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Offline sushimoto

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2010, 03:53:17 PM »
@ Sterling
sorry no cigar
they are not open sorced and refuse validations and testing. They are just using people lile yourself to suck in potential investors (although they claim they are after none)
They refuse to give details about engine modifications etc.
Mark

Hi Mark,

I dont know, where you are getting your "information" from,
but the only contact with you was my mail from August,
after you have asked for a longer run than in the previous video.

Here my PM to you:
Hi,
please take a look at this internal video.

As a documentation for self sustainability, the setup was
placed on some trolley and shiftet thru the house including an elevator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czNkIJoObw
The ignition was feeded by the small 12V battery,
which could be easily charged with the 12V output from the generator.

Unortunately, the 150W lamp as an additional load to the transformer
broke halfways because of the vibrations.

Please kepp the link as confident because we dont really want
this Overunity-freeEnergy Circus.
What we are dedicated to is science of efficency. "Efficiency".
.. Anything else just leads to exhausting argueing
and communicative underunity as seen on this forum since years.


best,
sushi

And here your answer, asking for more.

sushi;

Yeah, thats a great demo that was pictured in the video
but if you have any input *please* have him get rid of the
12Vdc external supply or the *battery* in this case. A little extra
energy may be coming from it and getting into the engine. It should
not be necessary to run the engine this way. Simply produce
12VDC from the engine spark magneto that it has embeded in the
flywheel.

Ultimately I would like to see a tethered model helicopter powered
by overunity supply with just an anchor cable so the thing
can't fly off if it wants.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Sorry, but connecting a helicopter-toy is not very scientific. ;D

And which University was refused?
In fact, there are several contacts ongoing wit GERMAN Universities.

The only contact beetween german experimenters and foreign parties,
were with Hagen Ruff from "Chava Energy" and
that is a comercial company.

No cigar for commercial parties, using the anton-team for their purposes.
My english is not good enough for all this argueing and politics.

Somebody here has made a very good point:
The system is not Overunity,
because there is not more water coming out
than they put in."

So please forget the fanatic discussion.

best wishes,
sushi


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Offline questioneverything

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2010, 04:09:26 PM »
Somebody here has made a very good point:
The system is not Overunity,
because there is not more water coming out
than they put in."

What your not getting is that over unity is not based solely on comparison of water in and water out. It's based on TOTAL energy in that YOU supply, and TOTAL energy out. This includes any electric current, mechanical energy produced from utilizing the HHO, heat output from the reaction, and of course the water it's self.

In over unity you can not look at 1 single thing. There very complex system that do not operate in thermodynamic equilibrium.

Efficiency is a measure of LOSSES in a system. A system can still be over unity even at only 50% efficiency.

Perpetual motion is another lie. Batteries die, machines break down, and time deteriorates all things. NOTHING can run forever.

C.O.P. (co-efficiency of performance) is the only true way to rate over unity. Instead of counting total energy in vs. total energy out as in efficiency ratings, C.O.P. is total energy out vs. the total energy in that YOU YOURSELF supply.

If you supply 1/2 total energy input and the other 1/2 comes from the environment, you get a C.O.P. of 2. C.O.P. of 1 is unity and any house with a heat/AC pump connected to it is in fact an over unity system as most decent heat/AC pumps operate between 3-4 C.O.P..


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2010, 04:20:16 PM »
E out /e IN= UO

(e in + e^)-e in =OU

Overunity is due to transformation , aquired energy from other domain than the original source

e in = energy source input
e^ = aquired energy from other domain
E out is the sum of such (OU)

for electromagnetics as a sample
 H= I2 rT = (OU Other domain)

Offline questioneverything

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2010, 04:23:47 PM »
E out /e IN= UO

(e in + e^)-e in =OU

Overunity is due to transformation , aquired energy from other domain than the original source

e in = energy source input
e^ = aquired energy from other domain
E out is the sum of such (OU)

for electromagnetics as a sample
 H= I2 rT = (OU Other domain)

I'm not very good at math, but thats pretty much it. YOU are the original supplier, and the evironment is the secondary. Anything YOU don't supply is extra that is transformed, or converted to another type of energy.



Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2010, 09:19:54 PM »
@sushimotto
I am afraid you have me mixed up with Markscoffman, that is not me. I do not recall having any correspondence with you. I do not even know your involvement with this or what your role is or who you are?
I will stand corrected on one point and that I said overseas but I meant other European. (it was a couple of sources in Europe that I got my information from and the video)
I commend you on stating that it is not overunity, but in this latest video and a couple of previous ones you have portrayed it as self running.
As you have seen with the person who owns this forum and others like Sterling Allen's FREEENERGYNEWS they are claiming self running and major breakthrough. I understand these are not your words but it is a natural interpretation that anyone would put on seeing the video.
Your cells are very high quality product but I am not sure their efficiency is any more than some others that are out there.
I am a little confussed about if this is an open source project or not. From reading the German threads you do have detail about your cell and ignition modification. However I do have a couple of questions for you (assuming it is open sourced, if not no need to reply)
1. What other modifications did you do to the motor(valve timing, cam modifications, spark plug etc)?
2. Have you had the exhaust gas analysed and what was the results?
3. Were any other hydrocarbons present in the bubblier or cell.
I was not aware of any commercial arrangements you have with Chava or any other company or anyone else you may have met.  That is of course your own business and no one elses.
I do however congradulate you on your work. 
 

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2010, 09:19:54 PM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2010, 09:34:19 PM »
@MarkSCoffman
well it seems you had this video for some months now? I understand you were asked to keep it confidential and my hat goes of to you for doing so.
Several other people somehow ened up with the video, I kept it under my hat when I recieved a copy form another source as i thought it was up to the makers of the video to decide what is released or not.
so i take my hat of to you again.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2010, 09:49:21 PM »
Sushi can answer you questions better I guess, but I understand it this way; The ignition in a pure HHO driven engine should occour when the piston are already on its way down. Because HHO detonates/burns extremely fast, so any egnition before the piston are on top, will probably force the piston in reverse. The valves should be timed so they are closed whenever the spark plug goes off.
If there are a small amount of water injection into the cylinder, the expansion of the water into steam will add extra power, but also probably slow down the detonation of the HHO, so it burns slower. Anyways, injection of water in the right moment will boost any gasoline powered engine - so why not a HHO engine? This extra boost will consume extra water, but will probably be the key to a selfrunning motor which runs on pure water electrolysis? I guess you already have seen the Japanese company which made a prototype van with a selfrunning HHO engine - which needs a bottle of water now and then.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2010, 09:49:21 PM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2010, 10:06:03 PM »
@aussiepom
I am happy to see you alive and kicking. I have always admired you dedication and passion for what you are doing. your also dont talk BS...I like that.
keep me up to date I will shout you lunch next time I am down in Melbourne.
Always ready to listen to anything you have
my email is markdansie@bigpon.com
all the best
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2010, 10:20:34 PM »
@aussiepom
correction on my email
its markdansie@bigpond.com
also skype me (mark dansie) nsw australia (there are a few of us around)
PS 5 litres a minute at 400 watts is very impressive an about the best i know of...well done.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2010, 10:32:27 PM »
With all the brilliant minds in the world trying to solve the world's energy problems I can assure you that the solution is not going to come from anyone that produces such a ridiculous video. I am not even going to waste my time reading this thread. There is nothing to see here, move on!

Look, we unplugged it and it's still running. Hey look, we are wheeling it around on a cart with no wires attached...and it's still running. Now we are in a sealed elevator going down several floors and no one is passing out from the fumes. Please send money!

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2010, 11:10:36 PM »
With all the brilliant minds in the world trying to solve the world's energy problems I can assure you that the solution is not going to come from anyone that produces such a ridiculous video. I am not even going to waste my time reading this thread. There is nothing to see here, move on!

Look, we unplugged it and it's still running. Hey look, we are wheeling it around on a cart with no wires attached...and it's still running. Now we are in a sealed elevator going down several floors and no one is passing out from the fumes. Please send money!
The biggest monkeys have the loudest screams:

I quote from a Norwegian site - the content seems to fit right in here:
"I see there are a handful of sensible supporters of the established knowledge here.

