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Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: it's working?!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 10:57:58 PM »
Hi pree5, thanks for sharing your ideas and pics. I have tried charging a second cell, though it never charged 1 to 1, maybe 50%. Though your showing a little different circuit in your second gif, i'll have another look.

gadgetmall, i would suggest looking at what one is conforming to, before assuming it's the best choice for ones good.
It seems people are learning here on earth, that fear or fear based systems will never ever work for the good of all, it just takes some longer to figure this out.
No matter how good of a slave one intends to be within these systems, it will eventually swallow you up as well. True reality is based in love.
I just recently had a police guy tell me point blank, "our studies show that using fear and the fear of punishment in some form, is the best way to control peoples actions".
Now keep that in mind and look at everything in this world and you will plainly see, all these societal systems are using the very same thought systems.
These thought systems view human beings as a commodity to be traded and used like a piece of meat. These thought systems and the people supporting them, would not flinch at throwing us into a meat grinder, it would seem.
Why do they do this, because there minds have been programmed with fear and thus there actions all reflect a fear based survival instinct that tends to destroy rather than create.
Look around, if you have the eyes and heart to see and it will be self evident.
For who knows how long, humans have been operating in the fear operating system. It is a learning experience apparently and we have forgotten that we are eternal beings and we are energy beings having a physical experience, not the other way round.
So indeed, for a long time, a few groups of humans saw that they could very easily manipulate the masses if they were kept in a state of lack and fearing for there physical survival. Which by the way, has everything to do with this thread, this forum and all life for that matter.
I am not the only one to speak these words over time, many have been saying this over and over and the time has come to choose.
Choose fear (false reality) or choose love (true reality), choose wisely.
peace love light
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Offline IotaYodi

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2011, 11:34:00 PM »
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I am not the only one to speak these words over time, many have been saying this over and over and the time has come to choose.
Choose fear (false reality) or choose love (true reality), choose wisely.
peace love light
That might be your reality but the real world is different. If there is no fear of the consequence of your actions against nature or humans then you are just another animal without rational thought. Fear of consequences is a tool to be used wisely. There is right and wrong and even when its taught right there are some who dont care. Without fear there would be total anarchy and our progress as humans would have slowed to a crawl.   

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Offline conradelektro

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2011, 11:37:33 PM »
Joule Thief Circuits can be very efficient. It needs very little power to light a red LED and to keep the circuit oscillating (as little as 0.65 Volt and 0.4 mA). Therefore one can for sure swap the batteries in the proposed circuits many times before they are exhausted. Very few people will have the patience swapping rechargeable batteries for about a month or more.

I attach a circuit and a photo of a Joule Thief set up (which I put together with information found in the Joule Thief thread some time ago) lighting a red LED with a single AA-rechargeable battery for up to two months continuously. I used to run it with a very weak concrete-copper-aluminium-cell which failed after three  months (even when watering it). So, I am now running this little set up as a warning red LED with a AA-rechargeable battery. Quite useless, but I like it.

It shows that one could easily believe that there is some OU in a Joule Thief. But careful measurements and patience show high efficiency but no OU.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline resonanceman

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2011, 12:13:56 AM »
That might be your reality but the real world is different. If there is no fear of the consequence of your actions against nature or humans then you are just another animal without rational thought. Fear of consequences is a tool to be used wisely. There is right and wrong and even when its taught right there are some who dont care. Without fear there would be total anarchy and our progress as humans would have slowed to a crawl.


IotaYodi

You are preaching about something you know nothing about.
You are saying Skywatcher is wrong and your version of reality is right.

You COMPLETELY missed Skywatchers point.

I would bet that you  have no place in your reality for even a hint of the idea that  we may be more than just physical.

Skywatcher  is right........we are spiritual beings that have CHOSEN to experience physical existence.

The people that truly understand more about their true nature do not need fear to keep them in line.

It is all really much simpler  than it sounds.

God is love.

It is much more rewarding to spend your time focusing on love than it is  focusing on fear.
I guess if you have no understanding of focusing on love I guess you would need to believe that using fear to control people is required

gary




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Re: it's working?!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 03:54:42 AM »
SkyWatcher123 and resonanceman, 

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Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 03:57:54 AM »
pree5, very nice work on the .gif's for schematics.  Have you had this running for any measured amount of time? 

