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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 461146 times)

Magluvin

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #495 on: January 17, 2016, 07:36:57 AM »
One more and gotta go.

I did some shots of the bifi and the normal coil at 400us and 80 us for comparison.  First 2 are the bifi and the next 2 are the normal coil.

In both shorting tests the bifi seems to charge the cap faster and both coils demonstrate being able to charge the cap above 30v at nearly the same rate of rpm. The normal 1.65mh has more drag on the rotor it seems compared to the 27mh bifi. More controlled tests to determine better.

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Magluvin

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #496 on: January 17, 2016, 07:40:09 AM »
The bifi is 26awg series conected and the normal coil is 18awg.  About the same size but big difference in no of turns.


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tysb3

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #497 on: June 26, 2016, 12:47:34 AM »
Hi
There is my 2 cents for shorting generators coil.
I found that with one red switch was charging  over 150 volts only one capacitor, another was keeping less than 10 volts. Then I change turn direction and there  was charging another capacitor. Then I connect second red switch.  First switch was "on" on incoming magnet, another - out coming and both capacitors was charging.
Generator coil is on the core from MOT transformer about 800 turns, wire diameter is about 0.6-0.7 mm. Coils resistance is about 15 omhs.

For better Lorentz force compensation capacitors in each cycle need to be discharged.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 07:37:24 AM by tysb3 »
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tysb3

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #498 on: June 26, 2016, 05:07:42 PM »
Sorry,
I made mistake, Lenz force
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dieter

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #499 on: June 27, 2016, 03:11:05 AM »
No I guess you were right:

-Lorentz force
-Lenz' Law

Basicly, without Lorentz force there were no electromagnets.

Only, in induction generators, unfortunately it opposes the mechanical motion of the inducting field (says Lenz)... normally ... harhar, but now kansas ain't what it used to be.

Looking good, keep up the good work.
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skycollection 1

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #500 on: March 24, 2020, 10:26:06 PM »
This is my most recent publication of my version of the Newman engine, I am presenting some of the main aspects of my project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPqSH2mMyRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZWKebPo2fk&t=12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZJHdWM4Fs

AND THE CIRCUIT DIAGRAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtcDeCQUCo&t=38s

I hope it is of interest to you, greetings from Mexico, Jorge Rebolledo.
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onepower

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #501 on: March 25, 2020, 07:16:41 AM »
Hello Jorge

Good to see a fellow builder and I built many variations of the Newman motor-generator over the years. Newman used mechanical switching to manage the HV/HF aspects of the process and mosfet/transistor switching is problematic. However that being said using a setup similar to yours I found better results by adding a 555 HF chopper driving a transistor prior to the main switching transistor. So we have the 555 high frequency switching being pulsed on and off at another frequency like so... ^^^    ^^^    ^^^    ^^^. This is similar to Frequency Modulation with the modulation being either zero or the preset frequency of the 555 timer.

In this way we can drive the coil(s) at resonance with the 555 and still modulate the power input with the secondary switching. Two switches, one at the coil resonance (x) and one to pulse on and off at another circuit resonance (y). There are two resonant points here, x which builds up the coil fields sequentially through a series of HF pulses and y which pulses the HF on and off. X is resonant with the coils and y is resonant with the circuit/coils as a feedback loop.

Which begs the question why?, it's a long story however I can tell you what to look for. Don't drive the circuit with your power supply drive it with a medium sized capacitor so you can log the energy efficiency or input vs output as a run time. When x hits near coil resonance the power rises faster with each HF pulse and when you hit system resonance the run time is greatly extended.

The trick is then to split the system so the upper coil switches x,y sync with the lower coil switches x,y which is what your looking for. As you can see there is a horrendous amount of shit going on here which is why so few people have ever seen anything in the way of positive results. They think oh I will just switch this which spins this and shazam the magic happens but no not so much. 

My best results were whenever I looked at any given device and thought what would everyone else do then did the complete opposite or something whereby I had no idea what I was doing. The key word is "different", repeating what everyone else does is a lesson in failure while we want to move forward hence ... different.

 

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konehead

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #502 on: March 25, 2020, 10:51:02 AM »
Hola Jorge
Thanks for keeping with it! I always get your newest experiments in my email, this one looks really great one.
Most people here are cooped up from CV19 lock downs too....I am in country of Belarus, where they are not having much problem with it (so far) and people are free to roam around but my wife and I quite paranoid still.
Anyways I have done lots of experiments put stuff on youtube, (MrDKONZEN) and am building up a good webpage while this virus madness takes over...looks like gloom and doom for future but could be worse (not sure how)
My motors and generators not so beautiful objects as yours, as dont have much to work with here....in Seattle, I have lots of stuff and tools but here not much so my motors and generators very Fred Flinstone (you know who that is cartoon character).
Anyways just some questions, I am using laptop, can type fast...
What is the output in watts of those two 110V LED lights?
Not what the box that they were sold in said, but what is the amps flowing into a light, using ammeter on its way there, and what is the voltage across the light while it is lit up?  I see some one said on youtube you have I think 5watts input (I believe the ammeters if DC amps in, and voltage at input of your transistor switching)
And same guy said 16 watts ouput....is this true just wondering...
Second question is there no lenz law from the white pickup coils inserted in there? 