To use water as fuel via standard electrolysis will be difficult because it requires more energy than the potential one gets out, and with this increase in temperature also.

However, it is boundless naive of you to sit with your little mind and dismiss all the innovations with regard to the first and second laws of thermodynamics. To put this size of restrictions for self-perception makes one almost totally blind almost forever. And you will protest. Be my guest. It is absolutely inconceivable unintelligent to put limits on innovation.

Many elements have strong chemical bonds, but under the right circumstances, they act in quite different ways than expected. Your narrow scientific skeptics believe that the only way to open the box is to use a sledgehammer. And of course it requires considerably more energy than using the key.

Stanley Meyer did this for a long time ago. All of his patents is available. None, except the one now, as we speak, seems to have managed to reproduce his system. He has documents via the film that his engine ran on water. There are a number of witnesses. And the patent drawings are out there. Fortunately, there is a sharp private brain that are now beginning to successfully reproduce his system. Maybe they have managed something similar here.

It has been a similar histories from the U.S., Australia and Sweden. Everyone dies after some time. Also did Meyer, when he died of poisoning at a local restaurant."

Vidar

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2010, 11:20:19 PM »
With all the brilliant minds in the world trying to solve the world's energy problems I can assure you that the solution is not going to come from anyone that produces such a ridiculous video. I am not even going to waste my time reading this thread. There is nothing to see here, move on!

Look, we unplugged it and it's still running. Hey look, we are wheeling it around on a cart with no wires attached...and it's still running. Now we are in a sealed elevator going down several floors and no one is passing out from the fumes. Please send money!

Instead of sending money why don't you make this system? The generator is Chinese cost around 140 euro/bucks/pounds/  The HHO cell not so important any good dry cell construction will work it doesn't have to be the very same one. Cost 140 euro/bucks/pounds/   tubing pipes, fittings etc add another 100-200 = 380-480 so its cheap to try then YOU know if it works or not its the only way. If it doesnt work you can sell most of it and get your money back.

No amount of videos will convince anyone of anything unless you make it yourself. One thing i have noticed on this forum. People will try CRAP like self spinning magnets or swinging weights but the things that work with off the shelf parts no one will ever try it.


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2010, 11:21:41 PM »
Darn those noisy monkeys!

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2010, 11:37:21 PM »
"PS 5 litres a minute at 400 watts is very impressive an about the best i know of...well done."

400 watts DC yields about COP 3 without resonance and as much as COP 12 with 3 phase resonance systems. So 3 * 400 = 1200 watts nett effective including RE. The are two things we know are instant energy debts here. The lamp 400 watts i think = 1200 - 400 = 800 watts and also the cell need 400 watts so i have 400 watts to run the engine and cover the alternator losses.  The alternator is going to lose perhaps 150 watts from mechanical to electrical so i got 250 watts left to keep the motor itself turning. Will it loop? YES! PS if the lamp is larger then its taken from this 250 watts. Due to low speed under load the full power will not be reaching the lamp in any case.

Mods required spark blanking essential. WHY? cos at TDC the inlet valve is already open 2 degrees causes instant backfire for HHO. The timing is to be set almost exact TDC use 555 in monostable trigger delay from existing hall trigger to retard 12 degrees. Skip odd spark use DIV 2 counter. No mechanical mods required.  Speed set simple use phase comparator on HHO PWM drive.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 12:26:10 AM by bolt »


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2010, 11:44:01 PM »
Instead of sending money why don't you make this system? The generator is Chinese cost around 140 euro/bucks/pounds/  The HHO cell not so important any good dry cell construction will work it doesn't have to be the very same one. Cost 140 euro/bucks/pounds/   tubing pipes, fittings etc add another 100-200 = 380-480 so its cheap to try then YOU know if it works or not its the only way. If it doesnt work you can sell most of it and get your money back.

No amount of videos will convince anyone of anything unless you make it yourself. One thing i have noticed on this forum. People will try CRAP like self spinning magnets or swinging weights but the things that work with off the shelf parts no one will ever try it.

Problem is, there is a clear reason to expect self-spinning magnets to work and that the problems for the difficulty to make them are purely engineering. Not so with the HHO machine. There is no reason presented so far which would indicate that it can be an OU machine.

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