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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 281279 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2011, 05:09:06 PM »
Wow   wouldnt that be a lot of constant current on the MOT?


No, not, if you toggle the switch with 30 to 50 Hz switching rate.

Surely you could also additionally use a double pole switch to
switch off the 12 Volt battery from the coil while shorting out the
coil, but this makes it much more complicated.

By using it how I have drawn it, you will also get 12 Volts higher
output voltages then at the output cap as the spike voltage
adds up to the battery voltage.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2011, 05:09:06 PM »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2011, 05:16:47 PM »
The example of Stefan seems confusing to me.

In this example the coil is powered by an external voltage source. Imagine the voltage source is AC.
If a sinus shaped voltage over the coil is used, the current through the coil is 90 degrees lagging.
If a coil is shorterned at the peak of the voltage, therefore there is no current flow at in the coil yet.
Using Ecoil= 0.5LI^2, this means no energy is stored in the coil at the moment the coil is shortened.

I think it is only the case when flux is generated by a magnet.
So, shortening coils at maximum voltage should apply to generator situations, not motor situations?

Basics:
Flux is proportional to current in the coil
EMF is proportional to the delta flux in the coil and therefore proportional to delta current
If a coil is to be shortened at max EMF, the delta current is max.
Delta current is max when it crosses zero amps
With zero amps there is no energy left in an 'air coil'.
So, if there is an effect, this should be related to magnetic viscosity of core material.
Using air coils does not make sense to me.
Any other opinions?

If you have again another look at Reply #37 where BruceTPU
posted the diagramm from Konehead
you can see, that there is this AC cap in parallel to the coil,
when the switch shorts it out.
Thus there is always no 90 degrees shift anymore of voltage versus
coil current, so there is always a coil current at the max coil voltage level.

You need current inside the coil, when you short it out,
otherwise you will not generate any spike voltage !

ALso it does not matter, if you just switch this switch on only at the
max coil voltage level.
You can just chop the current of this coil all the time on and off,
so you need no complicated sync circuit.

Just a "doorbell ringer circuit" with a 9 Volt battery and a relay with
a few more unused pins at the relay are enough for it to get a on/off switching  with about
20 to 50 Hz is enough for it.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2011, 07:07:43 PM »
I attached a basic drawing I made and wondered if anyone can tell me if I got it or I am way off.
Thanks
« Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 10:45:15 PM by McGiver30 »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2011, 07:39:13 PM »
Yes, you can do it also this way, but you can also put a 1 to 10 uF foil
cap( 1000 Volts rating, no electrolyte cap) in series with
the Reed switch.

This will then reduce the drag on the magnet.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2011, 09:15:23 PM »
I understood that.. i just wanted to make sure i had it right in my head. It is actually for my own project I am building that i wanted the info for. Thanks for the information.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2011, 09:15:23 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2011, 10:27:33 PM »
I understood that.. i just wanted to make sure i had it right in my head. It is actually for my own project I am building that i wanted the info for. Thanks for the information.

@McGiver

The way you draw the circuit you loose the half of the power.You get only the convetional energy.The energy that people is used to see.
You need the radiant energy also.You cannot have this energy like that.You have to think opposite.Think Tesla  :)

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2011, 10:32:11 PM »
Hi McGiver,

Would you mind re-editing your uploaded picture file and upload again?

I mean the useful info in the full picture area occupies only the upper left corner, about 1/4 area of the full picture size, the rest 3/4 is empty space.
This way the width of the new picture will not increase the total thread page unneccesarily. You can do it in the Windows built-in Paint program.
Click on the Modify icon in your post for doing the removal and uploading.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2011, 10:38:26 PM »
I resized  the picture  for him.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2011, 10:47:20 PM »
Thank you Stefan.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »
@McGiver

The way you draw the circuit you loose the half of the power.You get only the convetional energy.The energy that people is used to see.
You need the radiant energy also.You cannot have this energy like that.You have to think opposite.Think Tesla  :)

Think I understand, but can you redraw it and show what you mean just so i mean?

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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2011, 11:05:32 PM »
Think I understand, but can you redraw it and show what you mean just so i mean?


This set up it will give you this but only very minute power.To have some real power you need to insert something more to boost the production.Look at my channel hfaistio under coil short.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2011, 11:09:15 PM »
http://www.fuellesspower.com/

Have a lock at the free energy demo kit.
It's a coil ;one end to a  resistor , the other end to the diode.
The now remaining ends connected to the mulimeter . Parallel to this multimeter a cap, when connected raising voltage / amps whatever he is measuring here.
Is this related to free energy / cold electricity.
Does the cap collect this 'cold electricity'. Many have here a lack of fundamental understanding, and somehow there must be a proof that there is indeed a voltage gain not resulting only by induction.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2011, 11:15:01 PM »
If the batt is minimum 0.3v and more should be enough to produce voltage spikes 400v and higher. 

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2011, 11:20:49 PM »
@Michaelpier
Please post your plan here, the lines are not clearly seen. Only guessing.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2011, 11:28:29 PM »
What is R on schematic ?

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