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Author Topic: Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging  (Read 102105 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Hi All,
this is a brand new technology which might have a big impact on
all electric energy technologies.

English introduction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj_SwJXDPW0

German language experiment video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtqPL_maeg

Unfortunately only in German language.

He charges up a 1 Farad Cap to about 20 Volts in about less
than 1 second.

This device he uses is some kind of 6 Li-Ion in series accumulators
packed into a permanent magnets array.
This way the accumulators are somehow "polarized" and this "polarized current"
does not heat up the small wire and charges up the cap very quickly
without any heating in the small diameter wire.

Seems to be the "polarized current" acts like a supraconductor and just charges
up the cap in milliseconds.
Also not much energy is needed to charge up the 1 Farad cap,
but it has much energy after the quick chargeup.
See the red glowing of the shortcircuit wire !

So this circuit seems to be definately overunity ! ;)

He has registered a few patents around it and here they are:

http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1019.30

In this German thread I have already linked them as attachments to my own posts,
so go there to get them.

Well, this can be a new revolutionary technology, if this kind of polarized current or
voltage from the Li-Ion batteries can just charge the big cap by just sending a "charge-now!"
information to the cap, so it charges by "itsself" somehow and does not use up
its own energy for it.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 10:48:29 PM by hartiberlin »

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 02:48:22 AM »
Here are a few pics of one of the patents attached.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 05:06:55 AM »
What an incredible find. Im still trying to get my head around this reading the patent but yes it looks VERY interesting. Despite his youtube vids been up for a while now it has very little interest. I think most people can not really see what is actually taking place.


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 06:37:20 AM »
Yes, it was first very hard to understand, if you have not yet studied the patents.

The main thing is, that he uses a magnet field around flat Li-accumulators (extracted from cell phone batteries,
without the charging security circuit in them) to "polarize"
them somehow. If you then draw current from them, this current charges up electrolytic
caps and lead acid batteries very fast.

He made another test, where a few  Li-accumulators in series this way charged up
a discharged 12 Volts lead acid battery up to a full charge up to 14 Volts in very fast 20 minutes or so.
The lead acid battery then had full capacity.

The Li-accumulators were not much discharged afterwards.

So if anybody want to try this, just take 4 Li-accumulators
from a cell phone and put them in series and put a few magnets
around them and charge them up when the magnets still stick to them.
This seems to polarize them.
Then when the Li-accumulators are fully charged,
put them all in series and charge a discharged 12 Volts lead acid battery with it,
but don´t put any ampmeter between it, as this prevents the fast charging.

Or just repeat the test that is shown in the german video.

There he also has 2 discharged lead acid batteries in parallel with the
Li-accumulators inside the magnet array.
the 2 batteries at the top wrapped in the alufoil probably don´t have
any effect, maybe he just only made it this way to not give too much
away from the basic effect. They also seem not to be connected,
as he only has one copper band there and not 2 contacts...

But when you read the patents it gets clearer.


There are also other patents out there that use magnets wrapped around
Li-accumulators to enhance their charging capacity.

But the main effect is the the fast charging without Joule heating
of the electrolyte capacitor.

This way, if supercaps can be used, an electric could be recharged very fast
and economical !

Maybe the Tesla Roadster then won´t  need anymore any expensive battery pack,
but just a stack of 2700 Farad supercaps will do,
which also will
be recharged in just a few minutes instead of hours !
And it does not need much energy from your grid outlet also !

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2011, 07:06:08 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 06:37:20 AM »
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 06:53:26 AM »
Coler converter of sorts.. very interesting.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 07:10:52 AM »
Coler converter of sorts.. very interesting.

No,
just some kind of polarisation stuff for Li-Ion or Li-Polymer batteries
that changes the behaviour of the charging current...

Maybe it freezes just one axis of the electron movement or changes the electron or Ion spins,
so the charging current does not have any real ohmic losses when it is applied to the capacitor ?

Maybe then massive currents can flow without the Joule heating in small diameter wires ?

Maybe some kind of room temperature supra-conductor effect through
magnetic polarisation ?

Who knows, must be researched..

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 07:59:35 AM »
No,
just some kind of polarisation stuff for Li-Ion or Li-Polymer batteries
that changes the behaviour of the charging current...

Maybe it freezes just one axis of the electron movement or changes the electron or Ion spins,
so the charging current does not have any real ohmic losses when it is applied to the capacitor ?

Maybe then massive currents can flow without the Joule heating in small diameter wires ?

Maybe some kind of room temperature supra-conductor effect through
magnetic polarisation ?

Who knows, must be researched..

