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Offline hartiberlin

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Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« on: December 23, 2010, 04:34:37 PM »
Hi guys,
this is the first real selfrunning device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMlciNOyo_U

Oliver and Valention, 2 users from the OverUnity.de forum, showing their selfrunning HHO system powering
a 400 Watt incandescent lamp for the first time in public
as a Christmas present for 2010.

This unit only runs on Water being splitted and producing overunity power
to run the lamp.

This is the first candidate for 2011 for the OverUnity Prize.

P.S: The small accumulator is only powering the ignition circuit for the ignition spark and only needs a few Watts, so this could also be powered by the output of the generator in later units.

These are the comments Oliver did send me with this video:

The setup is on a trolley and they drive it around the house.
Since they let the camera run continuously,
so there will be no cuts in the video, the camera catches all the
glitches like the blown out
Lamp due to filament failure due to the vibrations of the whole trolly
and the missed elevator.


At the Beginning of the movie  the system  is started with the help of
another steady Anton HHO system.
From 0:45 it will be "cut off" and the whole system runs self-sufficiently.

At 1:15 the construction light is still switched on as a load.

Then the "journey " goes on.

Then of course Murphey´s law hits twice:

1. At about 2: 50 unfortunately, the lamp goes broke because of vibrations and
then the motor runs too fast because of the lack of a load.


2. At 3:25 we missed the elevator .. * grr *

Murphy´s law always applies ! ;)


At 4:55 of the elevator finally comes back and we go with the running motor-generator
4 Floors down.

As of 5:37, the system turns suddenly far above the normal speed and we
want to stop it before it breaks.

No matter.
Without consideration of losses, we continue down the corridor, out into the
open courtyard ..

7:00 - The system is in the courtyard and the transformer moves around bounces against the motor because of the vibration
the engine.

8:00 - I turn off the camera, because I'm afraid for the expensive variac
and the engine and because of the lack of light load the system still runs much too high RPM..


I like the concept of this movie, because
nobody has yet shown a combustion engine running  in an elevator before.

Any known fuel would have clouded the air in seconds and poisoned us.

Also inside the elevator there could not be any hidden cables as some
people always claim..
People wake up, this is a real system selfrunning !

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I will visit them early in 2011
and will have a close look into it.

Happy Christmas to all Forum users and
please spread this video !
Many thanks for your support and a happy and great 2011 for you ALL !

Regards, Stefan.(admin)
« Last Edit: December 23, 2010, 05:11:56 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 05:27:07 PM »
Looks promising Stefan.

So Oliver and Valention designed their own ignition system and replaced the old one? Yes, that would give them more control over spark timing, and perhaps they've created a stronger spark with this design as well.

Is there anything special about their water cell design? Is there a good breakdown of what they are doing on the German thread?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 06:33:42 PM »
Interresting device !!! So maybe the (whole) plan and/or comercialisation is a question of couple of months... If this real Congratulations to the inventor, for this "First" FE device. So for winter 2011 I can go off the grid and overheat my full home, thank you !!!

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 06:59:50 PM »
Stefan,
I have a smile that just won't go away now!!
What A wonderful Christmas present !!

And spread it around I will!!

Thanks
Chet

Edit
Correction for spelling [makes Wilby Crazy]!
« Last Edit: December 23, 2010, 08:14:19 PM by ramset »


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 07:08:34 PM »
The video you have shown was shot many months ago and been doing the rounds for some time. What is most puzzling is thye have cancelled many demonstratiions for people (some who even flew overseas) especially people who wanted to measure the exhaust gases..
During this time they were also known to have neen experimenting with carbons in the electrolyte or the water filter. A small amount of alcahol in either can produce the result without causing fumes that would hurt them. By having HHO in the combustion they nearly eliminate the all the carbon monoxide so they could run the thing all day inside even with petrol. (that really worries me they think like this)
I have even known of much better demo's where the hydrocarbons were actually coated on the plates to try and fool people.
So Stephan, these guys are fakes and possibly fraudsters until such time as they allow someone to test the the exhaust gas or do a proper validation. if you want to award them overunity money then you need to have the exhaust gas analysed.
The final nail in the coffin for these guys is that the amount of HHO comming out of their cell could not sustain that engine no matter what modifications they did to the engine.
I am sad that given the hard time they gave you that you would be so gullable to believe them.
I am happy to have people their anytime to test with full instrumentation, even at their local university.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 07:23:48 PM »
Hi Stefan,

Congratulations on the new development. Now, it's running longer and steadier despite the few glitches you mention.