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2011, 04:48:55 AM »
  Escuse me guys...
      @ Conradelectro and All:
     I have taken the time to test the battery swap idea, long enough to see that for my Jt set up, it's was not going to run the leds very bright for long before the input volts are under 1 volt and the other battery stops being charged, at all.  If using more than one led, it becomes a proportionally even shorter run time.
  Watching to see how long a weak red led light holds up is also pretty boring.  But they do become useful friends at night.  I use at least three of them (Jts) every night as night lights, and would love to see them last a month or more by just flipping a toggle switch on each one everyday.
   If anyone has been able to run Several Leds,  Brightly, (3 or more), not barely lit,  off of a single AA battery (or a pair of them) for a month, or more, by swapping batteries, please let us know. 
I for one would be glad to hear about it.
                                                             NickZ

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Offline Pirate88179

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2011, 08:59:46 AM »
Conrad and NickZ:

It is not hard to make a basic JT circuit that will run a decent LED and take the battery down to .2 volts.  Almost all of my hand made JT's will do that.  If yours quits at 1 volt Nick and Conrad's at .65 volts, there is some room for improvement there.  What transistors are you guys using?  That is the key to going down to a very low input.

My larger Bedini motor still charges and runs my batteries after about 1 year or more.  I have not tried any of the charging circuits on this topic yet.

Bill

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2011, 11:42:28 AM »
What transistors are you guys using?  That is the key to going down to a very low input.

My larger Bedini motor still charges and runs my batteries after about 1 year or more.

Bill

@Bill:

For low voltage and low power Joule Thiefs I use the transistor BC547B. Could you please tell as a better one, possibly a transistor which turns on with 0.2 Volt at the base?

I would also like to see a good specification of your "larger Bedini motor which charges your batteries for a year or more"? May be you can download the specs into the download area of this forum? There is endless information about Bedini motors, but details are almost never published. Specially the parameters of the coil and the magnets are hard to come by. Also the circuits often leave lots of questions open. I suspect that the builders do not want to spend the hours necessary to document something comprehensibly.

Greetings, Conrad


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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2011, 03:45:37 PM »
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You are preaching about something you know nothing about.
You are saying Skywatcher is wrong and your version of reality is right.
You COMPLETELY missed Skywatchers point.
I guess if you have no understanding of focusing on love I guess you would need to believe that using fear to control people is required
  Quite arrogant of you to tell me about gods love. Major audacity telling me I know nothing about it. Spare the rod spoil the child. Now tell God he was wrong about that. I missed nothing but you did. I understood what skywatcher said. It only applys to this physical world to a point. Jesus said he didnt come into this world to bring peace but brought a sword. That sword is the word. This is the reality of the world. Every knee will bow and say I am God. Hes the Supreme "being". Head man in charge. Go ahead and screw up and make his day! Look at the pain he put on Jesus.

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Offline NickZ

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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2011, 03:59:06 PM »
   Guys::
   It's not that the Jtc stops at 1 volt or lower, but the charging of the second charge battery stops once the run battery gets below 1 volt, because the led is on, there is no real charging going on, as the charge battery would need at least 2 or 3 volts over what the led takes, to charge up, especially if the led light is on.   AAs will normally last all night on the joule thief on with a single AA (or 24 hours or so), but that is dependent on the number and type of Leds. The above is for the battery swapping circuit.
  The idea is to make a Jtc that will be useful, economical to run, and will last at least all night lighting several leds with a usable light intensity, not barely lit, for a week with a useless light intensity.
  My point was also that more leds means shorter run times, even if they are on the pick-up coils.  There is a correlation between the leds and the battery run cycle. This thing about
the secondary coil not draining the battery because its not directly connected to the primary is just not true.
500 leds will only light for one hour even when using the best 10.000 perm ferrite core.  Maybe two hours, thats it...
  So, the question is: how many leds are best for a single AA.  24 hour run time (bright).

   A couple of cement batteries connected to a Jtc is the only portable free light idea I've seen yet.  No wires going anywhere outside the house, not dependent of sun, wind, or frozen ground.

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2011, 06:56:26 PM »
@Bill:

For low voltage and low power Joule Thiefs I use the transistor BC547B. Could you please tell as a better one, possibly a transistor which turns on with 0.2 Volt at the base?

I would also like to see a good specification of your "larger Bedini motor which charges your batteries for a year or more"? May be you can download the specs into the download area of this forum? There is endless information about Bedini motors, but details are almost never published. Specially the parameters of the coil and the magnets are hard to come by. Also the circuits often leave lots of questions open. I suspect that the builders do not want to spend the hours necessary to document something comprehensibly.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

All of my small JT circuits use the old 2N3904.  The light I made for my Mom ran 24 hours/day for about a month and worked fine off of "dead" batteries.  when I checked those batteries once it stopped working, the all had less than .2 volts in them, some even less than that.  I made a short video of that light on my Youtube channel.

