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Author Topic: Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging  (Read 103036 times)

Offline dutchy1966

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2011, 12:58:57 PM »
According to the patent there is a conditioning process for the cells. In this process the cells ARE briefly short circuited after which a futher conditioning takes place.
Here is what the german patent says about conditioning the cells:

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For conditioning the ion cell(s) they are first charged to the rated capacity. This can be done by a conventional method. Subsequently, the ion cells are short-circuited for a short period in which there is still no noticeable heating of the cell. It has been found that this period should not exceed five seconds, and preferably the short circuit takes place for only two seconds. A strong warming of the ion cell, ie more than a few degrees C °, is to be avoided, as this indicates irreversible destructive processes within the cell.

An in this way conditioned ion cell, particularly a lithium-ion battery is already showing a higher efficiency, compared to a conventional not conditioned ion cell. This effect can be further enhanced if the following conditioning steps are followed. There follows a further charge with a charging current of between 10 mA and max. 400 mA to a voltage which is about 10% above the rated voltage of the cell and the charge current has dropped to below 10 mA. Subsequently, the ion cell is controlled discharged with a a current of between 80 mA and 600 mA until an abrupt voltage and dischargecurrent drop is observed. Then, the above-described charging and discharging process is repeated and checked again for the  accelerated voltage drop.

Such conditioning was carried out on lithium-ion battery type SAMSUNG SF 18 650 GR U.S., where the charge was a charge current of 80 mA until the cell poles at a voltage of 4 V system (nominal voltage of 3.7 V cell ) and the charging current dropped to 10 mA. Then, the lithium-ion cells were discharges with a current of 160 mA until the voltage at the poles of the cell dropped to 2.5 V. After recharging, as described above, the lithium-ion cell was discharged to a voltage of 2.95 volts.
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2011, 01:56:00 PM »
Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy



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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2011, 05:13:27 PM »
Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy

Yes, I had noticed that too. I wondered if the 'container' on the bottom had the actual cells?

This stuff only comes up for Switzerland and is a bit pricey

"3M DAUERMAGNETBAND MGO 1317 PLASTINORM (80-1300-0508-7) - 2 Jahre Garantie    249.95"  (CHF = .7746 eur)

More unobtainium???

Ron

Edit: Kerbo in the UK...you can get a whole box of 10 for only 736 Pounds, LOL
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 08:58:57 PM by i_ron »

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2011, 07:30:58 PM »
My thoughts so far .There is quite a lot of information in the patent . However ,there are still unknowns . Firstly , the magnetic strip .In my opinion , any tape sold in A and B versions is not suitable . The field orientation will be wrong . What is needed is tape with magnetic material only on the edges . I reach this conclusion from the patent diagrams . Given a "conditioned" cell or battery , we need to test the device . The easy test is to charge a very large cap through a very thin wire .Perhaps if we time how long the cap takes to charge it is possible to calculate the average current needed to charge it in this time . We could then subject the same wire to that current for the same time , and see if it melts . If it does , we know something strange is happening .If I am not mistaken , this device is patented in the USA. I suspect that to get a patent , no demonstration would be required . as long as no claim was made of overunity or perpetual motion .However , if this effect is not real , what would be the point of spending thousands of dollars on a patent .With its vast potential in the market place , why are manufacturers not queuing up to buy it ? As allways , more questions than answers .


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2011, 10:37:35 PM »
I have a 0.5 F 15V capacitor which i can also charge in some seconds using a thin wire and a power supply without the wire getting hot, but when i short-circuit the charged capacitor with a screwdriver i get an impressive firework. I don't see any anomalies here.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2011, 12:28:19 AM »


More unobtainium???

Ron


Using two CGR18650HM cells from an old IBM laptop...and various combinations of magnets and caps I was unable to see any effect whatsoever...same as bolt

Ron




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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2011, 12:38:49 AM »
My thoughts so far .There is quite a lot of information in the patent . However ,there are still unknowns . Firstly , the magnetic strip .In my opinion , any tape sold in A and B versions is not suitable . The field orientation will be wrong . What is needed is tape with magnetic material only on the edges . I reach this conclusion from the patent diagrams . Given a "conditioned" cell or battery , we need to test the device . The easy test is to charge a very large cap through a very thin wire .Perhaps if we time how long the cap takes to charge it is possible to calculate the average current needed to charge it in this time . We could then subject the same wire to that current for the same time , and see if it melts . If it does , we know something strange is happening .If I am not mistaken , this device is patented in the USA. I suspect that to get a patent , no demonstration would be required . as long as no claim was made of overunity or perpetual motion .However , if this effect is not real , what would be the point of spending thousands of dollars on a patent .With its vast potential in the market place , why are manufacturers not queuing up to buy it ? As allways , more questions than answers .

There appears to be patent claims and patent applications over some time period. In the early application gives more detail on battery conditioning but the conclusion is ONLY an increase of some 25% capacity when the cells are preconditioned, shorted and magnetised. Its only when  granted later patent is secured it reveals the "OU super charging" effect on batteries and capacitors. I believe this was a LATER discovery when more tests were done on the battery capacity when magnetised and it was a pure accidental discovery that the caps could be charged and full recovery of motorbike battery.

If this is true and i think it is the case then it means the old conditioning process no longer applies and indeed the later patent backs this as a claim where it states batteries of normal full capacity  OR 100% depleted can be used after protection circuit removed. Because the later discovery is no longer seeking a NORMAL charge and the 25% increase in conventional charge characteristics no longer applies!

