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Offline Doctor No

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DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« on: January 09, 2011, 11:58:05 PM »
I^m informing all interested in free energy, that on 22.01 Bydgoszcz Polytechnic (Politechnische Hochschule Bromberg) will be a new model of DRJ600.11 first time to public presented. It has about 350% total electrical to heat effectivity. What^s more it can be applied to many other purposes as heat production only: for chemistry, for oil production, for milk purification and many more. It is a practical version of DRJ1000. It is not X (experimental) machine, but testbed for various technologies to achieve economy gain.  Also, we seek for investors which will use it for own purposes for evaluation in various branches, not only heat production. For heat, it produces up 3x more as series ready DRJ200.11 by same electricity consumption. This machine, as well some others new for civilian and military purposes will be presented. This who join first, can be given later rights to sell our products. For more informations please call: 0048-790-818-838 8-10 pm till Friday only. 
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 12:19:50 AM by Doctor No »

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 01:54:46 AM »
350% efficiency,
 C.O.P. : 3,5  electricity to heat conversion =optimized heat pump level !
                                                                        for example NOTOCO (NL)

heat pump performance optimizer f.e.  www.eats.ltd.uk/heating_cooling.html  "result in a COP of about 5"

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 08:12:45 PM »
It is not comparable, COP and total effectivity. Better said, COP is sthg like usefulness of machine in time. It is more imaginary (virtual) as of real purposes. Same is with effectivity coefficient of electrical engines producers. They show mostly about 89%;-].    But it is so: nominal power of engine (10 kW fe.) divided by electricity consumption 11.5 kW, but this at 75% of power. But even this dates are not for real. Mostly they have 40-50%  of electrical into mechanical power conversion. And this is only real: what we give and what we get. I could also say that DRJ200 has 200%, but it is only effectivity of reactor self (workhead i mean): conversion of mechanical energy from electrical engine to heat. But we have to say yet. What we pay with is electricity consumption. It depends already on self effectivity of motor. Altogether, when Siemens gives nearly 60%(30% better over others) x 200 of reactor, it nears 120% by DRJ200.11 and 350 by 600.                                 For normal bread eater is better to show real, useful dates.  We take older home of 200 sqm, new insulated with 10-12, plastic windows. It should need 250 W/sqm/day by 20 degree of frost. And when so, it makes 50 kWh/day total.   DRJ200.11 needs 3.2 hours to produce this heat. With real electricity consumption 14 kWh it equals 45/day. By full month of heavy (siberian) winter it is 1350 kWh. When have price for cheap electricity as for heat pumps are needed, You have cost. And this machine can to 3 such homes to heat, or 4 smaller. Also real invest   cost/home 1000-800 EUR. By DRJ600.11 is under 450 kWh needed monthly.  Please give us Your dates for heat pumps. And please dont forget deep drilling cost.:-)
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 09:00:15 PM by Doctor No »

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 11:37:34 PM »
Hello Doctor No (ich gruesse Polen),

your first motor numbers are the load dependent efficiencies,
as consequence the total machine efficiency !
That is clear !

I do not understand the home heat calculations !

200sqmX250-55W/sqm per hour or per day ?
 ( I reed also your AKOIL reply #10 from 10.10.2010 )
You describe 20 degree negative ( "frost") ambient conditions !
Old,no/bad isolated buildings in Germany need 200W/sqm - per hour in
winter cold weather seasons ,siberian air-stream influence ,you know !

Using your machine DRJ200.11 with 3,2 COP. and 14KWH electricity input
transform this energy to 50KWH heat output,also understandable !

The only doubt:
 50KWH/day for 200sqm heating area and 20 degree neg. conditon and
 old house U/R-value

50KWH/per hour heat generation ,okay !
per day-calculation-consequence:
  Up to 24(day-hours) x 14 KWH electricity consume =336KWH/day

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 02:44:35 PM »
You make mistake as all which burn gas/coal today. They think: aha, ich schlucke (need) 1.5 T of coal/month, i will need 10.000 kWh electricity consequently. It is not so. By coal real d-:-)eficiences of burning process are 10-15% (power station makes 30-33), by gas max.30% of energy can we really as heat to become. So You see why gas burning is more progressive technology over coal, and heat pumps and DRJ (VHG) over all!;-]

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 04:34:21 PM »
I do not use coal/gas for heating,our house here is heated by electric heater !  :'(

Your example is a litte confuse-producing,Doktor No !
Cause you are giving a wheater extreme condition, for example in central Germany are only 4 hours below 15 degree Celsius per annum !

