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Offline Omnibus

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2011, 01:36:12 AM »
See that's exactly what i mean.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2011, 01:46:55 AM »
Now, that's more exotic an explanation than I'm used to. My approach is to explore the conventional avenues first. At this point I can't see how the circuit would have a different role than what it's role is according to conventional electric theory. You've explained it well and there's something very clever about the circuit even in conventional terms. Also, a battery is a battery, it's emf is due to difference in chemical potentials and I can't see how such difference in chemical potentials (in fact, electrochemical potentials) can be developed just by draining heat from the environment, be it radiant or through conduction.


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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2011, 12:53:42 PM »
The evidence is mounting up....



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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2011, 03:24:39 PM »
As far as I can see, some are claiming to have come upon Batteries based on principles other than the electrochemical principles a battery functions. So, it's about a battery. In your case, on the other hand, the battery is a conventional electrochemical system but the effect of maintaining and even increasing its voltage despite the slight current provided to a load is due to a specific schematic attached to it. That seems to me is a different approach than that of Hutchison or Vasilescu-Karpen. In both cases, however, the main concern is the reality of the effect (of producing useful work at the expense of only one thermal reservoir) in view of the very low output. Low-level anomalies are always suspect and almost always may be attributed to trivial causes or errors in measurement. So it will be interesting to see what the discussed additional experiments will show and think of other experiments too. All aiming at establishing the reality of the effect. The best, of course would be if you could increase the power levels to such values that can be studied with equipment people have around here.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2011, 05:06:05 PM »
The best, of course would be if you could increase the power levels to such values that can be studied with equipment people have around here.

If you had the right equipment, you wouldn't need to increase the power level.

I know I shouldn't even mention this. As soon as Omnibot is questioned, or you point something out to him, his reply is to spam your post.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2011, 05:41:53 PM »
If you had the right equipment, you wouldn't need to increase the power level.

I know I shouldn't even mention this. As soon as Omnibot is questioned, or you point something out to him, his reply is to spam your post.

Don't spam the threads.

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Offline nul-points

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2011, 09:03:15 PM »
As far as I can see, some are claiming to have come upon Batteries based on principles other than the electrochemical principles a battery functions. So, it's about a battery.

some

...but not all

however, this is precisely the point of my previous post: a variety of quite different battery configurations are being reported as having similar self-sustaining/recharging operation, with any excess energy most likely gained from the ambient environment

so actually, the evidence is starting to point to a deeper level than the battery specifics


In your case, on the other hand, the battery is a conventional electrochemical system

you think that my system (a dissimilar-metal setup, using an electrolyte with no dissolved electrode metals) is more conventional than, say, the Werner Henze cell which not only uses dissimilar metals but which also employs electrolytes with soluble metal salts of the electrode?


the effect of maintaining and even increasing its voltage despite the slight current provided to a load is due to a specific schematic attached to it.

what evidence leads you to believe that it is the load circuit which is providing all the excess energy to the system?


Low-level anomalies are always suspect and almost always may be attributed to trivial causes or errors in measurement.

i'd agree if this stage of the experiment actually involved making low-level measurements ...but it doesn't

at the moment, we're observing whether an on-load terminal voltage increases, decreases, or remains the same - and we're also monitoring time and temperature

hardly rocket science!


we're discussing measurements of:-
 - ambient temperature at values around 20 Centigrade with, say, ~ +/-10 deg variation;
 - on-load terminal voltage at around 2V,  range ~ 400mV;
 - time in units of hours and minutes

none of these measurements should be particularly taxing, even for any entry-level hobbyists on the forum


one of the few low-level variables in this system is the current draw of the circuit

it is no more and no less than is required by this particular circuit to enable it to continue operating correctly (ie. flash its LED at approx 0.25Hz)

(this would also  be the case if the load was an LCD clock, say - as used by some of the other experiments mentioned earlier - the total power delivered, over several years, being greater than the Ah capacity of the relevant commercial cells)


The best, of course would be if you could increase the power levels to such values that can be studied with equipment people have around here.

at present, as i mentioned earlier, the load drive capability is not under consideration


the experiment is currently aimed at establishing whether or not we have a self-sustaining system, capable of recharging itself thermoelectrically from the environment

if we do, then it would be appropriate to move on to discover more about the overall mechanism by which this is happening - and learn how to scale it up


but for the moment, "the proof of the pudding" as they say, "is in the (h)eating"

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2011, 09:09:40 PM »
Don't spam the threads.

I agree, why don't you go play with your SMOT. It's the only real OU device out there isn't it.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2011, 09:10:27 PM »
I agree, why don't you go play with your SMOT. It's the only real OU device out there isn't it.

Spam, Hahaha, beat you to it Omnibot

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2011, 10:43:13 PM »
Hi Omnibus,
please stop your SPAM postings,
otherwise I have to set you on read only.

Come on man, how old are you ?

Can´t we discuss this in a normal manner ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2011, 11:19:02 PM »
Hi Stefan ...thank you ...is there any way to add an argue or disagree button ,that would send the poster' to a new area so as not to clog up the thread with pages of worthless crap. My computer is super slow it takes minutes to load pages very dissappointing when all you read is two people bad mouthing each other,and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If anybody is interested in the arguement then they can go and read and respond if they so wish.......time is to short to waste it .......thanx ....shylo

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2011, 11:53:22 PM »
thanks for your help, Stefan

i'll get back to you if these members continue to behave like this

regards
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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2011, 04:07:50 AM »
Hi Omnibus,
please stop your SPAM postings,
otherwise I have to set you on read only.

Come on man, how old are you ?

Can´t we discuss this in a normal manner ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Hi Stefan,

I know you're not following these threads closely and that's why you might have missed that it's not me but several posters that are the actual spammers. I do not complain to you because I know you have many other things to do than to clean threads from spam that's why you have  it reversed. Please review the the recent threads to see that the warnings should be directed specifically to @MrMag, @XS-NRG, @osiris as well as probably one or two other posters. These, especially the first two have been disruptive, abusive and have contributed noting to the discussions. You may verify this yourself.

Stefan, you know that so far I have never complained to you about participants abusing the forum. From this moment on, however, I am warning anyone who makes even a single attempt to abuse the forum with spam, unrelated postings let alone clutter it with obvious nonsense, even if his posting are not directed to me, that he will be reported to Stefan without delay.

The anove in not to say that there should be no constructive criticism and many participants know that I am one of those practicing it the most here. However, there is a difference between constructive criticism, providing arguments, and blabber, filling the forum with gibberish without proper argumentation.

I expect your prompt response to this complaint.

Thakns in advance.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2011, 04:11:22 AM »
thanks for your help, Stefan

i'll get back to you if these members continue to behave like this

regards
sandy

Please review this and some other of the latest forums and correct yourself in a letter to Stefan. It is not "these members" but concretely @MrMag and @XS-NRG. I have not started this and you should fairly reflect that in your letter to Stefan. Thanks.

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Re: calling Maxwell's Daemon
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