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Author Topic: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen  (Read 56766 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2013, 01:10:31 PM »
@tinman the power output of a gold/platinum karpen pile can be made to be at least 6x more dense than the original due to modern technology in preparing massive surface area on the electrodes.there is no fuel to burn in a karpen system so you wont find any,its electrostatic attraction at work.what fuel did you have in mind?ive built cells using cheaper materials replacing the expensive gold and platinum giving tens or even hundreds times the power-density and i want to launch it to a commercial use overseas.which country are you in if i may ask @ tinman.using my own technology a single c-size cell can permanently power a large kitchen wall clock.a regular cellfone battery size will be able to permanently power your tv remote.there is no such thing as limited shelf-life with these type cells.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2013, 07:26:51 PM by profitis »

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2013, 01:10:31 PM »

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2013, 01:10:27 AM »
Hello profitis,

interesting what you describe in your last post. I live in germany and I like to ask you to send me a note about what size of cell you plan and the business-plan or whatever you have in mind.
Are there any tests which proof the longlivity of the cell ? ( chemical quality-change or - stability of the electrolyte which can be tested)

If you plan to do it as as business there should be some kind of proof.

People - especially here have an attitude of criticism if one comes up with statement about the alledged longelivity.

Regards

Kator01
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 11:33:02 AM by Kator01 »


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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2013, 04:58:04 PM »
hi kator.the proof is so obvious that it will shock the research scientists,the chemistry is straight from text-books,by the textbooks.do you have the power to set me up in a research lab with a comfortable salary if i show you something extremely useful?regards,profitis.

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 09:59:02 AM »
@ Profitis
I live in Western Australia,on the southwest coast.
Electrostatic charge attraction is along the lines i was thinking. But the power avalible would be very limited,in way of current.Damp and dry days would also see a difference in output by the battery-i would think.I guess you could trickle charge a cap,and use that as a pulse of higher current if needed.
So one must think that the fuel for the battery is the static charge avalible within the ambient air?,and the acid is the charge seperator.


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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2013, 01:58:43 PM »
no @tinman.the electrostatic charge is generated by the difference in electro-chemical potential between gold and platinum just like between any 2 galvanic couples except that gold and platinum cannot chemicaly react in this setup so they force the surrounding electrolyte/reactants to participate for supply of electrons.in other words,an oxygen electrode potential is dependant on not only oxygen,but on the fermi potential of the electrode/catalyst that comprises the reaction surface.any manufacturer of e.g. zinc-air cells will tell you that the materials and preperation of the air electrode plays a critical role in its electrical potential.one can get up to several watts for a few cm2 of electrode materials using the right electrochemisty,ive seen it.this type of cell can be very useful to electronics industry if its made dirt-cheap and high-powered,which it can be.just the watch industry alone is a multimillion dollar enterprise. 

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2013, 02:23:28 PM »
the amp-hour ratings of such type of cell will depend on surface area of electrodes.thus if i were to use e.g. sponge electrodes i would get electrical current and voltage for much longer time than if i used foil electrodes.theoreticaly i could power an ipod or radio for an hour or two with sufficiently compressed powder electrodes and when the cell runs flat,just leave it for eg.30minutes to recharge.the speed of recharge depends entirely on chemical components.the original karpen system recharges itself in seconds after each discharge,its a quasi-capacitor-redox cell.we up the voltage by putting many cells in series pile,we up the current by surface area compression,like any cell.   

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2013, 12:38:22 AM »
hello profitis,

athough I agree to the necessity of a budget to bring any techique into being we here are in an open overunity-forum and one of the main feature of this forum is open-source. But of course this is up to you
to share as much as you like, no one will press or force you to share the secrets you have found.
But remember: approval by third party is a key to any scientific research. It saves time, provides the certainty
of your results so far... and of course you are at the risk to loose what you have found to a third party.
No, I have not got the financial means at this moment but ... who knows what will be in the future ?

regards

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2013, 11:43:40 PM »
true @kator,its a game of dice taking something from an idea into practice and profiting from it but luckily i have mastery over the concept. the concept gives birth to literally hundreds of possibilities so a corporation may want me very close to its bosom thus i can spring two new battery concepts every week if im paid to do so.my contribution here is to at least set the record straight about karpen,s discovery. 

