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Offline ibpointless2

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Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« on: January 11, 2011, 06:05:11 PM »
I know that putting the word “overunity” in a title maybe a bold claim but what would you call a simple system that has more voltage over time?

We all know that capacitors when shorted out will give a bounce back voltage when the short is removed. That effect is not what i’m talking about, the effect i’m dealing with has more to do with the captret effect. The captret effect is really become many things, but the one we’re dealing with is the self charging when using capacitors. Many people who had played with the captret circuit such Plengo, who is doing great work with the captret tesla switch, have seen a self charging effect. Why does this happen? Thats a hard question to answer when you haven’t done the simple experiment i’m going to show you.

The experiment is really simple, so simple you may laugh at me for making such bold claims.

All you need is two capacitors and two alligator clips. One capacitor must be bigger with more microfarads, don’t use super caps. For my big capacitor I used a 220uF 50V capacitor and my little capacitor I used a 1uF at 400V. In order for this to work the big capacitor needs to be at a higher standing voltage than the little capacitor, my big capacitor started out at 238.6mV and my little capacitor started out at 24mV. To keep things fair you must have a standing voltage on both capacitors, that means both capacitors must sit not connected to anything for at least 12 hours. When both have a standing voltage record both standing voltage of capacitors. Now using the alligator clips connect the big capacitors positive lead to the positive lead of the little capacitor and the other alligator clip connects the negative leads of the big and little capacitor together. Now let it sit for a few hours or even days.

Depending on your capacitors this is what should happen: The big capacitor will try to charge the little capacitor, so the big capacitor goes down in voltage while the little one goes up until both are equaled out. Now this is where it starts to get crazy, both capacitors will go up in voltage, above the starting voltage of the big capacitor. My setup started out with the big capacitor with a standing voltage of 238.6 mV, now both capacitors read 397.0 mV. I’ve have not added any power and I don’t keep the meter connected. For some odd reason capacitors hooked up in parallel can self charge above the starting voltage, which by some people definition is overunity.

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Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2011, 02:58:31 AM »
It's not likely overunity, unless static electricity and the earth's field counts as OU.

Those who "know" always keep a shorting jumper across the terminals of their really large capacitors. By hooking your caps in parallel you have increased the total capacitance. Caps, especially electrolytic caps, are like "charge magnets", they will suck up charge (read voltage) from the environment if it's there to be sucked. Lots of things determine the voltage attained: the leakage current vs. the charging current, mostly, and thank goodness, the charging current from the environment is very small. But big caps can actually build up a dangerous amount of charge in the "right" environment if you let them.

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2011, 08:49:14 AM »
We all know that capacitors when shorted out will give a bounce back voltage when the short is removed.
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I know that putting the word “overunity” in a title maybe a bold claim but what would you call a simple system that has more voltage over time?
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I would call it a redox reaction. Only chemical capacitors charge a bit themselves. The cause is chemical reactions at the interface metal/electrolyte, question of depolarization as in any cell. This dismisses a phenomenon that would be due to the capacitors principle. Nothing else here than a conventional phenomenon.

To avoid chemical reaction and possibly get a Maxwell demon with a cell, see http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10208


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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 08:10:33 PM »
Considering the amount of EMF in the air in most environments and even the energy field generated by a person I don't find it too surprising that capacitors could pick up a charge from the environment.  Just laying out the leads from a sensitive voltmeter you can see it picks up voltage from the environment and usually the more they are stretched out the more voltage you get.  But still capacitors might be doing something more than just picking up regular EMF.  It's something to look at. 

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »
Considering the amount of EMF in the air in most environments and even the energy field generated by a person I don't find it too surprising that capacitors could pick up a charge from the environment.  Just laying out the leads from a sensitive voltmeter you can see it picks up voltage from the environment and usually the more they are stretched out the more voltage you get.  But still capacitors might be doing something more than just picking up regular EMF.  It's something to look at.

