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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 297197 times)

Offline romerouk

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Shorting coil gives back more power
« on: February 19, 2011, 03:51:45 AM »
When the coil is shorted at the right peak time the coil sends back lots of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGbPwXq13GI

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Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 04:02:49 AM »
Hey Romero

I had found this idea on YT some time ago and tried it.  It does increase the output compared to normal gen function.  BUT, it does load down the rotor motion more with shorting.  But with recent developments, my attn is if the higher V can be disharged into the rotor drive coil to get a self runner.  Im just really getting into HV discharges, so now it seems logical.  ;]

Mags              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7P-JSF6i4


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 04:11:18 AM »
Hey Romero

I had found this idea on YT some time ago and tried it.  It does increase the output compared to normal gen function.  BUT, it does load down the rotor motion more with shorting.  But with recent developments, my attn is if the higher V can be disharged into the rotor drive coil to get a self runner.  Im just really getting into HV discharges, so now it seems logical.  ;]

Mags              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7P-JSF6i4
Even if I leave the coil shorted all the time it is not slowing down the rotor. The magnets on the rotor are not aligned in a standard mode.I will post some more videos with the rotor off too.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2011, 04:14:20 AM »
Very cool Romero, no drag?   I didnt rewatch my vid but I think it had shown the drag I was referencing. 

Mags


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2011, 02:54:55 PM »
Below is the circuit used to do the test.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 03:52:29 PM by romerouk »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2011, 03:14:42 PM »
Sir,
I salute you for sharing This ,and teaching us the potential of these circuits!
Thank you
Chet
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And I'm also very glad that "Magluvin" is seeing this!

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 03:23:17 PM »
A more complex setup lighting a 240v bulb using the primary side of a 240v transformer with a 12v battery,cap and frequency generator. There are more out there..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIfY__szAAo

http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/upright-alternator-circuits

This shorting of coils reminds me of Ed L shorting a pmh coil creating the magnetic current.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 04:21:46 PM »
Below is the circuit used to do the test.
@romerouk,
When I read this post, I was reminded of your idea of the magnetic switch (attached hereby)from another post.  I was not able to convince the Mumetal factory to sell sample rod to me. I am still looking for mumetal rods from the Internet. But I wonder if the coils of the magnetic switch setup can be shorted with a peak detection circuit. Thus integrating both ideas in one.
I must recognize that romerouk you are a very creative guy.
Good job, my friend.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 06:01:08 PM »
....
 I was not able to convince the Mumetal factory to sell sample rod to me. I am still looking for mumetal rods from the Internet.
....

Hi aaron5120,

If you could dig out hard drive disks (HDDs) from older computers (ask neighbours, computer service shops) or even buy second hand or defunct older hard disks, then you could dismantle them to find the backing plates from which you could cut pieces and sandwich them if needed. No exact need for using rod I suppose.
See this link on what I mean:
http://www.reuk.co.uk/Hard-Disk-Drive-Magnets-For-Wind-Turbines.htm

rgds,  Gyula

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 06:15:57 PM »
Coil shorting concept is really taking off.  Thanks Romeruk for showing this apparently easy way to build. 

  One question about the magnet setup on the disk.  It looks like 2 magnets at each of the 4 positions.  Are those setup something like this (crude drawing)? :
        ______________
        |_S________N_|
        |_N________S_|

Edge or disk is at left of diagram.  If so are they in a configuration as it appears that they need to be forced together and wedged in place (or epoxied or similar).
   Or is it a single magnet in each of 4 positions with the N/S simply at 90° to the edge of the disk?

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2011, 08:18:30 PM »
Coil shorting concept is really taking off.  Thanks Romeruk for showing this apparently easy way to build. 

  One question about the magnet setup on the disk.  It looks like 2 magnets at each of the 4 positions.  Are those setup something like this (crude drawing)? :
        ______________
        |_S________N_|
        |_N________S_|

Edge or disk is at left of diagram.  If so are they in a configuration as it appears that they need to be forced together and wedged in place (or epoxied or similar).
   Or is it a single magnet in each of 4 positions with the N/S simply at 90° to the edge of the disk?
I have used a single magnet in each of 4 positions. Having the magnets orientated this way reduces the drag.Even when I leave the coil shorted the speed is not affected.The coil used in my test is from a microwave fan with the original core. More turns, better the effect of amplification and less drag. The setup can be tested even in a normal NS setup.
I am working on a solid state version to be able to short the coil multiple times at every peak of the wave.
The same principle can be used in many variants. I think that Kapanadze is using something similar.
My 12 volt Kapanadze replication was based on the same principle. At the time I was working on that setup I had it working without knowing and understanding all about it.
Recently I tried to replicate my Kapanadze setup and after many attempts was not working like the original one.After playing a lot with it I realized that if the SG shorting the coil is not at the peak of the wave then I get nothing extra.At one point Kapanadze was saying that once the principle is understood the it can be applied to any setup, electrical, mechanical,...
Success everyone!
RomeroUK


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2011, 08:53:53 PM »
Hi All,

How pertinent is this guys video now ? (1 and 2)

http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/10/2cUS03yNl40

Looks like it's been under our noses all this time and we couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Kindest Regards, Penno

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2011, 09:28:00 PM »
Hi All,

How pertinent is this guys video now ? (1 and 2)

http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/10/2cUS03yNl40

Looks like it's been under our noses all this time and we couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Kindest Regards, Penno

and this ... posted by minoly on EF  ::):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyKVU6YzYw


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2011, 09:31:17 PM »
Hi Penno64,

I think what you refer to is a different principle in that it does not have a sine wave or sinewave-like induction or oscillation in the coil, ok?  I think your video link shows capturing the kick back from a coil when switching current on and off but what is involved here is inducing voltage by a moving magnet and when the induced voltage is at its peak values (either negative or positive peaks) then you short the coil by a switch and this is what enhances the voltage in the capacitor (after rectification).

See here some more on this (Doug Konzen site):
http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits

rgds,  Gyula

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