Does it slow down over time, and the flywheel makes it not affect rotation rpms and amp draw "at first" but does eventually Lenz Law cause slow down of rotor?
Are those aircored flat coil pickup coils?  Whats the ohms of them, and anything special about the winds?
Final questions whats the RPMS of it in video, and what is inside the copper tube, two neodymium bar magnets or four maybe? are they NSNS if four or NNNN if four?   Also whats the ohms of one of those big square power coils, are they microwave oven transformer winds or did you wind yourself?
THANKS FOR YOUR WORK VIDEOS AND HAVE FUN! ... computer translation follows:

Hola Jorge
¡Gracias por seguir con eso! Siempre recibo tus experimentos más nuevos en mi correo electrónico, este se ve realmente genial.
La mayoría de la gente aquí están encerradas de los bloqueos CV19 también.... Estoy en el país de Bielorrusia, donde no están teniendo mucho problema con él (hasta ahora) y la gente es libre de vagar por ahí, pero mi esposa y yo bastante paranoico todavía.
de todos modos he hecho un montón de experimentos poner cosas en youtube, (MrDKONZEN) y estoy construyendo una buena página web mientras que esta locura de virus se apodera de... parece tristeza y perdición para el futuro, pero podría ser peor (no estoy seguro de cómo)
Mis motores y generadores no tan hermosos objetos como el suyo, como no tienen mucho con lo que trabajar aquí.... en Seattle, tengo un montón de cosas y herramientas, pero aquí no mucho por lo que mis motores y generadores muy Fred Flinstone (ya sabes quién es el carácter de dibujos animados).
De todos modos sólo algunas preguntas, estoy usando portátil, puede escribir rápido...
¿Cuál es la salida en vatios de esas dos luces LED de 110V?
No lo que la caja que se vendieron en dijo, pero ¿qué es el amplificador que fluye en una luz, utilizando amperímetro en su camino allí, y cuál es el voltaje a través de la luz mientras está iluminado?  Veo a alguien dicho en youtube que tiene creo que 5vatios entrada (Creo que los amperímetros si DC amplificadores en, y voltaje en la entrada de su conmutación de transistor)
Y el mismo tipo dijo 16 vatios ouput.... es esto verdadero sólo preguntándose...
Segunda pregunta, ¿no hay ley lenz de las bobinas de recogida blancas insertadas allí? 
¿Se ralentiza con el tiempo, y el volante hace que no afecte a las rpm de rotación y el tamaño del amplificador "en el primer" pero finalmente Lenz Law causa ralentización del rotor?
¿Son bobinas de recogida de bobinaplanas ventiladas?  ¿Qué son los ohmios de ellos, y algo especial sobre los vientos?
Preguntas finales lo que es la RPMS de la misma en vídeo, y lo que hay dentro del tubo de cobre, dos imanes de barra de neodimio o cuatro tal vez? son NSNS si cuatro o NNNN si cuatro?   ¿También cuáles son los ohmios de una de esas grandes bobinas de potencia cuadradas, son vientos de transformador de horno de microondas o se enrolló usted mismo?
GRACIAS POR TUS VIDEOS DE TRABAJO Y DIVIÉRTETE
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skycollection 1

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #503 on: March 25, 2020, 03:54:54 PM »
Thanks for your commentaries, as you know i do not studied electronics, i am learning and my English is not good, but i will try to anwnser some questions for example the magnet inside of the copper pipe i have a magnet, neodymium magnet very powerful that i protect with copper because  it is so powerful that if it collides with another magnet it breaks very easily,  here is the link for the magnet, is a magnet  diametrically magnetized; https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RC4CDIA
It is incredible the power of this magnet being so small, the power it has is immense, the flywheel do the work, the inertia produced by this metal wheel delays Lenz's law by almost 100%, the microwave coils produce many Eddy currents but my Newman motor seems to have no magnetic brake, when I put the second coil, it does not affect the input voltage, retains the same input volttage, which are important aspects of motor operation.
The other questions i will try to anwser all the questions, I will make some measurements with the ammeter, I just need some time to understand the questions, unfortunately I do not speak English, my language is Spanish but I will try to translate and answer all the questions as I can, I want to clarify that I am only an experimenter I am not an expert in this stuff.
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konehead

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #504 on: March 25, 2020, 04:27:10 PM »
Hola Jorge
Type in Google search "spanish to english" then you will see box to copy and paste your spanish writing into, there is another box next to it, that will pop it out in english, so copy and paste it here, its pretty easy...sorry about all the questions, take your time
Konehead



Hola Jorge
Escriba en la búsqueda de Google "español a inglés" entonces verá el cuadro para copiar y pegar su escritura en español en español, hay otra caja junto a ella, que lo hará estallar en inglés, así que cópielo y péguelo aquí, es bastante fácil ... lo siento por todas las preguntas tomar su tiempo
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