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Offline Philip Hardcastle

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Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« on: February 15, 2011, 03:19:06 PM »
Hi All,

I am probably not going to have much time to post much here about this but for those interested in following a device will soon be undergoing independent replication of a violation of the Kelvin interpretation of the 2nd Law of TD

http://sebby.125mb.com

I have carried out a number of experiments before making this claim.

I am very confident it will be confirmed over the next few weeks by many other physicists.

I hope some of the forum members can replicate or build higher powered units

Regards

Phil

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 04:07:30 PM »
I am curious how much energy it takes to heat up and maintain a 600°C Isothermal bath, and would you ever get that much energy back from the unit?


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 07:31:47 PM »

I have carried out a number of experiments before making this claim.

Hi Phil, thanks for coming back here with your latest. Can you provide some details about your experiments?

- Power in/out ?
- Setup used, E180F or ?
- Does the E180F have to be from Philips? Can either the 6688 or CV3998 equivalent tube be used?
- How long will the tube last at 600C ?

Also, as ResinRat asked, is this a conversion device for waste heat or solar, or can one generate the 600C+ and expect more out than in ?

If you can provide more information at this point, then more people will pursue a replication/verification.

Thanks!

tak

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 02:03:15 AM »
@Phil,

Well, I think you should talk more about the ability to isolate
the 600C+ degree ~ 1100+ degree F isothermal bath from the
environment than you should about how much energy you
generate. I see 600C seems to be near the edge of red glowing
in iron.

As I see you will have lots of Infrared because the black body
spectrum of most materials nontrivial at 600C.

I would imagine your ability to generate energy is still really about
heat transfer but this time about the core sensors ability to radiate black
body spectral violations out through the isothermal bath and into the
environment to create a virtual cold side reservoir.

Hopefully you will talk about that some about that because I know
very little the insulation of very hot objects from the environment.

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 04:42:20 AM »
Guys you are missing the point.

The ability to produce power from heat without an exhaust has been deemed impossible.

I have done it!

Now heat to power without the need for a cold sink is 100% efficient.

The device is IN the isothermal bath so all this talk of the bath losing heat radiatively or otherwise is beside the point.

Heat losses from heat reservoirs is not my business, it is a specific engineering issue.

Let me say that mirrors and insulators exist such that heat loss can be brought down to acceptable levels.

Now let me give you a for instance

Assume we have my device with 20 layer in a 20mm thick sheet and each layer produces 1W per cm2.

20 layers therefore can produce 20W per cm2.

Now assume the heat coming in is solar on one side from concentrators. The other side of the sheet radiates a blackbody rate of say 5W per cm2 but it is surrounded by vacuum and a 98% reflective coating to the vacuum wall. Therefore heat loss is 100mW per cm2.

Let us even assume we have losses from the front surface (the side where the concentrated solar is focussed on) that amount to 1W per cm2.

The net result is 20W of electrical output for 21.1W of solar input.

This is an efficiency of 94+% or at least 2x the best alternative technology.

There are vacuum mirrors that are 99.9% reflective so a 5W per cm2 radiation is reduced to 5mW per cm2.

Now here is the obvious, if you compress air 100x it get very very hot, extract half the heat via the device, then expand the air through a turbine to recover energy in compression. The net result is more electricity than is required to run the compressor, so fresh air can produce power.

For a motor vehicle and air flow of just 1m3 per second, which is just a gentle breeze for a 0.3m2 air intake (about the size of a current model radiator), the extraction of 1/2 the heat and it converted etc, will result in a net available power of 30kW to power electric wheel motors.

A car that runs on fresh air!!!

Now can you guys appreciate that what I am telling you is BIG.

It is not some silly pendulum or magnetic magic device.

This is the breakthrough this and 100s of other sites have been looking for.

If you cannot see the difference then the World is doomed to hear from con men forever.

This successful challenge to physics will eventually be understood and verified, when it does it will be replicated a 1000 times and governments will treat it as the number 1 solution to energy.

You guys need to see this from a physicists viewpoint, it is a violation of the Kelvin interpretation, once physicist hear about and test this device, it will be the only energy tech the World will ever need.

Rather than trying to tell me about virtual cold reservoirs, perhaps spreading the details to university labs and professional physicist would be the go.

Sorry to sound a bit arrogant but I am not interested in people taking this as another crackpot idea.

Those that wish can take up my offer and plan commercial sized units.

My hope is that someone will see the big picture and know the CEO of Google or some such giant, then we will have them everywhere in a few years.

The sooner the better for the sake of the planet.

Anyhow thanks for your interest.

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 04:42:20 AM »
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 05:55:21 AM »
For the sake of possibly getting some hands on feel for this I've got a couple questions.  Does the PHILIPS E180F tube already have a nickel anode and oxide coated cathode?  Can this tube output even a small current at room temperature or say an output that can be read with a standard Fluke quality voltmeter at a temperature of say 200º F?  I like your idea and especially your philosophy to get it out to the world.  I think this is the only way a valid idea will succeed. 

   One other question I believe someone else mentioned here or elsewhere.  Considering the cost of the E180F versus the much cheaper but equivalent 6J9P (or at least for most purposes I think it is equivalent) do you know if the 6J9P can be substituted for experimentation with similar results?

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 06:14:55 AM »
Hi e2matrix,

I cannot say for anything other than the valve I used. The principle should be the same though.

I did my first tests at 220C and used a Keithley 617 electrometer. The output was 25pA with the G3 connected to the Anode and 3 pA with the G3 floating.

I then did the same at different temps.

At 550C I had 3.1uA and an open circuit voltage of 850mV, sadly the glass softened when I tried to do 600C and the thing collapsed.

