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Author Topic: Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging  (Read 107326 times)

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »
@gauschor. I am pleased that you have found , in the patent where it says that the cells/battery will work in the discharged or the charged condition. So it is probably not normal current we are dealing with . As a German speaker , you may be able to help this thread along by contacting the inventor ? From the patent diagrams it is not easy to work out the best relationship between the cells and the magnetic field or fields .In one diagram , as you say , we have a long bar magnet running alongside a row of cells . In the diagram with the coil , we have two opposing coils with a SNNS set up . and finally we have the magnetic strips , where the lines of force run at right angles to the length of the cells , rather than parallel as in the first two arrangements . Only experiment will show which , if any , works best . Patent drawings are often drawn by non technical draughtsmen , and are often confusing , sometimes deliberately so .

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #76 on: March 08, 2011, 10:52:23 PM »
@Wattsup . It is almost always hard to follow a new technology . But human nature , and the love of money may be easier to understand . This patent , if the claims are real ,is    
worth several million dollars . But an investor is going to want to see more than a written patent and a crappy video . He will want independent validation as a minimum . Why spend time and a lot of money starting something that is bound to end in tears? If we can answer that question , everything else will become easy .

@neptune

You would not believe what investors are willing to do to get in on some action at such a ground level. It is cut-throat tactics, whatever it takes to get in before the next guy. And in the end, if it fails, most investors will say "it's only money!!!!".

@all

If anyone is speaking with the inventor, we need to know the wire type and gauge he used to create the short circuits on the load cap. If the inventor has nothing to hide, he should not object to providing this information. Then if someone can go out, get the wire and if they already have a 1 Farad capacitor and try it out. A dc power supply that goes up to 32 volts can charge up the capacitor. Then short the wire on the cap and see the reaction. This one experiment will say it all. Before that is done, there is no real point in starting all these theories.

Due diligence is a must for all such devices. I don't really care about investors monies since that is their problem with whom they decide to invest. But I do care about wasting time and guys have given us the grand story so many times that we have lost our ability to question, to observe, to logically deliberate on what is presented in order to make a sound judgment call on the feasibility of such demos.

I almost fell into the same trap because I immediately had my own theory on how the magbat is working, given what I saw on the surface of things. I was just about to post something when I looked again at the video. But this time I decided to use my VirtualDubMod software that let's me get in so close to the movements. I saw a bright reflection when he took off the magbat and that is when I realize I need to look at this much much closer.

Anyways, I am really sorry to have pushed the thread into a deeper initial look.

wattsup

PS: If anyone can read the German patent, does it specifically talk about the feed source. Not the magnet/battery but the actual feed power supply required, because there is nothing in the drawings showing a feed source such as is shown in his video.



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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #77 on: March 09, 2011, 11:47:56 AM »
Wanted to try the experiment, unfortunately my collection of capacitors only reach together reaches 2.000µF only, which is way too less. Also I don't got any magnet stripes but lots of magnets bar only. Needless to say that putting magnets in diverse arrangements on a "badly conditioned accu" didn't change anything. However this was not a replication, by no means. I guess you really need a clean setup...
A check on the available shops showed me that the cost for reproducing this setup would cost at least ~ 200€ (60€ for a capacitor that size and 60€ for each of the magnet stripes Type A and Type B). To invest that money this device should really be proven first.

Regarding contacting him: I thought Stefan has already said in one of his posts, that he has contact to one of his spokesman? @wattsup: the diameter of the copper wire is 0.2mm as he claims in the video. Besides everything else available has already been said and translated in this topic, so we are not really missing any points.
Also I agree that his setup in the patents is not exactly the same as in the video and therefore maybe some hidden changes took place he didn't mention yet.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #78 on: March 09, 2011, 01:25:59 PM »
@Wattsup. You said you are sorry to have pushed the thread into a deeper initial look . There is nothing to be sorry about , and your video analysis and perceptive examination are , I am sure , valued by all . The comments about desperate investors was very revealing .I once had a home made conjuring trick , where two rollers appeared to print banknotes . It taught me a lot about human nature . I could have sold it many times for up to £1000 , but I know I could not run fast enough .
           It is possible that the charge signal effect uses what has been called "cold electricity " . Does anyone know a simple and reliable source of cold electricity ,which could be used to charge lead acid batteries ? That sounds a bit like the Bedini energiser , but so many people have tried to replicate that , without success .


