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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2010, 03:10:15 AM »
@All,

As I have posted previously, I detect that this kind of closed loop system
where a hydrogen fuel cell runs an ICE engine is a special case of a self
running system. I suspect an ICE engine can be built that runs entirely on
water and air alone, by synthesising ammonia NH3 which has a negative
energy of formation like CO2. This reaction is from standard chemistry
and is not overunity. In fact before the Haber-Bausch process became
the most energy efficient way of synthesising ammonia, ammonia was made
in an engine like process. This reaction could be partially happening in the normal
operating mode of an ICE engine running on high temperature hydrogen with mixed
air aspiration, since N2 is a component of standard air and lacking cooling of carbon
combustion, and fill-in for the energy deficit of an approximate unity gain hydrogen
electrolysis and Carnot efficiency limits of the ICE heat engine. I suspect that
formation of ammonia occurs quite often in these systems and is responsible for
an oder that happens in the exhausts of Myers and the Fast Freddy vehicles.
Whether this is overunity or not depends on whether one accepts ammonia as
a non-pollutant in the environment or not.

This information if true, then it should be part of lore of ICE pure hydrogen engine
conversion. It appears as if this information is being suppressed by opportunists.
This is a good example of why I don't tend to trust the "old names" in the overunity
energy production field. You can not tell what they know from what they say.

ICE engine can either use ammonia as a fuel or synthesise ammonia via the
energy direction of the reaction depending on the parameters of combustion.   

Fuel Cells because of the differences in the reaction do no do this
ammonia synthesis, so I think that overproduction of hydrogen gas
above Faraday volumes should be the only measurement acceptable
for proof of overunity energy production during electrolysis.

:S:MarkSCoffman



 

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Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2010, 03:20:42 AM »
Love the movie!!
A Pretty girl Tossing a sledge hammer always gives me Goose Bumps!!

Chet


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2010, 04:10:19 AM »
@All,

As I have posted previously, I detect that this kind of closed loop system
where a hydrogen fuel cell runs an ICE engine is a special case of a self
running system. I suspect an ICE engine can be built that runs entirely on
water and air alone, by synthesising ammonia NH3 which has a negative
energy of formation like CO2. This reaction is from standard chemistry
and is not overunity. In fact before the Haber-Bausch process became
the most energy efficient way of synthesising ammonia, ammonia was made
in an engine like process. This reaction could be partially happening in the normal
operating mode of an ICE engine running on high temperature hydrogen with mixed
air aspiration, since N2 is a component of standard air and lacking cooling of carbon
combustion, and fill-in for the energy deficit of an approximate unity gain hydrogen
electrolysis and Carnot efficiency limits of the ICE heat engine. I suspect that
formation of ammonia occurs quite often in these systems and is responsible for
an oder that happens in the exhausts of Myers and the Fast Freddy vehicles.
Whether this is overunity or not depends on whether one accepts ammonia as
a non-pollutant in the environment or not.

This information if true, then it should be part of lore of ICE pure hydrogen engine
conversion. It appears as if this information is being suppressed by opportunists.
This is a good example of why I don't tend to trust the "old names" in the overunity
energy production field. You can not tell what they know from what they say.

ICE engine can either use ammonia as a fuel or synthesise ammonia via the
energy direction of the reaction depending on the parameters of combustion.   

Fuel Cells because of the differences in the reaction do no do this
ammonia synthesis, so I think that overproduction of hydrogen gas
above Faraday volumes should be the only measurement acceptable
for proof of overunity energy production during electrolysis.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Very good analysis. Coincides with my overall assessment too.

Offline exnihiloest

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2010, 03:36:33 PM »
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5DCzBry5A
...

Very sad to see this. Pompous videos to impress credulous neophytes are regularly produced by swindlers. I consider that overunity.com is honnest, so I'm very disappointed that such methods are used here instead of careful scientific and rational methods consisting in testing beyond any doubt before claiming to get the holy grail.
We cannot yet conclude with so little evidence as this video. Further proofs are needed. I perfectly agree with Markdansie and ElectricGoose and their analyses and good common sense.



Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2010, 03:56:54 PM »
exnihiloest,
So you won't be sending out any Checks to these guys?

Oh thats right ,I forgot ,they aren't looking for your money.

WWHEWWWW..............
That was close!
Imagine that ?,you actually want proof first!
What a novel concept?
So there really is a pink elephant in the room!

Chill fellahs ,your wallets are safe!
And the profoundly obvious?
Thanks to you boy's
Safe also!!

