would they care about converting a dead alternator to a high torque high RPM 3phase motor?    You are better off open-sourcing it if it's legit;  no one makes money off free energy.

As bolt says, and I agree, the days of the 80s and 90s are over.  No investor funds this stuff.  You want to create it, you have to fund it off your own spare change or with assistance of family and friends.  That's just the sad reality of the world we live in.

It's not about the motor, it IS open source, which you would have known if you had bothered to look at my blog post. Albert Einstein called you ignorant before you were even born.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

 It's about the generator design Nikola Tesla never documented. The motor was only a reference so people who have seen my posts will recognize it as me.

And it doesn't make you here look any better when you bash me in emails. It only gets the sender reported to the FTC, FCC, their email and internet providers under Megan's law as a cyber bully.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2011, 08:20:25 PM by questioneverything »

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 07:58:52 PM »
questioneverything,
Your not going to get anything from bigoil, military, or .gov. because they work very hard to stop FE...
They live at the top of the heap, and don't want you messin' with their status quo...

As for investors, well, they are into free energy, wind and solar are both big right now because they are practical, and proven, albeit with some caveats.  But investors don't like investing in something that is too big a risk.  If you can't show them a working device, and a way to make money with it, then that's that...

Mainstream Science?  LOL!  Academia lives inside an Adamantium box. They can't see out, can't get out, and oh yeah, got nice cushy jobs, don't wanna get out...

You wanna develop your device, whatever it is, then the first thing you are going to need is mad skills, son...

The biggest problem that I see with Garage Engineers is a lack of skills.  I want to build this widget, but don't have a clue how to do it.  The biggest cost associated with device development is labor.  When you have to pay someone else to build your widget it will cost a fortune.  If you have the skills to build your own stuff, then you are the labor, and you pay yourself.  When you get into a project you can engage your DIY super powers, and slice all kinds of money out of a project by doing your own labor...

Forget trying to patent an idea.  Sure it gets done all the time, but what happens when the idea isn't correct?  Don't even think about a patent until you have a working device.  Now we get to the second most important concept when it comes to device development, perseverance...  In order to develop you device into a product its gonna take a lot of time, and work.  You may have to make many revisions, perhaps even redesign everything, maybe even several times.  Your gonna need heaps of patients, and perseverance.  They don't call me Tenacious Z for nuthin'...

Now, take a look at how much money you think you need.  Then think about how long it will take to develop the device.  You need to be objective, and pragmatic here.  That is hard to do going into a project, but after a few projects you will start to get a feel for it.  Take the amount of money and divide it by amount of time, and look at the amortized dollars per unit of time.  If you need to make it cheaper, then add more time and re-amortize.  Work with this equation until you can make your device development project fit inside of the budget you already have.  You will be surprised, I know I am, looking backwards at more than 15 years of experimenting.

Sure, not everything you try is going to work, but it is experience.  Knowing what not to do, and what doesn't work is just as important as knowing what to do, and how to do it.  Failure is an impostor.  Failure teaches us what not to do, and what doesn't work.  But the effort required even to fail is far more than the effort required to do nothing.  This effort is what is required to turn theory into fact, especially in the area of energy.

I do like open source, information should be free, and not be able to be hoarded (black shelving).  The internet is making this a reality.  Once its on the interwebs its there for good, well, til the end of the internet anyway.  No one should be able to sell information.  Only products should be protected by a patents and not ideas...

So, just my two bits about how to develop a device without investors.  Take it slow, think a lot, measure twice before cutting, make it pretty, and have fun, because when you look back, after your device is a success, you will savor the memories of how you used your mind to build the future...

The gov has this tech and yes they want to keep it off the market. Which is why they will pay through the nose to hide it. They quit killing people a long time ago, and I'm already dying so theres nothing they can intimidate me with.

I tried to show them a working device, not OU, but a practical efficiency application. My motor design can also be used in reverse as a high output, high efficiency generator for standard and atmospheric windmills.

Skill is not a problem. I am a trained ASE mechanic with experience in metallurgy. I even smelt my own metals. It has nothing to do with skill on my part. I'm good enough to use straight up garbage to make working units.

According to USPO laws, anything claiming FE or OU can not be patented at all. I've been doing this for over 12 years. You think I haven't done my homework?

Money? It's not about the money. I built the motor/generator for less than $20, and can be built in less than a week. And this generator can be built for less than $150, in less than 2 weeks. The money is so I can resume Nikola Tesla's work. He never documented this generator, and I've already made vids of the coil tests, conventional and negative outputs.

I don't need money for this project, I need it for future projects FAR out of disability income budget.

Edison tried and failed nearly 1000 times to make the incandescent light bulb. When asked about it he said "I didn't fail, I found 1000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."
« Last Edit: March 14, 2011, 08:27:25 PM by questioneverything »

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 08:03:10 PM »
I am ALWAYS very dubious about anyone that claims an OU device and asks for money without showing any proof whatsoever.  We have all seen this too many times and yes, it does give the energy research community a bad name.

