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Author Topic: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output  (Read 260429 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #480 on: September 08, 2014, 01:42:19 PM »
Al,

 
I see you are new here and have already fallen 'prey' to the resident FULL TIME SABOTEUR of this Forum!!

 
His “advise” is the most technically ABSURD post I ever had the misfortune to read since I started reading/posting on several forums more than 10 years ago!

 
It is downright CRAP!
ALL OF IT!
It is VERY clear that he has NO knowledge whatsoever about electrolysis and has NEVER made an electrolyser of any description in his miserable life!

 
The “game” he is PAID to play was already last several DECADES ago!
His performance is PATHETIC to the point of being embarrassing.

 
Now to the technical part.

 
The generator you have has the same rating as mine and a couple of friends' who are duplicating my WFGP.
The cell you have described is NOT big enough to run a generator of this size.

 
Basically, you have two options:
You could get two more cells like the one you already have and connect them in SERIES.
You then have 63 cells but may still need some current limiting, yes, capacitors but NOT 24.000µF!!
(24.000µF, my ASS!  What an idiot!)

 
or,

 
Make an electrolyser like mine but with 68 cells, which will become SELF-REGULATING.

 
If you wish to see HOW it is done, you should visit these links:

 
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/board,9.0.html

 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg41402;topicseen#msg41402

 
where you don't have to worry about saboteurs, they are on READ ONLY!

 
Cheers,
Les Banki
Les, rectifier / capacitor input line frequency filters are very simple and well understood mechanisms.  If you have difficulty with:  VDROOP = Q/C, or C = Q/VDROOP or that at 60Hz mains frequency, Q ~=8333us*I, there are plenty of references as well as circuit simulators that can be instructive.

Perhaps you would like to explain how adding the capacitor bank is going to "sabotage" his unit.

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Offline stevie1001

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #481 on: September 08, 2014, 06:10:13 PM »
Marke, the typewriter of this forum......

Les is Right about the capacitor banks.
Dont use it.
I know this from my own builds and engine runs on 100% hho.
I also know why.
Now you do some research yourself and come with answers.....
Its right under your nose...
Strait DC or pulsed dc.....
The whole WHY question.

Les, your the man!


Offline MarkE

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #482 on: September 09, 2014, 02:38:59 AM »
Marke, the typewriter of this forum......

Les is Right about the capacitor banks.
Dont use it.
I know this from my own builds and engine runs on 100% hho.
I also know why.
Now you do some research yourself and come with answers.....
Its right under your nose...
Strait DC or pulsed dc.....
The whole WHY question.

Les, your the man!
If you don't mind getting only about 60%-65% of the output with the same transformer and rectifier, then by all means, forgo the capacitors and let the current build-up and collapse at 2X the mains frequency.  If you want to regulate with PWM it is a lot more effective to rectify a bus first and then PWM from that bus at a frequency of at least several kHz, than it is to make the mains your switching source.  When you PWM from a DC bus, you can shape the pulses anyway that you want, not just a raised cosine at 2X mains frequency.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #483 on: September 09, 2014, 12:59:31 PM »
If you don't mind getting only about 60%-65% of the output with the same transformer and rectifier, then by all means, forgo the capacitors and let the current build-up and collapse at 2X the mains frequency.  If you want to regulate with PWM it is a lot more effective to rectify a bus first and then PWM from that bus at a frequency of at least several kHz, than it is to make the mains your switching source.  When you PWM from a DC bus, you can shape the pulses anyway that you want, not just a raised cosine at 2X mains frequency.


Wrong direction of thinking.
This has nothing to do with efficiency or with current control to do.







Offline MarkE

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #484 on: September 10, 2014, 08:32:45 AM »

Wrong direction of thinking.
This has nothing to do with efficiency or with current control to do.
It has to do with the output gas capacity for a given size transformer.  If one likes bigger heavier transformers to produce less gas, then by all means leave the capacitors out and let the line collapse each half cycle.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #484 on: September 10, 2014, 08:32:45 AM »
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Offline Les Banki

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #485 on: September 10, 2014, 10:15:00 AM »

Wrong direction of thinking.
This has nothing to do with efficiency or with current control to do.

Hi Stevie,

Nice to see you here again!  It's been a while.
Thanks for your support also.

As you have no doubt discovered, it is a dead waste of time in engaging in any form of 'dialog' with the "typewriter" of this Forum....
He always has to have the last word. 
Let him!
His agenda is the OPPOSITE of ours!

On top of that, he knows "JACK SHIT" about electrolysis!

Cheers,
Les Banki

Offline stevie1001

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #486 on: September 10, 2014, 11:14:20 AM »
It has to do with the output gas capacity for a given size transformer.  If one likes bigger heavier transformers to produce less gas, then by all means leave the capacitors out and let the line collapse each half cycle.


Sorry Marke.
You clearly didnt read my post.
You look into efficiency again.
Learn about how electrolysis in depth really works. Then you might see why Les design is what it is...

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #486 on: September 10, 2014, 11:14:20 AM »
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Offline stevie1001

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #487 on: September 10, 2014, 11:16:05 AM »
Hi Stevie,

Nice to see you here again!  It's been a while.
Thanks for your support also.

As you have no doubt discovered, it is a dead waste of time in engaging in any form of 'dialog' with the "typewriter" of this Forum....
He always has to have the last word. 
Let him!
His agenda is the OPPOSITE of ours!

On top of that, he knows "JACK SHIT" about electrolysis!

Cheers,
Les Banki


Hi Les,


And you are also still on the topic.....old love never die, i suppose!


Hang in there!






Offline MarkE

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #488 on: September 10, 2014, 11:34:31 AM »

Sorry Marke.
You clearly didnt read my post.
You look into efficiency again.
Learn about how electrolysis in depth really works. Then you might see why Les design is what it is...
Stevie1001 oh but I did.  You are free to do the math.

Offline Qwert

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #489 on: September 10, 2014, 12:26:47 PM »
Hi Stevie,

Nice to see you here again!  It's been a while.
Thanks for your support also.

As you have no doubt discovered, it is a dead waste of time in engaging in any form of 'dialog' with the "typewriter" of this Forum....
He always has to have the last word. 
Let him!
His agenda is the OPPOSITE of ours!

On top of that, he knows "JACK SHIT" about electrolysis!

Cheers,
Les Banki
With eight ( 8 ) years of experience on this forum, do you have any successful result?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #489 on: September 10, 2014, 12:26:47 PM »
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Offline stevie1001

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #490 on: September 10, 2014, 06:34:12 PM »
With eight ( 8 ) years of experience on this forum, do you have any successful result?


Yes i have.


Offline CowboyRX

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #491 on: September 10, 2014, 06:39:45 PM »

Yes i have.
Please share your knowledge.


Offline Qwert

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #492 on: September 10, 2014, 08:04:22 PM »
The only convincing way to prove that such H2O system works, is to make a closed arrangement: H2O electrolyzer/IC engine/DC generator/ >> back to H2O electrolyzer. If that works at least one full day and night (24 hours) by itself, I'll be fully convinced; no need for any math or electric formulas or even any light bulb to convince that there is an electric current involved.

 

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