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #79 on: March 09, 2011, 11:02:51 PM »
@wattsup: the diameter of the copper wire is 0.2mm as he claims in the video. Besides everything else available has already been said and translated in this topic, so we are not really missing any points.Also I agree that his setup in the patents is not exactly the same as in the video and therefore maybe some hidden changes took place he didn't mention yet.

@gauschor

Are you absolutely sure he said 0.2 mm diameter. This equals a wire of 32 American Wire Gauge (AWG). If that is true then this is all totally a real joke. A 32 AWG is nothing wire. That 1 Farad capacitor loaded to 20 volts should have killed that wire in 1/2 a second of shorting it. I mean totally blown up. Not just glowing like it did. There is no way that capacitor had all that power inside of it.

Well I think this goose it cooked. I really hoped that there was something there but unfortunately, that video is just one more joke in the Laugh-In series.

I think if the inventor is serious, he will have to make another video and put all his cards on the table and not try to play games. If there is an effect to learn from this device, his video did not do the job.

wattsup

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #80 on: March 09, 2011, 11:20:31 PM »
@wattsup: yes I am absolutely sure. I think he choose the extremely thin wire on purpose. I understand what you say and it's perfectly reasonable. However you might missed the parts of the video where he actually confirmed what you say:

The inventor confirms multiple times that the 0.2 mm would already have been burned/killed when charging up the capacitor. But it didn't happen and the inventor claims that the wire didn't even get warm. He has found that a kind of energy is transported which is "cold" or which doesn't produce Joule's heat, contrary to electric current we are used to.
He says the "information of charge separation" is transported. This information cannot be measured with an amperemeter. As soon as the capacitor is charged by that "signal" (he explicitely doesn't call it current) we can use the charged capacitor as usual.

That said, I agree that he should provide another video, because this video is not sufficient.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #81 on: March 10, 2011, 02:08:15 PM »
Hi,
Today I had a phone call from a member of the IMP company.

Mr. Hempel will contact me in the next few days  and
he is currently working on the new video.

So please be patient.

Thank you.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #82 on: March 10, 2011, 09:32:12 PM »
@stefan

Thanks for that very good news. I hope you understand that when he puts out his next video, we will be looking now even closer to make sure the demo is up to par with what all would consider a valid demonstration, of course, within the logical limitations of what can be proven via a video.

The video should show the following.

1) Capacitance reading of the big capacitor.
2) Lift the capacitor and show us underneath has not been tampered with.
3) Non-shorted voltage of his feed batteries.
4) Show the on/off switch is actually switching on and off. Use a small light bulb or led or the volt meter.
5) Show the difference between charging the load capacitor with only the battery and charging the capacitor with the battery via his battery/magnet device.

If his device is in fact genuine, then it is in their total interest to make their next video completely transparent with no funny tricks otherwise they will be noticed. If he can do this, then it will be a good day for all.

I do have great hopes for his device because of one major observation and it is this.

If the inventor knew the device had batteries that could have supported charging in the demo with an intelligent capacitor hidden inside that 1 farad jumbo jet, and, if his removable magbat was just a toy distraction, then why go to the trouble of having the contact point #2 on the blue tape side of the magbat? The only answer I have for this is that his device does work, but not to the visual impacting level he wants to actually make people get really interested in his device. So he embellished the capacitor charging ability in his last video, but such attempts will always leave traces of inconsistency that will eventually be detected.