It's not the reason. It would not explain why only chemical capacitors are concerned. For charging from EM fields, a rectifier would be needed. There is none in a capacitor, and no diode effect.





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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 05:30:26 PM »
  @ All:
   After toying with this Captret project for what seams like many many days now, my take on this is:
I feel that the Captret and its caps are absorbing Aether from the surrounding space, and the cap is converting it to usable electric power. The caps are the  unreplaceable part of this effect, and has been mentioned many times before, in many different threads.  This is a Tesla idea, not mine own, but I am applying the concept in the Captret.  It is Aether that is found Everywhere, heat it just one aspect of it, the cause of the heat is due to the Aether conversion, but the body is also an energy form.
  The trick is to make the caps and metal batteries work together and become efficient enough to have them produce   usable energy.  Even thought the Captret system seams like it is a closed system, the metal caps and batteries (antenna effect) have turned it into an open system, by the absorption of Aether (not just heat). The body is also an energy form, that may help caps to absorb more energy than what is found in the normal surrounding air, at a faster rate, therefore there is more light output from the leds. It is not draining the charge from caps faster, but instead it is impulsing the effect generation.
  I don't think that the Captret's charging ability is very important here, as to me the small amount of extra energy is just a surface charge, when using only one led. But, the fact that leds are lit for days or weeks now, without the battery dropping its charge by more than a couple of volts is significant.  This is where the magic lies...
   Like drinking from a glass that never empties.   There is definately something to this, if we can figure it's cause, correctly.  I'm still hoping to be shown how this effect can be utilized to a beneficial purpose, by those with more experience, and ideas...   
                                      NickZ

                                                 
 

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 04:10:36 AM »
  @ All:
   After toying with this Captret project for what seams like many many days now, my take on this is:
I feel that the Captret and its caps are absorbing Aether from the surrounding space, and the cap is converting it to usable electric power. The caps are the  unreplaceable part of this effect, and has been mentioned many times before, in many different threads.  This is a Tesla idea, not mine own, but I am applying the concept in the Captret.  It is Aether that is found Everywhere, heat it just one aspect of it, the cause of the heat is due to the Aether conversion, but the body is also an energy form.
  The trick is to make the caps and metal batteries work together and become efficient enough to have them produce   usable energy.  Even thought the Captret system seams like it is a closed system, the metal caps and batteries (antenna effect) have turned it into an open system, by the absorption of Aether (not just heat). The body is also an energy form, that may help caps to absorb more energy than what is found in the normal surrounding air, at a faster rate, therefore there is more light output from the leds. It is not draining the charge from caps faster, but instead it is impulsing the effect generation.
  I don't think that the Captret's charging ability is very important here, as to me the small amount of extra energy is just a surface charge, when using only one led. But, the fact that leds are lit for days or weeks now, without the battery dropping its charge by more than a couple of volts is significant.  This is where the magic lies...
   Like drinking from a glass that never empties.   There is definately something to this, if we can figure it's cause, correctly.  I'm still hoping to be shown how this effect can be utilized to a beneficial purpose, by those with more experience, and ideas...   
                                      NickZ

                                                 
 

I agree with you. I am wondering whether we could maximize the surface area exposed to the "aether" in a way to attract more aether? 

For example, in order to improve the captret's efficiency, can we maximize the combined total surface area of the capacitor cans by increasing the number of capacitors in parallel?

Another area which I am looking at is Tesla's patent 685,957 and Bruce A. Perreault's work. According to the Tesla's patent, the metal/insulator interface can trap radiant energy from the space. I am not sure if the interface between the plastic skin and the metal can of an electrolytic capacitor can do the same thing.

(PS. credits should go to the originator of captret, ibpointless2.)