But now my heat calculation using a box model :

ground area 20sqm   5m large x 4m wide x 2,5 m high
surface         85sqm   
K-value         2,0         old construction,1-glass window
temperature amplitude  40 degree C   
=20degree + inside/20degree - outside

85x2x40=6800 heat units = 6800Watt=6,8KW for 20sqm ground area
Doktor No, you write about 200sqm ground area ergo 10x 6,8KW= 68KW !

Have you got this wheater extreme all the day so you have to calculate

68KWx24h for my virtual 10x20sqm box modell !                 
50KWx24h using your coal/gas heated 200sqm house example !
14KWx24h using your DRJ-machine heated 200sqm house example !

Where is my mistake,Doktor No ?

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 05:24:36 PM »
Not very. I had to consult all with Main Constructor of DRJ, Doctor S. He has practise in 1 finger:-), i dealed with long time ago and much forgotten. So it is always with coefficients when we don^t know how they are build and what they mean. Explanation is simply: after You heat 85 m2 by K=2 and use 6.8 kWh it should 24H to reach till next heat process. Simply say 6.8 heat is for 24 hours needed. So we can compare this K=2 to about 340 W/m2. Both dates are really obsolete today. K has  to be under 1.1 for each element, window fe. By passive homes it is only 0.6-(when good heard through phone;-)). Better please give us how much electricity You need to heat this place. By comparing real dates with theory we can effectivity of Your system to reach.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2011, 05:51:52 PM by Doctor No »

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 06:41:35 PM »
Hello Doktor No,

"surface" is the floor,tect and 4 walls sqm area= 85sqm !
The 20sqm box volume is 5mx4mx2,5m=50m3

K=Waermedurchleit-K-oeffizient(germ.): this number defines the heat loss
little numbers easy to reach with EPS/PU/Vacuum-Cells
like www.isorast.de  www.styrostone.com

I know something about the actual construction standart and about our common EU-target: the N-early Z-ero E-nergy B-uilding, Passiv-Haus/Negawatt-Haus up to the Aktiv-/Plus-Energie-Haus and the technical
construction needs !

But when you give us an old-bad isolated- building example I have to calculate and think about this example and not about what could be when .... !

My mental concentration actually : www.al-bernstein-industries.com

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 07:25:12 PM »
I know  what K means, but forgetten how to use it for calcs. Last time i had used for simulations when we started with DRJ/VHG some years ago. It took many time to test it by oil refining industry also. Doctor S which is a genius polish constructor, had simplified and improved my project. Doctor S is more worth as 100 constructors by BMW, Mercedes and others. When You have problems my mechanics, engines, buildings constructions, he can surely help. To heat.                                      New homes will be not very much built  before War. Rather after, when anybody stands alive:-)  Here in Poland, most homes is built between 200-350 W/sqm. People have already much problems to heat them but really dont do anything about. But what with Your electricity consumption? I think it takes over 15 kwh electricity/day. Em i right?

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 10:33:39 PM »
Yes,Doktor No,more than 15KWH/day,but included also the kitchen and bath room electricity consume !

I do not disagree about the technical possibilities of a polish constructor
but such a proclamation like " more worth as 100 constructors "  :-\ !
You shall be glad to have such a good help !
Actually a very important polish project:
Uni Lublin,Prof.Nazimek EKOBENZ CO2-2-fuel  similar Carbonsciences in the US

But coming back to your own project :
is the electricity to heat process same/similar the function of a friction heater ?
Do you actually use a fixed-RPM-electric motor or better-load oriented-a
variable speed drive ?
Is the working medium air or an other fluid ?
Is the transformed heat range same/similar the air-2-water heat pump level i.g.50- 60degree Celsius or above 90degree C. ?

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 02:21:04 AM »

...
But coming back to your own project :
is the electricity to heat process same/similar the function of a friction heater ?
Do you actually use a fixed-RPM-electric motor or better-load oriented-a
variable speed drive ?
Is the working medium air or an other fluid ?
...


The system is a hot water system, that distributes hot water to radiators,
Similar to a "point-of-use" resistance water heater...The system consists of
a spinning metal disk with holes drilled into it and will pump though some water.

It's easy to see why such a system would be able to produce heating at
100% of it's mechanical input power - and at least probably will, no matter
what. But the "COP" overunity number or the "Gain" depending on how you
wish to express it comes from cavitation, vacuum bubble formation due to
the holes in disk. This is all that necessary for the CF cold fusion process to
produce gain from D in the water.