Merry Christmas
Chet

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2010, 03:56:54 PM »
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Offline tagor

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2010, 05:45:18 PM »
Hi guys,
this is the first real selfrunning device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMlciNOyo_U

Oliver and Valention, 2 users from the OverUnity.de forum, showing their selfrunning HHO system powering
a 400 Watt incandescent lamp for the first time in public
as a Christmas present for 2010.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)

Mirabella has done it one year ago
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9099.msg239103#msg239103
 
Harti did you contact the CERNTEA ?
 
here is the last data on the miraclean-laramie process
( sorry it is in french )
 
Quote

 Le mira etait la denomination du bicombusti. 2 ( marque déposée)
En Nov 2009, il y a séparation entre l'inventeur et la personne qui l'assistait.
Les 2 preparait le bicombust 3 et la version la plus poussée le Laramie.
le bicombustion 2 fonctionnait avec 75 % eau et marchait parfaitement.
Il avait été testé avec 60% d'eau et les resdultats etaient moins bon.
A 92% d'eau il marchait trop fort pour la generatrice, et montait trop dans les tours, ce qui a fait qu'il a fallu rajouter de l'essence pour le calmer.

ce qui montre que le rendement thermique est bien supperieur a 25% dans ce cas.
Il etait annoncé 40%, ce qui etait le cas du Bicomb 2.
Les travaux sur le 3 et le Lara annoncait plus de 50% de rendement.

le thermique n'est pas fini et loin de la.

Le top serait un assemblage, plaque elec avec hydrolyse, dopage a la brumisation, reacteur Lara.

Les bicomb et Lara marchent tres bien et avec peu de pieces mecaniques ou electriques ou electroniques.
Ce sont des évolutions du Pantone.
Grosse evolution mais je dis bien: leurs coeurs sont des pantones.

Et tous ceux qui mettent de l'inox n'ont rien compris au magnétisme et à l'apport qu'il donne.

L'essence sert pour le carbone.
En fait pour les Laramie et B3, l'essence est en quelque sorte un catalyseur.


 
" A 92% d'eau il marchait trop fort pour la generatrice"
 
with 92% water the motor run too fast

Offline tagor

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2010, 06:21:49 PM »
Very sad to see this. Pompous videos to impress credulous neophytes are regularly produced by swindlers. I consider that overunity.com is honnest, so I'm very disappointed that such methods are used here instead of careful scientific and rational methods consisting in testing beyond any doubt before claiming to get the holy grail.
We cannot yet conclude with so little evidence as this video. Further proofs are needed. I perfectly agree with Markdansie and ElectricGoose and their analyses and good common sense.

 
do you want to sponsor this validation ?
I can give you an organisation CERNTEA
I can give you a university in Montpelier
do you have the money ?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2010, 06:21:49 PM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2010, 09:24:55 PM »
@ tagor
no money is needed. They have refused to allow people at the universities or other people to test or validate the device. They even cancelled one validation or appointment at short notice (they were a little worried about the exhaust tests)
They have a lot of information that would be usefull to a lot of developers, however they have not put a case for overunity here. Without exhaust analysis and testing of the fluids used in the cell and bubbler all they have presented to a good motor with ignition modifications using a vapour carb.
What has been there motive...another fishing expedition for funding????
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2010, 07:14:00 AM »
@ tagor
no money is needed. They have refused to allow people at the universities or other people to test or validate the device. They even cancelled one validation or appointment at short notice (they were a little worried about the exhaust tests)
They have a lot of information that would be usefull to a lot of developers, however they have not put a case for overunity here. Without exhaust analysis and testing of the fluids used in the cell and bubbler all they have presented to a good motor with ignition modifications using a vapour carb.
What has been there motive...another fishing expedition for funding? ???
Mark

@mark
 
the french team is in contact with the CERTEA and the university
 
so one day ...
 
 

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2010, 09:44:15 AM »
I've posted a story about this here: http://pesn.com/2010/12/25/9501743_Anton_HHO_self-running_in_elevator/

And have added that link to our Anton HHO open source project coverage page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Self-Looped_Anton_HHO_Cell_System

Merry Christmas, everyone.

Sterling

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2010, 09:44:15 AM »
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Offline tagor

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2010, 10:02:32 AM »
I've posted a story about this here: http://pesn.com/2010/12/25/9501743_Anton_HHO_self-running_in_elevator/

And have added that link to our Anton HHO open source project coverage page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Self-Looped_Anton_HHO_Cell_System

Merry Christmas, everyone.

Sterling

thank you Alan
 
Merry Christmas

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2010, 10:09:05 AM »
@ Sterling
sorry no cigar
they are not open sorced and refuse validations and testing. They are just using people lile yourself to suck in potential investors (although they claim they are after none)
They refuse to give details about engine modifications etc.
Mark


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2010, 11:02:41 AM »
@Tagor
I will look into the Mirabella device, I have a good freind (electriacal engineer) with a good knowledge of free energy devices. Any comments I have made in my posts here were adressing Anton projects
Many Thanks
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2010, 12:08:57 PM »
I've posted a story about this here: http://pesn.com/2010/12/25/9501743_Anton_HHO_self-running_in_elevator/

And have added that link to our Anton HHO open source project coverage page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Self-Looped_Anton_HHO_Cell_System

Merry Christmas, everyone.

Sterling
I wonder if Apple will claim copyright infringement for using the old Apple ad? :D


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2010, 04:22:36 PM »
I hope they dont run the same fate of Brian Prater when he looped his electric lawn mower engine using RV principle ...

His lab was blown with a nitrocelulose missile from a black cobra helicopter ....

so i say hurry up and disclose the schematics and method before its too late .... specialy thoose murphys laws accidents on the road ...

Hector (:P

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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