He just has to be open about it and not play games. If the real effect is very slight, then show it as it is and do not try to make it seem like something it is not. We would rather see 1 watt of OU then 1 megawatt of tricks.

wattsup

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #83 on: March 11, 2011, 11:22:36 PM »
Mr. Hempel has called me today.

He has offered me to bring my own large capacitor
and invited me to personally  look at his setup.

He also said that important things have been omitted from the patent
so it's not as easy to rebuild it, and that now already
only capacitors work as the energy source, so one does not necessarily
need to have lithium batteries as the source.

Since he is supported by a the company financially, he can not, unfortunately,
give it out as OpenSource .

But if  something serious would happen to him he has made ​​sure
that everything would be widespread.

He is now in the process to finish  the new video.

The case he told me seems really to be and
to work like this, that only the information is transferred, that the
capacitor needs to be recharged.
Therefore you need to invest  very little source energy.

So let´s just wait to see the new video,
where he will address a few questions that were asked also
here in the forums.

After this I will call him again and try to fix a visiting date.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #84 on: March 11, 2011, 11:54:01 PM »
Thanks for this new information, although I must admit this is a heavy bummer (but in some way expected) :(

He also said that important things have been omitted from the patent so it's not as easy to rebuild it

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2011, 03:17:55 AM »


He has offered me to bring my own large capacitor
and invited me to personally  look at his setup.


After this I will call him again and try to fix a visiting date.

Regards, Stefan.

Thanks for the update Stefan, lets just hope some more information will come to light!

Bis späeter

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »
@all

Instead of explaining how a 32awg or 0.2mm diameter copper wire will react to a 1 farad 20vdc discharge, I thought it might be more appropriate to show you so I made a youtube video using 2 x 150000mF capacitors in parallel to obtain 300000mF discharge at around 20 vdc. The video is self explanatory and located here.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXy99SGuFg

The point is that in his video, the inventor says once the 1 farad capacitor is charged super fast to the 20vdc level, you can use this available energy to use in all conventional ways. Well then how is it that when he discharged his 1 farad into his .2mm wire, why did it not pulverize immediately as I will show.

So there are discrepancies in what is being said and what is being shown. I understand perfectly well that his patent does not cover all that is required. What else is new. Anyways "we shall see" said the blind man.

wattsup





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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2011, 08:07:56 PM »
Hi wattsup
That was a great video and reminds me of one a while back where the guy vaporized his wire  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWRvAI4o2E
anyway great work as always, I don't know why you're not an elite member yet  ???
I have always found you to be dedicated to finding the truthful answers to OU over the years.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2011, 10:56:01 PM »
Thanks for this interesting demonstration, wattsup. I again checked the video from Hempel to verify I didn't misheard the 0.2mm, but he repeats it 2 or 3 times, so there is no doubt. Since you are showing in your demonstration that the wire of 0.2mm almost *violently explodes* - but the wire from Mr. Hempel not - I somehow begin to doubt how much energy really is in Mr. Hempels capacitor.

I am not so convinced anymore of this overunity device... maybe his capacitor is charged with some kind of "electrostatic Volts" only...


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2011, 12:02:13 AM »
Thanks for this interesting demonstration, wattsup. I again checked the video from Hempel to verify I didn't misheard the 0.2mm, but he repeats it 2 or 3 times, so there is no doubt. Since you are showing in your demonstration that the wire of 0.2mm almost *violently explodes* - but the wire from Mr. Hempel not - I somehow begin to doubt how much energy really is in Mr. Hempels capacitor.

I am not so convinced anymore of this overunity device... maybe his capacitor is charged with some kind of "electrostatic Volts" only...

Hi Gauschor,

Would like to ask if Hempel mentions any info on the material of the wire? Is it copper, alu or what else? 
Because I can see it as a bright wire as if it was chromium-plated and as such it would have a much higher resistance than a copper wire had. I think of resistive wires used in electric heaters, toasters, etc.

Thanks,  Gyula

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