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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 289005 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2011, 11:32:27 PM »
with R he probably means graetz bridge rectifier and the + and - output
are the DC outputs of the bridge rectifier.

Now it gets clearer.

He also uses greatz bridge rectifiers in his video.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2011, 11:44:16 PM »
What is R on schematic ?

Does not really needed,just put an oil capacitor AC there and it should be much better.

The circuit on the videos is little different from this one.Only common is the theory.Here it is.

 


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2011, 11:48:01 PM »
 hi Stephan

Thank's for your shematic

I made a crude replication tonight with the air core coil of the primary of a mot and a 12 volts relay "modified to self trigering)

The frequencys is arround 400 hz (at 9 volts input ) and i get some results but so far not extraordinary..

But i will try deeper in the  concept tomorrow

Anyway thanks for the input

And good luck at all

laurent

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2011, 11:49:46 PM »
By the way i am trying a new setup now with no moving relays and mechanical stuff.Hope to finish it soon. :)


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2011, 06:19:17 PM »
    Just a tidbit here. With the magnets positioned the way they
are, when they go by the coils it will do a hard pole reversal. This
will create a sine wave output as if you had spaced north/south
magnets. You will not get as strong a field to the coils that way
but switching poles.

thay

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2011, 11:32:08 PM »
I'm just wondering. Isn't that another example of a rule " don't kill the dipole" ?
We have magnetic dipole inside coil. We know that when coil is disconnected there is back EMF impulse, and we know that really this impulse is nothing but natural LC oscillation of coil self-inductance and distributed capacitance. The only problem is direction os that back emf.
When we make&break at the peak of magnetic field there is a one way situation because magnetic field is going to change into electric. We are somehow converting that small portion of magnetic field into forward EMF !!! Doing it exactly at natural LC resonance we could have gain and maybe also do not deplete source.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2011, 11:46:29 PM »
or maybe I'm wrong  ;D maybe it's about capacitance of coil

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2011, 11:51:59 PM »
Hi all

2 other cents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanbffVFZPU

hope this helps

good luck at all :)

laurent

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2011, 12:51:39 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYaPvGipao4
Shorting the coil will produce a powerful high voltage spike that charges the capacitor very fast.The rotor remains unaffected even when the coil is shorted continuously.The position of the reed switch is critical to get the maximum spike and maintain the rotor speed unaffected.
People trying to replicate this type of rotor make sure that the magnets are secured properly - they can act as bullets(it happend to me too).I have used a plastic ring 2 layers, cut and made from a plastic watter bottle.

« Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 03:03:16 AM by romerouk »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2011, 01:50:30 AM »
@romerouk
well done !

Can you try to put a about 5 Watts 230 Volts incandescent bulb lamp
across the cap as a load and see, if it lights up ?

Or put 50 white LEDs in series and see, if they will
light up ?
(use an additional  series resistor so you don´t  blow them up the first time...)

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2011, 02:00:16 AM »
@Laurent,
well done, you are getting closer.

Just try to let your chopper circuit run all the time, not just in the
maximum amplitude.
This way it will produce much more ringings all the time and thus
much more output.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2011, 02:59:49 AM »
@romerouk
well done !

Can you try to put a about 5 Watts 230 Volts incandescent bulb lamp
across the cap as a load and see, if it lights up ?

Or put 50 white LEDs in series and see, if they will
light up ?
(use an additional  series resistor so you don´t  blow them up the first time...)

Regards, Stefan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_0-0YutKI
72 LED's powered from the shorted coil


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2011, 03:23:08 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_0-0YutKI
72 LED's powered from the shorted coil

Nice design!

I want to see a spin down time with and without the output coil on the board.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2011, 03:43:18 AM »
Nice job Romero.  ;]
A light bulb should be easy. It doesnt have to be 100w to prove anything. Small 4w consumes 30ma at 120v.  It should light bright and they are cheap.  Then step up as you develop it.

Mags


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2011, 04:33:12 AM »
Hey Romero

That rotor gets up to good speeds with that single stator. Have you measured the input current to see power in?  Be interesting.

From what I see, if you add more gen coils, they could all join to a single cap. You may see some drag by adding say 3 more, but then you can readjust.  Myself, I would have each of the 4 coils with their own reed and out diode, all to 1 cap, and stagger the coils so they fire in sequence. ;]   I think you are getting very good power out for the distance from the rotor. 

The core, is it just some of the original core but short?

I like the heavy rotor and the mags worked out perfect.  =]

Mags

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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