Now, funding to continue research into a possible potential FE device?  Sure.  Why not.  Just as long as all is disclosed up front and the investors can see it is just not another take of a previously discredited device.

I believe it is up to us here in this community to Police ourselves.  I like the idea of a topic that examines all the the "real" OU devices being sold out there right now.  However, I would not want to be the Moderator on that topic as I am sure it could go to flame wars in like a millisecond or even less.

Most of us that have been around here for a while knows what is real and what is not but, a lot of folks do not.  We should think about how to possibly deal with this in a constructive manner.  Nothing makes me madder than to see ad on the net for "devices" that have been dis-proven here, and elsewhere.  This makes all of us look bad.

Bill

I'm not asking for money for this project. This project is almost done and cost less than $150. It would be done by now but I had to move after my last landlord left me in the hall to die, and refused to tell me he lost the house and we were being evicted.

I need to find people who are interested in FUTURE work. But it does no good when no one comes to test it.

My device hasn't even been tested yet cause no one will come out. This was never documented by Nikola Tesla, and no one has tried a generator like this before. Assuming it's something thats already been busted without even knowing or seeing my device is ignorance.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 08:08:11 PM »
@ Omnibus

Wow that's a relevation!

Perhaps this forum needs is a single thread to claim/disclaim all the proven from unproven OU claims, maybe that would cause enough a stir for every claim to openly provide enough information to replicate and prove or go away...seen too many claims over the years I'm really weary...I haven't seen a thread in this forum so far that says "This is it! Here's how to do it" but there's always hope that one of the ones that claims this is going to happen and soon.

Regards,
Paul

So you expect people to just GIVE you information it takes years of hard work to come by? Thats just stupid!

There may not be much money in OU or FE, but there is money in the private sector if you develop and market it yourself.

So many uneducated assumptions only makes this site look even more closed minded. NO ONE is going to just post an OU design openly and your stupid for expecting it. Doing so without some sort of backing is BEGGING for trouble when they crash the server and attack the poster to keep it hidden.

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 08:17:18 PM »
Just because I disagree with your comment you call me a troll. Why would my comment make me incompetent? I think my comment is a little more realistic then your babble. Sticks and stones.

Sorry for this post Babygirl, but this guy who tries to come across as a scientist is always commenting that I am a troll. He's just an arrogant ass, I would ignore him.

No worries Mr Mag. There's ALWAYS going to be haters and bashers in the world. I just got used to reporting them to their internet and email providers as well as the FTC and FCC for violations of Megan's law.

Look at Jesus. He did nothing but teach, help and heal, and he was murdered for it! No good deed goes unpunished. What do you expect from people who respect the dead more than the living?


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2011, 09:00:34 PM »
According to USPO laws, anything claiming FE or OU can not be patented at all. I've been doing this for over 12 years. You think I haven't done my homework?
There are multitudinous patents for devices that harvest natural energy, like water mills, windmills, solar systems.  You don't have to call it "Free Energy".  Say harvest existing energy, just so yer not claiming to be making something from nothing.  Ya wouldn't wanna go breaking the thermodynamics physics laws...

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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 09:04:14 PM »
So you expect people to just GIVE you information it takes years of hard work to come by? Thats just stupid!
All my research is open.  When you give you are differentiating yourself from the others (greedy banksters and such) that can only take.  Do you give to the world or take from it?  Open Source means open source, that includes proprietary secrets, working diagrams, schematics, and whatever it takes to help others understand and use your technology, or even build their own copy...

The problem with our overspecialized world is the greed based on proprietary information.  This brand products is protected by this-n-that patent, and only a specialized service technician can work on it of $300 per hour.  In an open source world you could go to This brand products website, download the infos, and service the product yourself.  There is a responsibility there too.  You want to be an open source tech, well you need to be qualified to service everything that you might work on, so you gotta get training here and there, and elsewhere, to be able to work on anything.  It distributes and decentralizes information so everyone can share in the misery of working on This brand products...


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Re: Seeking funding for potential over unity device.
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 09:19:24 PM »
There are multitudinous patents for devices that harvest natural energy, like water mills, windmills, solar systems.  You don't have to call it "Free Energy".  Say harvest existing energy, just so yer not claiming to be making something from nothing.  Ya wouldn't wanna go breaking the thermodynamics physics laws...

Hmm...worth considering since word play is how they got the laws passed. The proper term is over unity.

Patent laws refuse "free energy" because nothing is free. If you so much as think about it you have put energy into the synapisis to create the thought pattern, and therefore is not free. Not even the thought of it is free, so how could the physical device be free? It costs money, time, and energy to build.

They refuse perpetual motion because NOTHING can run forever because bearings wear out, batteries break down and die, and mechanical failure is a fact of time and life.

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