I spent a while looking at this magnetic flexible stuff and like you i thought the polarity   was wrong. The patent is very misleading. It shows the tape as having a north edge and a south edge. BUT no such tape exists i can find as my prior post. When you look at the video then compare the patent all becomes clear. Its not ONE tape with a north and south edge its TWO bits of tape with a gap in the middle as per the box on the table. The patent is drawn pointing to a north and south edge but it means TWO separate A and B  strips! Knowing this now makes perfect sense as the tape is positioned over cells polarising the ends to magnetise the ions.

 The cylinder batteries i have no idea what that is doing there as they don't connect anywhere because all the lithium cells are in the rectangular chocolate coloured  block covered in strips of North A strips and B south strips magnetic tape below. So the top side in freeze frame you can see a strip NORTH A then a copper looking gap in the middle then a Strip SOUTH B in the patent appears as ONE tape but this is NOT the case. For a start,  tape of this characteristics would have NO practical  purpose contrary to patent info states COMMON magnetic tape found everywhere. 

So go on ebay now you can buy A north and B south magnetic strips for about 1.50 per ft.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2011, 12:56:03 AM »
Using two CGR18650HM cells from an old IBM laptop...and various combinations of magnets and caps I was unable to see any effect whatsoever...same as bolt

Ron

You mean to tell me you cant run your house and car of it then? Well im shocked:)

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2011, 01:12:27 AM »
Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy

Hi Dutchy,
yes, I think this in alufoil coated zylinder does not have much effect, as it is not connected or is only
connected via one pole to the copper foil below.

Also all the small coils of the white wire there are probably only there to distract
possible investors from the real Li-accumulators being inside the magnet bars there on the
table.
The real plus and minus pole are these copper rods that stand vertically and from where the 2 small
copper wires go away to the other 2 lead acid batteries and to the manual switch.

I am in contact with one of his spokes persons and they wanted soon to post another video.
I hope that they will do this soon.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2011, 01:31:02 PM »
@bolt . If your observations are correct , and I have no reason to doubt them , Then a basic proof of concept experiment becomes much easier . All you need to do is discharge the Li-ion cell/battery ,through a resistor , and finally short circuit it , and confirm zero volts . Then fit the magnetic strips as you describe , and finally try to charge an electrolytic cap with it . If this works , try charging a depleted lead acid battery . Would you agree ?

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2011, 03:41:17 PM »
Well that is what is says in the LATEST patent.  Not earlier ones and applications ONLY showed how to increase a conventional charge by 25% using the magnet strips and follow a charge protocol.

SO First remove all the protection electronics. Then use a safe load to drain the battery slowly. When its flat then short it some more so its totally dead. Then add the magnet strips A and B polarities paying attention to the edges and polarity.  Finally add capacitors and see what happens. Later in this patent is says the batteries don't have to be dead but i guess if you want to be convinced they can provide a real capacitor charge then starting off with dead shorted batteries is more convincing.

This is basically it in a nut shell. I tried this all ready couple of days ago see early posts. After stripping out an old Nokia phone battery and stuck 1/2 inch neos all over it tried all combinations and never see anything unusual. Maybe the mag strips are VITAL I don't know.

The BIG question is this. If the concept can not work or appears a pipe dream then why bother spending load of money on patent applications and patent writers if it can not possibly do something very interesting? Not just one patent either he has several related technology patents and applications for fast charging and reforming capacitors.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2011, 04:26:20 PM »
Hi All,

I did read some more reading of the patents that are available. There is a remarkable thing he noticed using the prepared ion cells.
According to him, a clamp meter will read a current in the thin wire that should have melted the wire! But it doesn't!!
If he then uses a current, from a power supply, that is equal to what the clamp meter read, the wire will melt!

So it seems to generate a magnetic field around the wire that is much stronger than the actual current flow would suggest.

This is why he says that the "loading-signal" has different properties than "normal" current.....
It "signals" to the cap or battery to separate charges.....

regards,

Dutchy


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2011, 05:18:22 PM »
Well that is what is says in the LATEST patent.  Not earlier ones and applications ONLY showed how to increase a conventional charge by 25% using the magnet strips and follow a charge protocol.

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I don't know what year this was... but Takahasi had a go at this some time ago... I wonder what became of him?

Quote:

"Another novel use of Takahashi's new magnets is to extend the life of rechargeable batteries. Thin inch-wide squares of the magnets, when attached to mobile phone batteries, apparently double the amount of charge the batteries retain, allowing the batteries to last twice as long between charges, for the same load. In fact this battery doubler is already commercially on the market in Japan, where at least 100,000 of them have been sold. Takahashi has announced plans to set up primary manufacture of his supermagnets in Great Britain, north of London, but requires a 20 million pound investment to do so."

Now note that he was using very powerful magnets, not sign board strips.

Ron

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2011, 05:33:53 PM »
Hi All,

I did read some more reading of the patents that are available. There is a remarkable thing he noticed using the prepared ion cells.
According to him, a clamp meter will read a current in the thin wire that should have melted the wire! But it doesn't!!
If he then uses a current, from a power supply, that is equal to what the clamp meter read, the wire will melt!

So it seems to generate a magnetic field around the wire that is much stronger than the actual current flow would suggest.

This is why he says that the "loading-signal" has different properties than "normal" current.....
It "signals" to the cap or battery to separate charges.....

regards,

Dutchy
if there is this effect ..... there are different types of current:
http://inamori-frontier.kyushu-u.ac.jp/electronics/research_en.html



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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2011, 05:48:00 PM »
if there is this effect ..... there are different type of current:
http://inamori-frontier.kyushu-u.ac.jp/electronics/research_en.html

Hi Wings,

Seeing this effect is also present from dead cells, which would mean there is no charge current, are you saying it might be pure spin current thats going down the wire? And that doesn't heat up the wire apparently....

regards,

Dutchy

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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