The problem In my opinion is that as the rotor disk wears, the gain would
drop towards the 100% limit. The wear could be caused by grit in the water
(water heater tanks fill up with this gunk, apparently) or chemical reactions
between the rotor disk and the water. Cavitation itself causes inevitable
corrosion of the metal (target) material. Certainly filtering the water would
help the situation and sacrificial anode material might spare some disk. I think
wear is somewhat inevitable and it depends on factors not totally in control
of by the units manufacturing, and this efficiency dropping to a limit is difficult
to get ones mind around.

The units gain will need to be calculated by the difference in water temperature
between input and output ports. The volume flow rate of the water. And the
electrical input energy in KWH. One should have dynamic measurements of all
three because if you decrease the flow rate, the temperature automatically
rises on it's own as the disk can make multiple passes on the same water.

---

It would be interesting to see a graph chart between the RPM's of the motor and
the thermal gain of the pump. To see how much value one could get from throttling
the input energy. I would expect the pump max heating gain occurs at an rpm sweet
spot in device operation.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 02:36:05 AM »
@All,

This just gave me an idea. Heatpumps contain a resistive heating element
for when outdoor temperature drops too far. Then they start to draw a
horrendous amount of electricity.  Wouldn't it be nice to use a cavitating
pump rather then use a resistive element and keep the energy use somewhat
even?

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF: Bravo
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 07:50:44 AM »
Bravo my Dear. How You really learn schnell(speedy). But cavitation is really not the princip of working but effect only. What is only true is this biological-nuclear reaction: 1H+1H+e(-)=2D+ve+1.953 MeV This is of course 100x smaller energy production as compared to uranium fission, but please compare cost of water to uranium:-( And whats more, water is not destroyed in process as Uranium. She "cleans" its particles through vortex not only from energy, but  also from bad (particles).         Genau sagen durch verwirbelung, Wasser eine neue, reine arianische Phase der eigene Leben bekommt! Heilt sich und Umgebung. Alles was unnotig ist und nicht sauber ist sofort raus. Also, diese Wisse ist nur fur ein Paar Arianen reserviert.:-(        Have You ever heard about any social revolution? It is same working scheme. All in all, world of physics is not, and should not be away from social procesess as todays is suggested. On this Forum too. And cavities are place in which this reaction goes on with 10.000.000 deg. They are for what, what Tokamaks stay for, but without success;-]. When know how to avoid negative effect of cavitation you have no wear.                      According to charts, You can see how effectivity changes in time in reply no.72 from 15.05.09 in topic: First Cold Nuclear.......
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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 09:29:54 AM »
Yes,Doktor No,more than 15KWH/day,but included also the kitchen and bath room electricity consume          I think it is 50-60% effective. Doc S says even to 80 can be.                                         
but such a proclamation like " more worth as 100 constructors "  :-\ !
You shall be glad to have such a good help !                              He is even more!:-) (for conventional mechanics).        Why please my Dear, thousends of air constructors for 65 y. even Repulsine "A", supersonic engine not duplicated. Only Potapov and we.                                   
Actually a very important polish project:
Uni Lublin,Prof.Nazimek EKOBENZ CO2-2-fuel  similar Carbonsciences in the US                                                         Sorry, but thinking in XXI century about burning technologies is not my worry.   We have only this for Jews
 ready.

But coming back to your own project :
is the electricity to heat process same/similar the function of a friction heater ?
Do you actually use a fixed-RPM-electric motor or better-load oriented-a
variable speed drive ?                         We use asynchronous engines. They are simply, cheap, and enough powerful for this reactor work mode.
Is the working medium air or an other fluid ?                    This was thanks mscoffman answered.                                                   
Is the transformed heat range same/similar the air-2-water heat pump level i.g.50- 60degree Celsius or above 90degree         This depends on user. You can even with 250 to make it run, but for home optimum is 75-80.

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Re: DRJ600 350% CNF reactor
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 07:41:20 PM »
Hello Doktor No,
some years before I have been interested to get such a cavitation/friction heater.
But there is no me satisfying product available working like the publicated  McMurty cavitation/friction heater,input 600W and output 25.000BTU.

I hope that your product will be soon available to become  compared with other commercial heater.

Sincerely
               CdL

p.s.: I reed your reply #306 in the "Selfrunning .."-topic.
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        " Noch is' Polen net verloren !"mochte so'n Karol Woytila gedacht haben
        ,ned woar !?

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