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Author Topic: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature  (Read 9486 times)

ibpointless2

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Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« on: February 20, 2011, 05:37:05 PM »
I have come to the conclusion that there is electricity in water. The way that water has electricity is by the means of it being a electret. It becomes a electret when it evaporates into the atmosphere and is charged up by thunder and lighting and when it concedes it gets a permanent charge.

In a perfect world water would be neutral with a ph of 7, but we don't live in that world so water has electricity in it. The electricity is small but very powerful when fully understood. One of the best demonstrations of this is from Lord Kelvins water drop generator shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ahWs9YTJkc
This video shows that water must have a electrical field around it just like a electret would in order to even get sparks.

If you want more proof heres a experiment you can do at home with supplies you probably have. Get a plastic cup and fill it with water, place two piece of aluminum foil in the water not touching each other(its best to have one piece of aluminum folded many times). You should see a voltage around 100mV when a meter is connected to both plates. Now leave the two aluminum foil plates shorted out with wire for a few days and you'll notice after you remove the wire that the cell will charge itself back to life. I find that the more pure the water the better, tap water has minerals that might eat away at the aluminum thus not give the best results but distilled water will help keep the cell alive much longer; so I recommend distilled water for long term testing and tap water for proof of concept.. Video on how to make one is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDusf5sjb2M

To help you better understand these cells think of them as water batteries but instead of using dissimilar metals to make electricity from the galvanic reaction I use similar metals to purely tap the electricity form the water. Since I'm using similar metals the cells should last for a long time because there is nothing to corrode them. Also since this process of evaporating the water to make the electrets has been going on for billions of years I should have a quite a big reservoir of free energy from water.

Since humans, plants, and animals are mostly made of water and we have our own electricity. Our own electricity is very close to the electricity you'll see when measuring the voltage on one cell from above experiment. Since water is needed by everything in nature that would make water the very wheel work of nature, thus tapping the electricity in water could have you tapping he very wheel work of nature.

The stuff we drink could have been the free energy all this time and we never considered it. Maybe thats why we need water, it recharges us so that we have electricity for our brain and muscles.

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 11:08:15 PM »
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ibpointless2

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 03:38:24 AM »
When it comes to using tap water instead of distilled water i find that minerals and ions in the water really give it the best performance over distilled water. My biggest problem with using tap water was that it evaporated and when it did the minerals would get left behind on the aluminum plates. I find that the minerals would start to eat the aluminum, this was never a problem when the minerals where in the water it just when the water evaporates  the minerals become a problem. Using distilled water solved the problem of the minerals but even distilled water has it problems too, low ion count gives poor power compared to the tap water cells. Its the minerals that really make these batteries sing.

So my biggest problem has been to do with evaporation, and i think i may have solved it. Simply covering the cup keeps the water in and the plates lasting longer. I also think if i fully fill up the cup so that no air is there and cover it up so that no water can get out should keep the plates perfect. It is true though that anything in water will corrode eventually but prolonging that for many years is my key and thats why i use aluminum for it anti-rust properties. Also i could start using colored cups to keep light and heat out so to keep in the water. I believe that i can make a battery that will run on purely water due to it's electret effect it shows.

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 04:37:33 AM »
Hey IB
Was wondering, you said that one of the plates has many folds, does that mean that the folded plate stretched out is longer than the other plate?  The reason I ask was the how there was a polarity??  But if one plate truly has more surface area in the water, then that may be why. ;]  Ive seen electrets home made with wax and charged while heated and when cooled they always seem to regrow the charge when discharged, and fairly large charges. I wonder if you had just similar plates and very clean water, if it would hold a charge.  Someone emailed me an article on this concept.
I have to find that.

Mags

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 05:08:08 AM »
Oddly I just got done watching a tesla video and I see this statement as a first post kinda odd to me that I chose to visit this site and the first post I see mentions part of his great statement once man truly understands what electricity is he will then begin to connect his machines to the very wheel work of nature.

Good observation I am sure there is an energy release when water changes forms weather freezing to melting to evaporation ...

Your body needs electrolytes ;)

ibpointless2

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 01:38:16 PM »
Hey IB
Was wondering, you said that one of the plates has many folds, does that mean that the folded plate stretched out is longer than the other plate?  The reason I ask was the how there was a polarity??  But if one plate truly has more surface area in the water, then that may be why. ;]  Ive seen electrets home made with wax and charged while heated and when cooled they always seem to regrow the charge when discharged, and fairly large charges. I wonder if you had just similar plates and very clean water, if it would hold a charge.  Someone emailed me an article on this concept.
I have to find that.

Mags


Yes one plate does have more surface area and thats helps sometimes to give a me it polarity and sometimes it completely backwards of what i think. Sometimes the big thin plate is positive and other times the thick small plate is positive. If you use the same size plates in the water you still get voltage, as to determine the positive and negative plates is a complete mystery to me. I've left these plates shorted out for week before and they seem to always bounce back in voltage, even when all the water had evaporated i could put more water in it and still see a bounce back in voltage.