I believe the best configuration to be as follows

Cathode connected to G1 and G2
Anode connected to G3

Connect all with identical wire, I use nichrome wire.

Terminate connection from the valve to a hot box that is at the same temp as the valve.

Wires then run to a room temp terminal and meter connects to that.

See photo of melted valve


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
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Offline tak22

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 07:01:33 AM »
 :) :) LOL  :D :D

Phil, slow down! Don't judge us all by the wackiness that can happen in most topics around here.
You're only a couple posts into this and I think we're just asking for information, because without
that nobody can take a step in your direction.

I personally am quite OK with BIG breakthroughs.

Most people don't deal with devices in the 600C range so naturally they ask questions.

Wackiness comes from lack of information and 'hiding' the secret ingredients.

Stick with freely sharing info and the skeptics/idiots won't have anything to strike with.

Keep the claims grounded and based on experience and let your audience grow into your idea.

all the best,

tak

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 11:02:07 AM »
Hi Philip

The idea of a Maxwell demon from a cold cathode in a vacuum is not new (http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3188), as well as similar ideas where the unbalance from different work functions of 2 dissimilar metal electrodes is replaced by the action of a magnetic field (http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104).

Nevertheless the subject is still controversial because the current is extremely weak, so it is difficult to eliminate the possibility of ambient EM being rectified, or Seebeck effect in the measure circuit. There are also other possible artefacts.

So it can't be asserted with certainty that it is a Maxwell's demon without a measure of a decreasing temperature. But it can't be done now due to the extreme weakness of the energy that is gained (which is the same as that supposedly extracted from the environment).


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 11:26:09 AM »
The papers and authors your refer to are well known by me, in the first case of Germano in his 2nd version he acknowledges me and our conversations. Germano's paper is still flawed as he fails to give weight to the issue of secondary emissions, following some further criticism by me of his paper germano no longer wishes to speak with me.

As to Fu and his paper if you lookon this site you will find I was highly supportive of him though his device could never produce more than fA of current.

Your statement re 3.1uA perplexes me, you must think I live next to some transmitter.

2 wires come from a shielded vacuum valve in an iso oven. The wires run close and parallel to each other and have a total length of 30cm before terminating at the iso block at the analog meter.

Now at 200C I use a keithley and get 25pA, at 300C I get 250pA etc etc etc at 550C I get 3.1uA.

Now if the cause is EM we would expect it to be present at the 200C test and at the 300C test.

As to seebeck I ran the same valve with G3 floating and the output was just noise (3pA).

What is with the immediate presumption that anything new is old and any claim must be a bad measurement?

I have had many years working on this and it is a bit rich for people to assume that I am so stupid as to not account for the basics.

All I want is for someone with a bit of curiosity and a bit of technical skill to replicate the valve experiment or build the design I have shown.

Note it matters not what I tell people re my data for nobody will believe me until someone else replicates.

I ask that people put away the assumptions and dogma, look at the idea for themselves and decide if they want to get a valve, wire it up and test it.

Please spare me the self opinions, if people want to ask me a technical question that is good but that is not what you just did dear exnihiloest.


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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 03:42:22 PM »
Hi e2matrix,

I cannot say for anything other than the valve I used. The principle should be the same though.

I did my first tests at 220C and used a Keithley 617 electrometer. The output was 25pA with the G3 connected to the Anode and 3 pA with the G3 floating.

I then did the same at different temps.

At 550C I had 3.1uA and an open circuit voltage of 850mV, sadly the glass softened when I tried to do 600C and the thing collapsed.

I believe the best configuration to be as follows

Cathode connected to G1 and G2
Anode connected to G3

Connect all with identical wire, I use nichrome wire.

Terminate connection from the valve to a hot box that is at the same temp as the valve.

Wires then run to a room temp terminal and meter connects to that.

See photo of melted valve

Thanks for the reply and info.  That is impressive that you get 3.1ua at 850mv.  But as I suspected I would not be able to measure anything below that range as I don't have anything along the lines of an electrometer (I see used ones run in the thousands) and can't afford such.  One Fluke meter I've got will get down to tenths of a microamp so I might have a chance with that but I don't think I'd have the rest of the needed equipment (such as the isothermal bath) to set up a proper test.  I think some others around here may have access to such equipment though.  If you haven't already done so you might consider posting this info also at overunityresearch.com and energeticforum.com as I've seen some people at both those forums that seem to have access to quality lab equipment.  While I'd love to help out with crumbling the second law of TD I don't think there is much chance I can do that with what I've got.  Best of luck with this and hopefully some others here can participate in making history. 

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 04:07:31 PM »
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 04:07:50 AM by ResinRat2 »


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 11:11:31 PM »
@Philip,

I say this tube is an IR absorber that will change the blackbody IR radiation
spectrum to be less when what was measured once the tube is under electrical
load. The internal Planck IR reradiation is an effective part of the internal thermal
energy of an object. So despite any lack of any other heat outflows the internal
thermal energy of the object will have decreased over time in proportion to the
electrical load. Several watts of load would be required to actually test this
because of an objects thermal noise at these temperatures.

I don't think we need to tell any professors because they already know this.

If you disagree then it's up to you to experimentally validate it.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 11:35:09 PM »
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you are a 100% fool.


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Re: Working isothermal heat to power technology release
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 10:34:51 AM »
...
What is with the immediate presumption that anything new is old and any claim must be a bad measurement?
...

Occam's razor.
As long as simple usual explanations apply, no need of exotic theory.
I don't take the 2nd law of thermodynamics for unbreakable. You pretend that you succeeded with an electrical energy coming from a single heat bath. So you have to present an evidence as strong as extraordinary is the claim. With µA which are well below possible experimental errors, you are far from attaining the goal.


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