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2014, 12:55:41 PM »
guess I should join others already working on this thing :)

I saw this video earlier this evening from Robert Murray-Smith on a karpen pile using graphene sheets and aluminum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbHctc5V7hI
I have some graphite plates laying around from a while ago I was going to use them for a HHO cell, until I realized I needed a lot more current than I was willing to produce, but anyway, I still have them.  So I broken one up in chunks and used some aluminum sheeting I had laying around... and instead of calcium carbonate just used calcium bicarbonate (without previously cooking it at 200F for an hour to boil off the extra carbon-dioxide http://chemistry.about.com/od/makechemicalsyourself/a/Sodium-Carbonate-From-Baking-Soda.htm )

Each cell I made was .5V approx, so I ended up with 8 making 4.1V total, which is enough to light one of these white LEDs that I have.  I included a 22k resistor in series so I could get a measurable voltage across the resistor and earlier I got .190V and on the video was getting 0.182-0.183 range... 8.2uA-8.6uA.Now to see how galvanic this thing is... I'll leave it laying around for a week or so (though I'll have to keep adding water)...

Hour 1 video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNWfhnf3jpg

Electronegativity of Al = 1.6; C = 2.66;   (Cu is 1.9)


(another replication https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAixQ276YKo  ibpointless2)

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2014, 01:05:04 PM »
I started with a single container with water and baking soda to test rough functionality.  Found 0.5V, so I got 3 bowls and split out some liquid into each and made a series of cells to get to 1.5V, so I could use my old red LED test I did before with crystal cell... I got the light to flicker slightly.  even across a 100ohm resistor it would only flicker for a moment before going out.  I added another bowl, and was able to get the LED to stay on dimly.  Added 2 more bowls and the LED stayed on more brightly.  Got a white LED and added 2 more bowls... so adding bowls(cells) increases available current.


Maybe I should get some small plastic baggies and make cells that are more sealed... maybe by the weekend.


MarkE replied on my old thread that it would take a while at such low current to get a good reaction.  Replaced white LED with red LED, voltage across resistor went up to 400mV, so it's up to 16uA, removed the resistor, leaving to sit.

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2014, 01:48:45 PM »
What is your anode(-) made of and what electrolyte are you using @d3xor

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2014, 02:08:48 PM »
What is your anode(-) made of and what electrolyte are you using @d3xor
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graphite plates ....one up in chunks ... aluminum sheeting ... calcium bicarbonate
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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2014, 02:16:38 PM »
This is galvanic corrosion without a doubt.aluminum is way too reactive to use in a karpen cell you will see gradual pitting of the anode under microscope.I'm going to give you one of my secrets to try out if you want d3xor then you will be ahead of murray on youtube but you will need to get hold of a chunk of pyrolusite mineral(MnO2) and large piece of nickel coin or spoon or sheet.

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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2014, 02:40:39 PM »
This is galvanic corrosion without a doubt.aluminum is way too reactive to use in a karpen cell you will see gradual pitting of the anode under microscope.I'm going to give you one of my secrets to try out if you want d3xor then you will be ahead of murray on youtube but you will need to get hold of a chunk of pyrolusite mineral(MnO2) and large piece of nickel coin or spoon or sheet.
Hmm Yes I might see that.
also it seems I can just use native tap water.
might be able to observe a faster decay with thin strips of aluminum foil


Edit: can you give me a rough sketch of the reaction and products?


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Re: Perpetual batteries from Vasilescu-Karpen
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2014, 02:47:31 PM »
Of the Al cell or the MnO2 cell d3x0r

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