Yes these cell can be charge up with high voltage. I've seen someone else with a similar idea of using water as a electret but to give it a permanent charge he froze the water. shown here http://www.oocities.com/mj_17870/waterelectret.html

I'm more concern with the natural currents in water thats formed by mother nature. The reason why the voltage is low don't make it any less of a electret. If you think about it the reason why the voltage is low is because the water gets spreaded out, so we get a diluted charge but it's still something.

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 12:54:15 AM »



i have made an observation, regarding kelvins thunderstorm.

the water in the top container is neutral.
in that it has no freed electrons,
and it is not missing any electrons.



what if they had 2 separated water containers, on top.

and they positively ionized water,
from the lower right bucket,
into the upper right bucket.

and they pumped negatively ionized water,
from the lower left bucket,
into the upper left bucket.



that way,
neither stream of water would have to be broken up into droplets,
to prevent the 2 charge from shorting out.

if the 2 water streams do not have to be broken into droplets,
than more water could be poured per second,
to create more charge per second.



infact, a better design,
would be to have 2 containers of water.
one container sitting above the other.

the water in the lower container, could spin clockwise.
the water in the upper container, could spin counter-clockwise.

as long as one body of water,
is physically close to the other body of water,
electrostatic charge would be created,
to ionize the 2 bodies of water.


it would be far more surface area of water,
passing by far more surface area of other water,
per second,
than one drop at a time,
moving past one ring.





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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 01:02:41 AM »



my theory is this:



when water gets in/on/above the ground,
the ground-water becomes positively ionized.

because the sand and rock are largely made of oxygen atoms,
which are negative/paramagnetic.


the sand and rock, are more negative,
than the electrons are negative.

so the sand/rock win the sumo match,
and the electrons get pushed away from the ground.
and up into the atmosphere.



the electrons are attracted towards sunlights high frequency.
because the higher the frequency,
the less the electrons are impeded from moving towards a place.

so the electrons are pushed away from the ground,
and pulled upwards into the sky.


the result,
is that there is a LARGE amount,
of negatively ionized air moisture,
floating high above the ground.

which seems to be why shamans, mystics, and wise men, have been attracted to live on top of tall hills and mountains.

because tesla showed that negative ions,
have healthy effects on humans.


i think that the main reason,
why humans feel compelled to go to the beach for vacations,
is because there are large amounts of negative ions,
coming from the ocean.



but anyway.
the sky creates and maintaines negative air moisture,
and the ground creates positive ground-water.

and lightning bolts are a large number of electrons,
that are moving away from the negative ions in the sky,
and onto the positively ionized water on the ground.

because the ionized waters have built up,
to the point that the ground has become more positively ionized,
than the sky.






11:11

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 01:09:09 AM »



by the way.

i think that the reason why a lightning bolt,
can have tens of thousands of amps,
is because the sky's water is always negatively ionized,
and the grounds water is always positively ionized.



where a wimhurst machine has very small amperage,
because its 2 wheels,
are always flipping their ionization.

the wimhursts ionization,
flips back and forth so quickly,
that a large number of electrons,
do not have enough time,
to move from point A to point B,
as amperage.



instead of moving from point A to point B,
as a large amount of amperage,
the electrons uselessly hover between point A and point B.

as non-amperage.



if you had a lord kelvins thunderstorm,
and you dumped sand or rocks into one of the 2 buckets,
than that would encourage the water in that bucket,
to stay positively ionized only.

though the electrode would have to be surrounded by the sand/rocks.

and the other buckets water,
would still be flipping,
between being positively ionized,
and being negatively ionized.



11:11

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Re: Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 01:20:13 AM »


if you wanted to create a source,
of negative ionization only:


1:
wrap a rock with copper foil.
(or a bunch of small rocks.)
(or a bunch of play sand, that doesn't have diamagnetic carbon in it)


2:
wrap the rock/copper with plastic wrap.


3:
wrap the rock/copper/plastic with a second layer of copper foil.



the rock is paramagnetic/negative.
so the first copper foil layer,
would be positively ionized.

the second copper foil layer,
would become negatively ionized.



because freed electrons from the air,
would want to get close to the positively ionized copper foil.

but the second copper foil layer,
is as close as the electrons could get.

so the second copper foil layer,
would have lots of extra electrons dwelling on it.



the plastic wrap electrically separates,
the first copper layer,
from the second copper lair.

so that both copper layers,
do not become positively ionized,
by the rock.



the rock is always paramagnetic.
so the first copper layer,
will always be positively ionized.

so the second copper layer,
will always be negatively ionized.



the more rock material,
the more paramagnetism,
the more positive ionization,
the more negative ionization.



the rock is always paramagnetic,
so the negative ionization will never flip,
from being negatively ionized,
to being positively ionized,
to being negatively ionized again.



in theory,
this would allow a wimhurst or a kelvins thunderstorm,
to have more amperage.

but i so love to think,
and i so hate to interact with the physical world,
that i will likely never try it.



i don't need the karma,
from one of you stealing it,
and killing others with it,
anyway.


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