Regards, Stefan.
Maybe not but I see a relation between the magnets and current flow through the magnetic field as seen in the patent papers. Its very coler-ish. regardless of whatever magic mechanism is going on with the batteries.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 07:01:53 PM »
It would appear you have to strip out the IC regulator from the lithium pack. Most cellphone batteries and laptop lithium have on board charge control.

Be VERY careful if you puncture a lithium battery bag it will explode violently
with a gush of FIRE!!

Now i tried one today it was a 3.7v nokia battery it was very dead. It measured 0v.

So i cut open the pack and inside is the lithium bag. Don't puncture it or melt
it with a soldering iron or you will be in a world of shit!

Coming from the edge is two foil strips one i managed to solder a wire on it
which is hard not to get any heat near the battery bag. The other one was broken
short so close i dare not risk an iron close to it so i just managed to hook a
croc clip on it. It measure 2.9v wo the regulator IC was disconnecting it as
they are supposed to below 3 volts. I spent about 15 mins swiping a few neo
magnets all over it, front back etc and connected up 2 off 100,000Uf caps so
200,000uf in total. The voltage went up to 3 volts on the caps and shorting it
made a good crack on the screwdriver.

I can not reproduce the results in the patent with what i have here i also wound
250 turns of magnet wire around it and zapped it several times with a 12v
battery. Again i did not notice any effect of extra volts or anything unusual  on the
caps. I don't have any magnetic strip stuff. If you are going to do this i
strongly suggest you buy Radio Control LiPO packs as they do not have any
battery electronics and its safer easier to get to the raw lipo cells. The RC
lipo helicopter cells cost only about $1.50 each.

Most of the magnet strip you can find on Ebay have a north pole strip and south pole strip. They name them A and B strips which attract to each other for door closers etc. Now i do not know if these strips are the same polarity as discussed in the patent but there are hundreds of suppliers of all the same A and B magnet strips on Ebay.

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 08:14:03 PM »
I've got lots of bare Lithium ion cells including some with slightly different chemistries (LiPo, A123 type and some other less common types).  A few have control circuits but most do not.  All of them are round cells of various sizes.  Lots of magnets too so I'll give this a try as soon as I can understand what you need to do for a test.  I've also got several super caps.  BTW most bare lithium ion cells are charged to 4.2 volts (never more than that for safety and longevity of the battery) and will run at 3.6 volts or so under load.  Try to never let them go below 2.8 volts or they will suffer damage and shortened life. 
   bolt,  hope you didn't breathe any burning lithium cell fumes as that stuff is really bad.  I'm on another forum where lithium batteries are discussed all the time and they've got some real battery experts there.  They have occasional explosions with these as they are largely used in sealed devices.  Most problems happen from cell reverse charging when you have multiple cells in series or from overcharging and too fast discharging. 

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 08:17:51 PM »
Does anybody know what is meant by The letter M in a circle on the diagram . Motor ? Meter ?

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 08:39:36 PM »
I'm reading the patent info right now.  One thing I find of concern.  He says he completely discarged the Li-ion cells to zero.  For one you should never do that both because it's dangerous and because it's damaging to the cells.  Li-ion cells are nothing like NiMH or NiCd cells.  From reading the info it almost sounds like he thinks they are the same or similar in use as NiMH.  Running a Li-ion completely to zero is very hard on the cells but they will self recover quite a bit of voltage if it only is done a couple times.  Just mentioning this but that is not to say it is a hole in his idea - just a concern as I was reading this. 


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011, 08:44:23 PM »
Does anybody know what is meant by The letter M in a circle on the diagram . Motor ? Meter ?

Motor - it's in the Patent

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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011, 08:48:17 PM »
e2Matrix
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Running a Li-ion completely to zero is very hard on the cells but they will self recover quite a bit of voltage if it only is done a couple times.  Just mentioning this but that is not to say it is a hole in his idea - just a concern as I was reading this.
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Sir you are absolutely correct,This is a humungous no no with lithium batteries!

Surely he knows this! perhaps a prerequisite conditioning of sorts ,to attain the "Effect"?

Dot the "i"'s and cross the "T"'s [details]!

Chet


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Re: Jörg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 09:09:25 PM »
Chet,  Yes I hope if anyone is trying this that they realize how explosive these cells can be under a dead short.  It doesn't always happen but I've seen enough pictures of the damage from them to know people here need to be aware of it.  I'll try first without that step of shorting but might sacrifice a couple if it doesn't work without that.  For anyone trying this I'd suggest heavy fireproof box outside with protective gear like face shield and heavy gloves etc.  Preferable to short and then stand back a distance.

   One thing I haven't figured out yet is whether it makes a difference whether the N or S is near the positive of the battery.  It looks like the drawing shows the North pole by the positive battery pole if he is using standard battery schematic convention. 

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