I still, however, am uncomfortable as to the basic principle involved. As we were discussing earlier, the basis of the self-sustaining run should rely apparently on the electrolysis side. Now, for that to be the case we should either have the Faraday's law of electrolysis violated or the enthalpy of the gasses should be greater than what's known when produced through electrolysis. The latter (higher enthalpy), however, may come about alternatively if portions of these gases as fuel come from the surrounding air. If that's the case then we're not dealing with an OU machine although its practical application may be significant. One may also speculate that somehow the timing is favorable, despite abiding COE both on the side of electrolysis and on the side of the internal combustion engine but is violated overall. However, if that's the case then this can be achieved with other fuels as well, unless the motor causing the gas to be produced and returned back to the engine is some kind of a feedback similar to what we're looking for in thegravity and magnetic devices. What are your thoughts on these matters?

EDIT: I agree with @markdansie that what is shown in the video needs an independent verification, as any OU device does.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 08:10:51 PM »
Stefan quote:

I will visit them early in 2011
and will have a close look into it.
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HHMMmm...................
Seems like Stefan has an invite Mark?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 08:28:58 PM »
@CHET
Yes I wish Stephan well. I also know people who had invites (this video is months old) and even appointments but were brushed of at the lat minute.....especially any mention of analysis of exhaust gases (you cant hide carbon lol)
They went very quiet for a while and were moving to new facilities and appeared to have found some substantial funding, however why now do they post the video public????
They were also more than less kind to Stephan in the past.
What is of most interest to me. to run an ICE with HHo thyey would need 4 times the output efficency they have now. Even with the engine modifications they would have to break so many well established laws it does not add up.
I suuspect they are introducing amonia or some other hydro carbons...but alas I am speculating
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 09:40:35 PM »
Mark Quote:

I suspect they are introducing amonia or some other hydro carbons...but alas I am speculating
Mark
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[I corrected one "typo" [for Wilby;:-}]

@Mark,
I suppose we can do the Scrub a Dub with the exhaust?
As long as we're using "water as fuel" [and a smidge of this and that].

Chet

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2010, 12:02:23 AM »
@ Mark,
Do you have any knowledge of the eleven replications of water fog and HHO gensets running in Patrick Kelly's eBook?? Hopefully one of them might be up for a visit.
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2010, 12:18:54 AM »
I tend to agree with Mark on this one.  There are many things here that do not ring true.

1)  Those high revving two stroke gensets require a high volume of HHO/any 'gas' fuel to be produced to sustain operation.  That particular cell is not big enough nor is it being delivered the adequate amount of amps to generate sufficient gas volume.  Common sense dictates that this last comment be true otherwise the genset would not be able to run the load.
2)  Running a ICE inside a building is proof of NOTHING.  For those of you familiar with GEET technology, even running air vapor through a water/gasoline mix (as Mark suggests) will produce VERY clean exhaust (but still with the telltale hydrocarbons).  The exhaust is cleaner due to the 'water injection' and has a twofold effect of increasing the octane level (if gasoline used) hence burning the fuel more efficiently and secondly having a anti detonant effect.

You have to calm down and see past the bulldust here.  I believe what they actually are doing is putting a very small amount of alcohol based fuel (like Ethanol) in the water bubbler.  Normally, less than 50/50 mixture and the engine definitely wont start AND this mix requires heating first if you don't have a geet reactor attached.  However, IF you were to make this mix say 80% water and 20% Ethanol and then supplement the air intake with HHO, this will be more than sufficient to generate an overall enriched 'combination vapor' where the engine would run extremely efficiently.

If what Mark states is true (about these folk refusing exhaust analysis), I almost 100% guarantee this is what they are doing.  They are probably waiting for a gullible investor that doesnt insist on tests so that they can continue with the HHO research which is a LONG way from self running by itself.

That's it.

E-Goose

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2010, 01:23:22 AM »
Breaking the Enslaving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5DCzBry5A

Turn up your volume !

Enjoy !

Happy Christmas to ALL !

Best regards, Stefan.


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2010, 01:58:23 AM »
Breaking the Enslaving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5DCzBry5A

Turn up your volume !

Enjoy !

Happy Christmas to ALL !

Best regards, Stefan.

Oh dear me....  Is the desire to believe that bad that you forgo all reasoning???

Takes more than a silly youtube video with 'feelgood' soundtrack to convice me.  Show the blueprints, submit to testing/peer review and not some flakey video of running a motor inside a room.  I can do that now with the method explained earlier (and more).

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2010, 02:11:20 AM »
Where can we order this Anton Cell ?  :)


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2010, 02:52:55 AM »
This is not a high revving two stroke engine.   It plainly shows OHV on the engine cover and timing gears to get rid of waste spark on a four cycle engine.  I want to believe til proven otherwise.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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