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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 04:10:36 AM »
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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 04:41:43 AM »
  I have increased the surface area of the combined capacitors (10) on my Captret and also have made a straight dipole of the combined metal D and also AA batteries to hook-up to a Captret-Jt device.  I think that the way this can operate itself is to simulate an open system.  The metal caps, batteries  and wiring works together to draw in juice from the surrounding space similar to an antenna circuit.  Putting your finger on a caps can stimulate the process.
 

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 11:07:35 PM »
I agree with you. I am wondering whether we could maximize the surface area exposed to the "aether" in a way to attract more aether? 

For example, in order to improve the captret's efficiency, can we maximize the combined total surface area of the capacitor cans by increasing the number of capacitors in parallel?

Another area which I am looking at is Tesla's patent 685,957 and Bruce A. Perreault's work. According to the Tesla's patent, the metal/insulator interface can trap radiant energy from the space. I am not sure if the interface between the plastic skin and the metal can of an electrolytic capacitor can do the same thing.

(PS. credits should go to the originator of captret, ibpointless2.)

here is the rest of  what you need..

tesla's utilization of radient energy ,,

aka a ground plate .. zinc coated steel rectangle plate .. insulated from ground and elevated .. the identical burried in the ground ..

 ;)
lay out as follows ..

ground plate (burried) wire to (-) cap  wire to elevated ground plate (+) on a non grounded  elevation point ..

get a 2.4 ghz  wifi bridge and a dirrectonal antenna .. align to  line of sight and fire at will ..

osiris

i herd someone say wireless electricty ..  ;D :o 8)

here is the pattend  check out fig. #3  as what i just explained ..

http://keelynet.com/tesla/00685957.pdf
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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 01:48:56 AM »
   @ Osiris:
    William, how nice of you to offer that patent, as what is needed.
  It might work too,  I'll try it, just so happens that I have a zinc covered metal plate about the right size, for just such an occasion.
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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 07:54:11 PM »
  @ Osiris:
   Wifi bridge?  Is that the same as a router, if so, how should I aim it, and at what?  I think I'm out in right field on this one.  But if I see it coming, I'll catch it...
   I'm still working at the antenna system... 
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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 03:48:51 AM »
Sunlight or any other ionizing sources tend to accelerate the charging effect. I am sure that many of us (including myself) have already verified this fact by experiment. I wonder if we could use this device to power an UV lamp and then let the ionizing energy from the UV lamp be recycled?

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 12:32:45 AM »
I know that putting the word “overunity” in a title maybe a bold claim but what would you call a simple system that has more voltage over time?

A boost converter.  A step-up converter.  A transformer.  Any number of things, actually, and none of them described as "overunity."  Overunity implies net power gain, not net voltage gain.  Net voltage gain is common, inexpensive, doesn't violate any laws of physics, and has nothing to do with free energy.

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2011, 01:28:38 AM »
   Guys:
   Osiris never did answer me, and I don't know if he can now, at least not here,  again.  I'm still interested in anyone following up on that Tesla patent that he had mentioned before.  About extracting Aether energy out of the air, using the plates etz...
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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 01:07:27 AM »
   Guys:
   Osiris never did answer me, and I don't know if he can now, at least not here,  again.  I'm still interested in anyone following up on that Tesla patent that he had mentioned before.  About extracting Aether energy out of the air, using the plates etz...
                                                                  NickZ


I back at working on this parallel charging of capacitors and batteries. I'm starting to see things to match up and I do think that the captret affect was taking use of the aether or Zero Point energy. Better yet I think capacitors in general can take energy from the vacuum or any dielectric material such as rocks or crystals.

Looking at the Tesla patent given by Osiris it seems that it was merely a capacitor that Tesla was showing us. One Plate of the capacitor is in the air while the other is the ground and the dielectric is the air and ground(dirt). It also reminds me of the people who would grow plants in the dark using the same idea Tesla showed in the patent.

I think dielectric material is the key to tapping free energy. Many inventors have already done this before.

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Re: Parallel Charging Shows Overunity
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