The specs for my Bedini are going to be hard for me to remember, specifically.  I can try to look them up but, there are several videos on my channel on this motor.  From memory, I used a basic Lidmotor transformer coil with iron nails as a core. (The transformer coil is nothing more than a discovery by Lidmotor that when winding the coil, if using the RS mag wire as supplied, you get a lot more of the lighter ga. wire than you do the thicker ga. so, when you run out of the thicker, you just keep winding with the thinner until gone.)  I designed a simple device where I can adjust the gap between the rotor and the coil at will, and very exactly.  I used a vcr head and very strong neos with the south poles facing out.  It hits over 10,000 rpm on 12 volts.  I still keep burning out my 2 vr's no matter what ones I stick in there.  (I used 2 of them) Transistor is the 2N3055.  I used an 80 volt neon as well.

If you have any specific question that are not answered in my videos, just let me know and I will go back and look up the info.

Bill


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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2011, 08:03:41 PM »
All of my small JT circuits use the old 2N3904.  when I checked those batteries once it stopped working, the all had less than .2 volts in them, some even less than that.

The specs for my Bedini are going to be hard for me to remember, specifically.  I can try to look them up but, there are several videos on my channel on this motor.
Bill

@Bill: thank you for the answer.

Concerning the 2N3904: I also used this transistor and my observation was, that it may run with less than 0.65 Volt, but it did not start with a lower Voltage than 0.65 Volt. Therefore I never tested how low down it still oscillats once started with 0.65 Volt.

Your Bedini-motor: I looked at the four videos. The VCR head is a very good idea because this wheel runs fast, accurately and quietly. The coil adjustment mechanism is very useful and seems to solve many problems. Somewhere there is an old VCR hidden in my house and I will try to find it. I collected some other wheels nicely mounted on good ball bearings from old printers. Further I put aside some old hard disk drives and CD-drives which could be used and one can even get some electricity from the motor (which acts as the bearing and also acts as a dynamo when it is span at high revolutions).

Your videos give nice ideas and the only question left is the circuit you implemented. I am sure it was published in some thread in this forum. May I trouble you to point me to it? Or you might still have the circuit on your PC, so that you could repost it? (Although it would be off topic.)

Did you ever try to run your Bedini-Motor in a closed loop via an electrolytic capacitor? Two rather small batteries (e.g. 100mAh)  would also be impressive (swapped by help of simple hand activated switches every few minutes)?

I did some tests with pulse motors and the power consumption could be brought down to about 100 Milli-Watts (still spinning well and fast). Therefore the use of big batteries on a Bedini-Motor would suggest a long run time, but one year is very good performance.

Sorry, I know that this was all discussed in some threads some time ago. Please point me to the right threads I would like to read up on it.

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2011, 09:06:01 PM »
Conrad:

Interesting thought about the 3904...I can't really say if I ever tried to start a circuit below that voltage, I only measured the battery after it stops working so, we both may be correct here....interesting.  I learn something new every day.

Thank you for your kind words on my videos.  I can't believe it has been 2 years since I built that particular Bedini motor...wow.  I used the schematic and resistor values from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8

The only thing different is I used the Lidmotor transformer coil which is very simple, but I can point you to one of his videos where he explains how to make it.  I used the same style coil in all of my One Magnet No Bearing Bedini motors, one of which I can run from my earth battery. I also added a second vr.

This guy on the above video does a lot of good explaining as I had no real clue about the Bedini Motor prior to building some of them.  Oh, I only placed the south side of the magnets facing out by mistake, they were suppose to be north facing out but I screwed it up.  I was told it would never work this way but I tried it anyway as it would have been a real pain to remove and reverse them.  They have to on really well due to the forces involved.  At those speeds, you do NOT want a neo flying off.

Funny, I just e-mailed John Bedini and asked him if he, or anyone he knew, ever ran his motors using supercaps only.  I have not heard back from him but I have always wanted to try this.  They could possibly store those high volt spikes in a more efficient manner than a lead/acid bat.

I had made a screen capture back then of that guy's schematic from the video but i can't find out where I put it, but, that is the exact circuit I used.  There are several videos in his series and all are good.  I believe the complete schematic is in the one I posted the link for.

Let me know if you have any more questions, or if I missed something.

I apologize to all for the off-topic posts.

Bill

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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2011, 11:02:35 PM »
@Bill: I found a circuit posted by jonnydavro in http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7113.0 (Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor), see the attached drawing. It is almost identical to the circuit from the video of  introvertebrate
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8

It looks like the circuit you used for your VCR-head Bedini motor.

I also found the video from Lidmotor about how he wound his Bedini-coil (with transformer action)
 http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/336/WkLmRlHKJIY

To wrap this up:

- Did you use this L3 (12V relay coil) as depicted in the attached circuit?

- Your two variable resistors and the resistor at the base of the transistor, are they 10K, 1K and 100R, as in the attached circuit?


These are my last questions, thank you for your patience.

Greetings, Conrad

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